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    Hey everyone im new here and got a couple of questions. I didnt know what to type under search and checked a couple of pages and didnt see anything relating to my question. If anyone can direct me to a web site and tell me that would be great. As my title says under what circumstance can i use handcuffs if someone does something illigal on my site im guarding.

    Are there certain laws stating that i can only apply handcuffs in certain instances?

    Also am i correct in saying that i am aloud to search them if i have reasonable grounds or do i have to wait for the police?

    I am from Ottawa so anyone that is familiar with our Laws that can guide me somewhere or answer my question would be very appriciated

    Thanks.

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    Originally posted by Chemical
    Hey everyone im new here and got a couple of questions. I didnt know what to type under search and checked a couple of pages and didnt see anything relating to my question. If anyone can direct me to a web site and tell me that would be great. As my title says under what circumstance can i use handcuffs if someone does something illigal on my site im guarding.

    Are there certain laws stating that i can only apply handcuffs in certain instances?

    Also am i correct in saying that i am aloud to search them if i have reasonable grounds or do i have to wait for the police?

    I am from Ottawa so anyone that is familiar with our Laws that can guide me somewhere or answer my question would be very appriciated

    Thanks.
    Wow, get a hold of one of these Canadian members here.. there are a few. I cant honestly answer this one, in a way that will benefit you. Different country, different laws.

    In the US, and a good selection of states, laws pertaining to the Use of Hand Restraints, follow that proper and certifiable training has been conducted, and the Officer has received certification in this. After this, the use of restraints is for the effect of an arrest. WHy you use them is where you will be scrutinized. You need to be able to articule that it is for the reason of safety... Safety for you, safety for the arrested subject, and safety of those around you.

    Someone who is completely comliant, has not committed a harmful crime, such as fraud, and generally shows no signs of threat in any manner.. I wouldnt place them in restraints. I would check for weapons, as search laws for security in the US state that searches on persons for weapons only can be conducted. It really depends on how safe you wish to be. You place them on a subject to make sure you will not be hurt or in danger, or that the subject doesnt go and hurt himself/herself, or others around.

    I tend to not want to place them on the minor offenses if the person is not displaying warning signs or has a history, and the crime is not grevious. Petty offenses, such as loitering or mallingering, but theft, assault, harrasment, and so on, I would, as I dont want to be hurt (and so on). As for theft or shoplifting, it also prevents ditching of merchandise or stashing, as well as any evading.

    Check out the members section here, and PM one from Canada.. they could probably help out alot more!
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    • #3
      I'm from Ottawa, if anyone has questions...

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      • #4
        Well bigshotceo can you answer my question or do you want to go through PM's
        As Mall Director was saying i would only use restraints if i felt my health or the health of the workers and petients where i work are in danger or if i have him sat down and talking to him waiting for police and he decides to try and flee.

        I will be receiving Pressure Points, Speed Cuffing, ASP Baton and Weapon disarming and retention training from my Jui Jitsu Sensai. So i will be certified in PPCT.

        I asked my work if they offer training and they said no. I assume they don't want us having handcuffs which i understand depending on what sites you are guarding. I am at the Hospital so i think i should have the right to carry them without having to be worried about getting fired.

        I want to become a Ottawa Police Officer one day. And need to know more about the laws since i took Computers instead in College (/Bonk self on head)

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        • #5
          IMO.. Hospital Security definately need hand restraints, as well as other restraint devices.. I know what goes on down there, and how bad it can get.. I heard the stories, and if they are true.. I dont think any Security Officer who works in a hospital should go without.. Its dangerous in a hospital! People, drugs, sharp items, crazies.. you name it.. Good luck!!
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          • #6
            Ya the Hospitals that im at is not an emergency hospital anymore its mainly for day surgeries, clinic's and Hemodialysis. So its very rare that we see anyone violent or anything like that. But even still it's better to be prepared than not.

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            • #7
              Ok, first thing's first. If your company does not want you carrying equipment, then you do not "have the right" to do so. That's a termination offense, blatant disregard for company policy, in most companies.

              Everything you do or say in that uniform places the company in a position of liability along with you.

              Also, a martial arts instructor is teaching LE DT courses such as ASP and handcuffing? Is he certified in those concepts by a recongizable industry trainer such as the ASP Master Instructor Program?
              Some Kind of Commando Leader

              "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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              • #8
                My best advice is this: don't carry handcuffs. There's a LOT of legal liability involved, and things can go bad very quickly. From what it sounds, if somthong happened and you were sued or criminally charged your company would abandon you. If your company isn't going to provide you with the equipment and training you need, they are the ones who will be at fault if you aren't prepared in an emergency.

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                • #9
                  Chemical
                  If you are working in a hospital I have to disagree with some of the other posters, my stand is handcuffs are a bad idea, when you have a suspect that is fighting you (based of mental illness or drugs) then you dont want to risk cutting up there wrist, now that is not to say that those SWAT zip tie restraints are a bad idea, if your company goes for it, you may want to give R. Nichols a shout they have all kinds of nifty restraints, be carefull taking handcuff and asp training from a martial arts instructor they more often then not are not familier with the demands of security and law enforcement (dont get me wrong I did Okinawa goju ryu and Yamanaka ha Aiki Ju jutsu for 6 years) but I still had to adapt what I learned for suspect control use.

                  stay safe
                  ben Wallace

                  PS-I am also in Ottawa

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Chemical
                    I want to become a Ottawa Police Officer one day. And need to know more about the laws since i took Computers instead in College (/Bonk self on head)
                    I think you need to bonk yourself on the head once more. If you use force without having been trained in the proper techniques and legal ramifications of such use BY A CERTIFIED TRAINER and/or carry or use equipment that has not been authorized by your employer (handcuffs, batons, etc.) you will never be a police officer.

                    I never recommend that anyone interested in police work become a security guard first. Security work very rarely prepares a person for police work. Instead of working security I suggest joining the military, but do not become an MP. Most of the cops I currently work with are former MP's (US Armed Forces) from each branch of the service and they all agree that most of what they learned as MP's was of no use to them as civilian cops.

                    I also recommend going to college, but in you said you had some college. Taking Criminal Justice/Police Science/Administration of Justice (whatever they are calling it these days) is also a bad idea. What will happen if you never get hired as a cop? Then that CJ degree you paid good money for is pretty worthless. It is better to get a degree in something like Business Management, Public Administration, or the like. This way you have something to fall back on. Also, take a look at most police chiefs in the USA. They mostly have Master's Degrees, and not in CJ. They usually have business degrees. Just some food for thought.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by histfan71
                      I also recommend going to college, but in you said you had some college. Taking Criminal Justice/Police Science/Administration of Justice (whatever they are calling it these days) is also a bad idea. What will happen if you never get hired as a cop? Then that CJ degree you paid good money for is pretty worthless. It is better to get a degree in something like Business Management, Public Administration, or the like. This way you have something to fall back on. Also, take a look at most police chiefs in the USA. They mostly have Master's Degrees, and not in CJ. They usually have business degrees. Just some food for thought.
                      I'd add psychology, politics and "communications" to that list (of what not to do) as well, they look good from the outside when deciding what to major in, but in reality, they aren't. Public Admin or Business/management is the way to go
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                      • #12
                        I'm not sure that a security position won't help you in LE. I think that depends on the type of security you do. As far as using handcuffs, I certainly agree with the members who have cautioned you not to do so. Moreover, hospital or medical facilities prefer soft restraints to handcuffs for obvious reasons. Exceptions might include unruly visitors and those who threaten with a weapon.

                        I also like the points made regarding education. You will be expected to write many reports as a police officer. Verbal, writing, and keyboard skills will help you handle your caseload effectively and efficently. Management/people skills will also be vital to advancing in a supervisory capacity.
                        Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                        • #13
                          Ya i don't want to cause any legal issues with my work. I'm going to have to talk to them and maybe the will approve of me carrying them since it is a hospital. We just recently aquired the contract for the Hospital so there policy may change on Handcuff's.

                          If something ever did happen im not that big of a guy only 5'6 155lbs so theres only so much i can do to restrain someone untill police arrive thats why i was curious.

                          I know some security positions aren't the greatest for experience in joing LE like working at a construction site and things like that. I'm glad im at the Hospital it gives me good interaction with people and knowledge of security procedures.

                          Here in Ottawa as im sure everywhere else has a High Tech Devision and my Computer degree would benieft in that area which is good. The Ottawa Police don't require you to have a degree in Police Foundations or any other degree similar as they have Police College once you get hired.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Chemical
                            Ya i don't want to cause any legal issues with my work. I'm going to have to talk to them and maybe the will approve of me carrying them since it is a hospital. We just recently aquired the contract for the Hospital so there policy may change on Handcuff's.

                            If something ever did happen im not that big of a guy only 5'6 155lbs so theres only so much i can do to restrain someone untill police arrive thats why i was curious.

                            I know some security positions aren't the greatest for experience in joing LE like working at a construction site and things like that. I'm glad im at the Hospital it gives me good interaction with people and knowledge of security procedures.

                            Here in Ottawa as im sure everywhere else has a High Tech Devision and my Computer degree would benieft in that area which is good. The Ottawa Police don't require you to have a degree in Police Foundations or any other degree similar as they have Police College once you get hired.
                            A big guy could also take the cuffs and beat you w/them. You MUST have training in takedowns and proper cuffing technique to avoid being a victim.
                            Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mr. Security
                              A big guy could also take the cuffs and beat you w/them. You MUST have training in takedowns and proper cuffing technique to avoid being a victim.
                              Ya thats why im in Jiu Jitsu and getting my Sensai which is a certified trainer in PPCT to certify me.

                              I hope i never have to deal with something like this cause since its a very small Hospital/Clinic there are only 2 guards on duty and which 1 is in room watching the fire panel and the other is doing patrols. But i atleast want to be prepared and equiped if such an incedent happens.

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