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  • #16
    Originally posted by Jackhole
    That's mostly what I was worried about. The time may come in the near future where I might be Tasered and I heard they were a barbed needle-like probe. All I could picture was a big fish-hook barb that would tear my skin open as they were pulled out.

    I just watched some videos on YouTube and it looks like the barbs will be the least of my worries. Any idea how long the electricity goes for? It looks to be about 5 seconds. Is the time adjustable?
    It depends on the model. The older gun looking ones are "pull and it goes." The smaller ones that they sell (X26) go for a five second cycle. Pull the trigger, it counts down from 5. However, turn the safety (power switch) to off, and it cuts the current.

    The citizen X26 goes for 10 seconds at a time, and a double trigger pull goes for 30 - to allow the victim time to run away after double tapping the attacker with the taser.

    If you're getting certified with the X26 (LE Model), it can be anywhere from 1-5 seconds. Citizen model? Pray that they turn it off after at least 5. M18 variants? Its however long they pull the trigger, unit doesn't tell you how long its on for in a display.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
      It depends on the model. The older gun looking ones are "pull and it goes." The smaller ones that they sell (X26) go for a five second cycle. Pull the trigger, it counts down from 5. However, turn the safety (power switch) to off, and it cuts the current.

      The citizen X26 goes for 10 seconds at a time, and a double trigger pull goes for 30 - to allow the victim time to run away after double tapping the attacker with the taser.

      If you're getting certified with the X26 (LE Model), it can be anywhere from 1-5 seconds. Citizen model? Pray that they turn it off after at least 5. M18 variants? Its however long they pull the trigger, unit doesn't tell you how long its on for in a display.
      Thanks for the info.

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      • #18
        Taser Practice

        Personally, I question the wisdom of tasing people for practice, experience, or whatever you choose to call it. There are plenty of videotaped subjects being tased to understand the ramifications of it. Electric pulses generated by the autonomic system of our bodies regulate the heart. There is no need to subject that system to the shock of a taser unless it's being used to stop a criminal. Then the benefit outweighs the risk. I don’t see that benefit when the device is administered simply for training. My advice: Don't allow yourself to be tased. If required by an employer, have your PCP excuse you from the exercise.
        Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Mr. Security
          If required by an employer, have your PCP excuse you from the exercise.
          In many jobs, that doctor's note would not only excuse you from Taser training, but it would excuse you from employment.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Jackhole
            In many jobs, that doctor's note would not only excuse you from Taser training, but it would excuse you from employment.
            Then get one from your attorney. You'd be surprised at how the thought of litigation over such a matter can persuade them to see the light. Either way, I'd rather lose the job than submit to being tased.
            Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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            • #21
              I agree with Mr. Security 100%. Like I posted somewhere else, we don't have to be shot to learn what a bullet can do
              I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
              Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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              • #22
                I haven't read all the pages of discussion, but I believe that if you are required to carry OC Spray or a taser, you should be subjected to how they act.

                We are not talking about lethel weapons. I carry OC Spray and when I was trained, I was sprayed. Now I spray someone, I know what they are going through. These are non lethel uses of force - you will not die (well hopefully not). You do not have to shoot someone to know what happens, but you do have to spend considerable time on the shooting range, using your weapon of choice. The same holds true for OC and Tasers. You must use them and train with them.

                With handcuffs, you dont just watch a video and BAM you are the king of cuffs. No, you practice with them, use them on other guards etc.

                Don't know if that came out right, but I don't see any problems with being tased as a requirement of the job. I see both side though.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Mr. Security
                  Then get one from your attorney. You'd be surprised at how the thought of litigation over such a matter can persuade them to see the light. Either way, I'd rather lose the job than submit to being tased.
                  I wish the world were as easy and "black and white" as some people make it out to be.

                  If you're working for a PD and refuse to be tased, you'll get your walking papers.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Jackhole
                    I wish the world were as easy and "black and white" as some people make it out to be.

                    If you're working for a PD and refuse to be tased, you'll get your walking papers.
                    I understand what you're saying about a PD position, and I agree that a candidate likely would be disqualified for not submitting to the training regimen. An exception might be with a veteran officer who has been on the force long before "taser" was a common LE term.

                    Security, on the other hand, is not as rigid as most PD departments. Most security officers don't have their heart set on working for one particular company. Police officers often DO want to get hired with a particular department and may not get another offer if they buck the system.

                    Personally, I will NOT submit to any training requirement that involves a direct hit w/ OC and/or mace, nor will I undergo a taser hit. Period..
                    Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                    • #25
                      With our strict health & safety laws in Quebec I think a police recruit could challenge a requirement that he had to be sprayed or zapped to be hired & would probably win. (Of course the police department would probably think of another reason to say why they would not hire him).
                      I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
                      Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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                      • #26
                        Getting tased was totally voluntary. I'd say just over half of us actually volunteered. I just did it so i could get my little taser pin to put on my uniform.

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                        • #27
                          Not only should people who use Tasers be tased, but EVERY person (police security or whatever) who carrys a firearm should have to be Tased. And it should be video taped.

                          Why? the First reason (concerning armed persons and criminal liability) is Because when you carry a gun, every fight is a gun fight.

                          The reason we were OC sprayed when I was in the Police Academy (and when i underwent Level 4 "personal protection officer" training back when i was just starting out and wanted to be a "bodyguard" lol, i've taken the hit twice so far) was very simple. To cover your butt if and when you had to drop someone who was threatening you with that kind of weapon.

                          If you get sprayed with OC, or especially if you get Tased, you cannot protect your weapon reasonably. That noT only puts you at risk, it puts innocent people at risk as well. This justifys your use of Deadly force in certain situations BEFORE THIS CAN HAPPEN because you CAN'T take the chance that you'll be incapacitated while you are carrying a gun.

                          Note: it's only a situational justification. You can't justify shooting someone if theRE are 10 of you and the subject only sprays one of you guys lol. But alone in an isolated area at night against someone carrying such a weapon, you can justify it.

                          That's where the video taped evidence of the fact that you'd be incapacitated comes in. It's proof that will stand up in Court/a grand jury.

                          The Second reason mostly applies to S/Os who are unarmed except for the Taser, and is more Civil Liability related. Taking the hit and having it video taped proves that you specifically know what happens to someone when they get hit with that particular weapon. Without that, a good lawyer representing someone who is suing you civilly could argue that "you subjected my client to painful and unneeded violence that you yourself have never experianced. how do you know the affects of the thing you are using, you never had it used on YOU".

                          Silly as that sounds, it could happen. Taking the hit is a defense against criminal and civil liability, for you, and your employer.

                          Edit: sorry for the Typos, keyborad dying......
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                          Last edited by Black Caesar; 10-09-2006, 04:22 AM.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Black Caesar
                            Not only should people who use Tasers be tased, but EVERY person (police security or whatever) who carrys a firearm should have to be Tased. And it should be video taped.

                            Why? the First reason (concerning armed persons and criminal liability) is Because when you carry a gun, every fight is a gun fight.

                            The reason we were OC sprayed when I was in the Police Academy (and when i underwent Level 4 "personal protection officer" training back when i was just starting out and wanted to be a "bodyguard" lol, i've taken the hit twice so far) was very simple. To cover your butt if and when you had to drop someone who was threatening you with that kind of weapon.

                            If you get sprayed with OC, or especially if you get Tased, you cannot protect your weapon reasonably. That noT only puts you at risk, it puts innocent people at risk as well. This justifys your use of Deadly force in certain situations BEFORE THIS CAN HAPPEN because you CAN'T take the chance that you'll be incapacitated while you are carrying a gun.

                            Note: it's only a situational justification. You can't justify shooting someone if theRE are 10 of you and the subject only sprays one of you guys lol. But alone in an isolated area at night against someone carrying such a weapon, you can justify it.

                            That's where the video taped evidence of the fact that you'd be incapacitated comes in. It's proof that will stand up in Court/a grand jury.

                            The Second reason mostly applies to S/Os who are unarmed except for the Taser, and is more Civil Liability related. Taking the hit and having it video taped proves that you specifically know what happens to someone when they get hit with that particular weapon. Without that, a good lawyer representing someone who is suing you civilly could argue that "you subjected my client to painful and unneeded violence that you yourself have never experianced. how do you know the affects of the thing you are using, you never had it used on YOU".

                            Silly as that sounds, it could happen. Taking the hit is a defense against criminal and civil liability, for you, and your employer.
                            Good post. Next time I am hit with OC or Taser for certification purposes, I am going to see to it that it is taped so I may use it for just that. Never thought of that before.
                            "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
                            "The Curve" 1998

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                            • #29
                              we were all video taped for just that reason.

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                              • #30
                                I am curious... I am Taser, baton, Mace, and Cuff cert. I am trying to secure a posistion with one of my surrounding counties Sheriff's dept. Will I have to take a hit again, or will my Cert. card be good enough?
                                "What if this is as good as it gets?" ~ Melvin Udall

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