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  • Mr. Security
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    Jimmy Hat

    Unless the member who started this thread worded his question in such a manner that he preferred replies only from armed officers, then Hotel Security has as much right to post his opinion as you do.

    Your own words convict you of having a short fuse when you feel strongly about a matter. Rather than being puffed up with pride about being a tough guy who can take on anyone, why not work on self-control. It doesn't take any strength to lash out at someone; but it does require strength to maintain control in the face of adversity.

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  • rentacop
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    Holy Crap!!!

    All this because I asked what kinds of questions might be asked in an interview?

    Did anyone even reply with an answer? I was too busy TAKING COVER! lol

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    Originally posted by hrdickinson
    Jimmy,
    I joined this forum to help people, be helped, educate and learn.
    Why are you wasting your time here. You should be running for congress?
    Originally posted by hrdickinson
    Your response, in my opinion, was over the edge and confrontational.
    Absolutely correct. I was hoping someone here would recognize my true talents. BTW, those traits have kinda kept me alive over the years, forgive me if I don't apologize for it.
    Originally posted by hrdickinson
    I have never had a weapon pointed at me and I'm not sure how I would respond if I did.
    Well then, you are truly missing out. it's better than a roller-coaster. Especially when you have the means, ability and fortitude to respond-in-kind. better than sex (don't tell my chic I said that.)
    Originally posted by hrdickinson
    Also for the record, I am a political conservative but Jimmy, I have to say, if I was confronted with a situation where I required the help of someone carrying a weapon, I would hope that person was rational.
    Then you definitely don't want me covering your six. I'm irrational as hell. I've always been good at checkers, though. Will that and a good cover letter get me hired with your "observe and do nothing" company?
    Originally posted by hrdickinson
    In addition Jimmyhat, I don't appreciate the threats and if I were you, I would be very cautious in choosing a debate opponent!
    You'll know if I make a threat.


    "From this day to the ending of the world,

    But we in it shall be remember'd;

    We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;

    For he to-day that sheds his blood with me

    Shall be my brother; " William Shakespeare
    Last edited by jimmyhat; 11-07-2006, 07:11 AM.

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  • hrdickinson
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    In addition Jimmyhat, I don't appreciate the threats and if I were you, I would be very cautious in choosing a debate opponent!

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  • hrdickinson
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    Jimmy,

    I joined this forum to help people, be helped, educate and learn. A member of this forum asked for some advice and HotelSecurity was kind enough to respond with some intelligent and insightful advice. Your response, in my opinion, was over the edge and confrontational. For the record, my comment about the coffee and a hair trigger were made tongue-in-cheek.

    I have never had a weapon pointed at me and I'm not sure how I would respond if I did (maybe that's because people know better). I do, however, appreciate those that have and that do.

    Also for the record, I am a political conservative but Jimmy, I have to say, if I was confronted with a situation where I required the help of someone carrying a weapon, I would hope that person was rational.

    Let's get back to the spirit of the forum.

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  • Guest's Avatar
    Guest replied
    Originally posted by HotelSecurity
    I still wonder if there is an error in your bio. Ir says you were born January 1, 1915!
    Yep. Old as dirt!

    Be safe, Ranger.

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  • HotelSecurity
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    Jimmyhat

    There is definitly no hard feelings. I love debating. I'm not into horoscopes etc but I was born March 25 which makes me an Aries & yes I do like to butt heads

    I've been doing hotel security in Montreal since 1977. Almost as a hobby I read anything I possibly can about my profession. Before the internet came along I used to cut articles from newspapers. When something happened out of town I'd write to the newspaper & have them send me a copy. With all this past research I've only heard of ONE Canadian Hotel Security Officer being shot in all these years. Explains why I'm pro gun control.

    I still wonder if there is an error in your bio. Ir says you were born January 1, 1915!

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    Hair-Trigger, me? You're probably right. That comes from spending more than half my life carrying weapons, and stepping in front of bad guys when everyone else is running away.

    I don't work for you Dickinson, but you'd be damn fortunate if I did. I don't have to sell that unrealistic security table of organization that you call a business plan. This here is the real thing, the real world where people need real protection. Do you want to talk about the dynamics of real s/o's engaged in the business of actual community protection, or would you like to convince me that your company, with it's sit back and call the police attitude is making a difference in the community. I can't wait to crunch those numbers with you.!!!!

    Do you really want to get into this with me, hrdickinson, or is this just a late-night post against a proactive responder in which you feel the need to wax-heroic? Continue to observe and report, Troop, I'm sure you'll be just fine.

    Whatever you need, Ranger, I'm here to debate. Hotel and I are road marching together just fine. You want to get on the hard-ball? Go ahead and jump in. I'll be getting another cup of coffee.

    N. A., how's my Karma looking?
    Last edited by jimmyhat; 11-06-2006, 11:29 PM.

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  • hrdickinson
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    Originally posted by jimmyhat
    Rentacop,
    HotelSecurity,
    That individual has every right to be pro-gun in these forums. If you don't like it, don't read and respond to his posts.

    You seem to be biased against firearms. You have that right. But when you come here, take off you holier-than-thou badge and weigh in on the issues that you know about and not what you think should or shouldn't be discussed.
    Jimmyhat,

    You are right, he does have the right to be pro-gun in these forums. He even has the right to be pro-gun in a job interview...but he won't be hired. It boils down to business. Firearms represent a significant potential liability to business owners in the industry. In the armored car industry they are unavoidable but they certainly don't want a "Loose Cannon" out on the streets wearing their uniform.

    Hotel Security was clearly giving good advice on how to avoid giving the wrong impression.

    You might try cutting back on the coffee, you seem to have a hair trigger yourself.

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    That explains a lot, Hotel. Nowhere in that fascinating post did you mention armed robberies, MS-13/18th street gang fights, gang meetings, violent domestics, corrupt LEO's, home invasions and general everyday homicide. Oh yeah, some gangs in our zone have directives to harm/kill Security and Police as a means to advance in the group.

    All that, is probably why I came to the defense of Rentacop and charged your foxhole as aggressively as I did. I can't help it, it's my nature. I also work housing and train people to stay alive in a violent work environment by being aggressive and proactive. What can I say? It pays the rent!

    You have your job to do, Hotel, I respect that. You probably do much more than you get credit for, and I can appreciate that as well. After all, I am in the business.

    Be safe, Hotel, no hard feelings. Thanks for the debate. Think of something good for the next round.


    Originally posted by HotelSecurity
    P. S. I am not anti-gun. I am pro gun control. I don't want Nathan's 10 year old school kids that are being harassed by 16 year olds being able to get Daddies gun & take care of the problem!
    P. S. that's a great one. I want to arm all teachers in this country. that ought to get you thinking!!! Be safe, troop.

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  • HotelSecurity
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    Originally posted by jimmyhat

    I'll say it again: Rentacop, if you wanna' come here and talk firearms, please do so.

    Hotel, I'll be back here next week if you want to discuss "observing and reporting", or whatever it is that you do all day. I'm sure it's fascinating stuff!
    Jimmyhat we agree on something! Anyone who wants to discuss firearms I welcom with open arms. But lets not be chicken & do it through PMs. Let's be open so people that don't agree with us can freely express their opinions.

    As for what I do. Here is what I posted on another post asking this yesterday:

    I'm the Assistant Director of Security for 3 hotels but I also cover one of the shifts at the largest hotel.

    My day starts at 15h00. For incidents in an hotel this is the busiest time. During the day most of the guests are out. Overnight they are sleeping.

    The first part of my day is dealing with administration issues. Checking mail, e-mail & voice mail. Doing the payroll & the dreaded scheduling!

    I usually schedule meetings for 16h00.

    As the Maids leave for the day they turn in the items they have found in the rooms. They have to given an item number & recorded in the computer.

    The Maids turn in their key sets as they leave. All have to be accounted for & searched for if not turned in.

    In the 8 hour shift I usually can only squeeze in 2 top to bottom patrols. (25 story bulding). Fire extinguishers & sprinkler shut off valves are visually checked on every patrol. Maintenance is advised if something is not right, The Houseman & Room Service is called if things that people can trip over are left in the hallway. (Room Service trays etc).

    A we are completely responsible for the electronic lock system including repairing & replacing locks, a good part of my day is spent doing this. With 500 rooms there is always something preventive that needs to be doen.

    I am also responsible for the restocking & ordering supplies for the 4 first aid kits that belong to the hotel. (The 2 kitchens are concessions & have their own).

    We also have to inspect rooms where Maids have reported that there is still luggage inside but the guests were supposed to have departed. If they are not in the room & haven't paid for another night or haven't paid with a credit card we have to pass a new key card in their lock so their card will no longer work & they have to pass by the front desk when they return. If it is someone who we have had to chase to get payment we sometimes double lock the door. This prevents any key from working so even if an employee accidently makes them a new key card without checking that they owe us money, they can't get in the room until we remove the double lock.

    We respond to & take reports of all damage claims in the garage.

    Through out the shift we act as First Responders for all emergencies from disturbances to fire alarms to medical/accidents.

    We report to management all safety hazards & employees breaking regulations.

    During my shift I'm on call to give advice to the Duty Managers at the other 2 hotels. (We don't have 24 hour a day security at these 2 hotels.) If they have a lock problem that can't wait until the security comes in I have to try & direct them over the phone how to take care of it.

    I finish at the hotel at 23h00. Sometimes I stop by the pharmacy with the chip from the digital camera to have photos printed. I get home around midnight then I'm on call mainly to give advice to the Officers working overnight at the 3 hotels. We say that sometimes two heads are better than one! On a rare occasion I would have to go to one of the hotel for an emergency but usually it's enough just to give guidance over the phone.

    My boss takes over the on call duties at 05h00 but he hasn't done any shifts in the hotels in about 10 years now so I'm still woken up once in a while to deal with something like "where is the key to open x door". Otherwide I sleep from 05h00 to 13h00 .

    I think that's my day!

    I don't think this is observing & reporting.

    See you next week, you will not be able to get rid of me

    P.S. I am not anti-gun. I am pro gun control. I don't want Nathan's 10 year old school kids that are being harrassed by 16 year olds being able to get Daddies gun & take care of the problem!

    Just a question: Are you really born January 1, 1915?
    Last edited by HotelSecurity; 11-06-2006, 08:55 PM.

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    I'm gonna' have to disengage, I forgot what the hell it is I was arguing about!

    I'll say it again: Rentacop, if you wanna' come here and talk firearms, please do so.
    If you want to avoid Hotel and his "prime directives" against the issue, send me a PM. I'll talk shop with you all day.

    Hotel, I'll be back here next week if you want to discuss "observing and reporting", or whatever it is that you do all day. I'm sure it's fascinating stuff!

    N. A., how's my Karma looking?

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  • HotelSecurity
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    [QUOTE=jimmyhatRentacop came here for support too. If you're an anti-gunner, and you don't have advice for the man embarking on his armed career, then butt-out. Us gun-nuts will drive on with our discussion, and we'll try not to miss you very much.
    [/QUOTE]

    He did not come here for support. He came here for advice. And where do you get off telling me that if I don't agree with your point of view I should butt-out? Canada like the US is a free country. We are supposed to support dialogue not suppress it. We can disagree with someone but should never tell the person to shut up.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Why do you want to work here?

    Why should I hire you? Why should I invest time and energy into you?

    The second one is very advisarial, and a warning sign, btw.

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  • rentacop
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    Wow com'on guys... No need to fight.

    I read the interview tips and yes they are helpful but I am curious about what kinds of questions you have been asked or have asked for an armed guard AND unarmed guard. I have several years experience unarmed and several years experience as a bouncer for night clubs (still security right).

    All I am wondering is what can I expect to be asked...

    As for being Pro-Gun... Sure I am but I'm not a trigger happy person... I come from a small town of population 200 people. We had guns, lots of them, and hunting was a way of life. On my 13th birthday my dad gave me a 12ga pump action and a 14ga break. I've also lived in the Southen States and we had a 9mm in the glovebox of our pickup truck.

    I like guns, that isnt a crime, I dislike gun violence which is the crime.

    There we have it... Anyone happen to remember any questions they were asked in the interview process?

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