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    An isolated incident or poor security - what do you think?
    Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

  • #2
    Any news link to this?
    "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
    "The Curve" 1998

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    • #3
      Originally posted by BHR Lawson
      Any news link to this?
      See article, Securityinfowatch; Home page.
      Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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      • #4
        Straight up...WOW.. I never thought a person could ever get that far. I would have figured that you would be dead as a rock by the time you hit the gates with gun fire.. WOW!
        Deputy Sheriff

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mall Director
          Straight up...WOW.. I never thought a person could ever get that far. I would have figured that you would be dead as a rock by the time you hit the gates with gun fire.. WOW!
          The acting chief tried to put a positive spin on it, but I still think some heads are gonna roll.
          Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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          • #6
            So do I. I found this on digg...

            http://www.nwfdailynews.com/articleA...edintruder.php

            WASHINGTON (AP) - An armed man who ran through the U.S. Capitol this week was stopped by civilian employees, not police officers, authorities said Friday, reversing course in what was already an embarrassing security breach.

            Carlos Greene, 20, was arrested Monday after allegedly crashing an SUV into a police cruiser, then darting into the Capitol armed with a handgun. Following the arrest, acting Capitol Police Chief Christopher McGaffin said his officers subdued Greene outside a basement office that distributes flags to lawmakers.

            Federal prosecutors added details to the story Tuesday, saying an officer stopped Greene at the point of a shotgun, and only after Greene tried to grab the gun.

            On Friday, Capitol Police said unarmed employees of the flag office had stopped Greene seconds before officers arrived.

            "It was the civilians who did have him corralled or subdued," said Sgt. Kimberly Schneider, a spokeswoman. "We were hot on his trail. We just didn't get there in time."

            She said Greene may not have been trying to grab the gun from police and may only have been trying to push it away.

            The new details won't affect the criminal case against Greene, who is charged with being a felon in possession of a firearm, but they add a new blemish for police in a case that lawmakers have already criticized.

            Schneider called the security breach unacceptable and said police are reviewing procedures to ensure it can't happen again. Lawmakers also have said they want to review the incident and find out what went wrong.

            It was the worst security breach since the 1998 shooting deaths of two Capitol police officers. In that case, a man with a history of mental illness ran through a first-floor door of the Capitol, shot to death one officer at the door and another inside the adjacent office of then-Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas.

            Security has increased significantly since that event and the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

            Schneider praised the "valiant efforts" of the civilians but said police still recommend people call them rather than getting involved in security threats.
            Some Kind of Commando Leader

            "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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            • #7
              What about his.... MacDill Airbase! Home of Central Command! Teens drive past armed access point. Not to mention going around zig zag barriers, and made it almost to the other side of the complex!

              The news media take...
              http://www.tbo.com/news/metro/MGBRTP3ZDSE.html


              The local papers take....
              http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.d...73257750911155


              The Military's take....
              http://www.military.com/NewsContent/...114499,00.html
              My views, opinions and statements are my own. They are not of my company, affiliates or coworkers.

              -Being bagger at Publix has more respect these days

              -It's just a job kid deal with it

              -The industry needs to do one of two things; stop fiddling with the thin line and go forward or go back to that way it was. A flashlight in one hand and your set of keys in the other

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              • #8
                Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
                So do I. I found this on digg...

                http://www.nwfdailynews.com/articleA...edintruder.php

                WASHINGTON (AP) - An armed man who ran through the U.S. Capitol this week was stopped by civilian employees, not police officers, authorities said Friday, reversing course in what was already an embarrassing security breach.

                Carlos Greene, 20, was arrested Monday after allegedly crashing an SUV into a police cruiser, then darting into the Capitol armed with a handgun. Following the arrest, acting Capitol Police Chief Christopher McGaffin said his officers subdued Greene outside a basement office that distributes flags to lawmakers.

                Federal prosecutors added details to the story Tuesday, saying an officer stopped Greene at the point of a shotgun, and only after Greene tried to grab the gun.

                On Friday, Capitol Police said unarmed employees of the flag office had stopped Greene seconds before officers arrived.

                "It was the civilians who did have him corralled or subdued," said Sgt. Kimberly Schneider, a spokeswoman. "We were hot on his trail. We just didn't get there in time."

                She said Greene may not have been trying to grab the gun from police and may only have been trying to push it away.

                The new details won't affect the criminal case against Greene, who is charged with being a felon in possession of a firearm, but they add a new blemish for police in a case that lawmakers have already criticized.

                Schneider called the security breach unacceptable and said police are reviewing procedures to ensure it can't happen again. Lawmakers also have said they want to review the incident and find out what went wrong.

                It was the worst security breach since the 1998 shooting deaths of two Capitol police officers. In that case, a man with a history of mental illness ran through a first-floor door of the Capitol, shot to death one officer at the door and another inside the adjacent office of then-Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas.

                Security has increased significantly since that event and the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

                Schneider praised the "valiant efforts" of the civilians but said police still recommend people call them rather than getting involved in security threats.
                Of course. Let the "professionals" handle it, the same ones who botched it to begin with. Stupid civilians - what good are they.
                Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Echos13
                  What about his.... MacDill Airbase! Home of Central Command! Teens drive past armed access point. Not to mention going around zig zag barriers, and made it almost to the other side of the complex!

                  The news media take...
                  http://www.tbo.com/news/metro/MGBRTP3ZDSE.html


                  The local papers take....
                  http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.d...73257750911155


                  The Military's take....
                  http://www.military.com/NewsContent/...114499,00.html
                  The last guy who was DUI had so many .223 rounds in the car that they stopped counting. He tried to ram the Dale Mabry gate. They let him through, TPD stopped DEAD at the gate, cause 6th SF was after his ass with the .50 BMGs. They noted that he would not of breached SOCOM because of a little thing called an AT-4.

                  What happened? Are 6th SF so afraid (maybe rightly, look at the mil.com discussion boards) of engaging "non-combatants" that they'll let perimeter breaches?

                  What if TPD was chasing two kids who in actuality were loaded to bear ala Columbine and hated "the military?"
                  Some Kind of Commando Leader

                  "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
                    The last guy who was DUI had so many .223 rounds in the car that they stopped counting. He tried to ram the Dale Mabry gate. They let him through, TPD stopped DEAD at the gate, cause 6th SF was after his ass with the .50 BMGs. They noted that he would not of breached SOCOM because of a little thing called an AT-4.

                    What happened? Are 6th SF so afraid (maybe rightly, look at the mil.com discussion boards) of engaging "non-combatants" that they'll let perimeter breaches?

                    What if TPD was chasing two kids who in actuality were loaded to bear ala Columbine and hated "the military?"
                    It's just like that nowadays I guess, the military establishment is weary of bad publicity involving citizens, and this can make even military security forces gun shy, until there is a successful attack that is...

                    As for The Capital security breah, what does anyone expect from the Capitol Police? Their moral is in the toilet, their turnover is almost as high as the Border Patrol's (they lose lots of officers to local PDs that pay more and that don't breath down their necks every second of every day) and every day they have to deal with the Lords of the Universe...I mean congress (ie people who can actually physically assault them and not go to jail.....) among other problems.

                    I read a blog by an ex-Capitol police officer once where he said (paraphrasing, it's been about 2 years since I read it) "you could have a guy with a gun in one hand, a nuclear suitcase bomb in the other, wearing a T-shirt saying "Al-Queda 4 life" and yelling Allah Ahkbar as he charges the entrance and someone would still have "problems" with us using dealy force against him". i laughed for a good minute when I read that. I figured it was over the top by a frustrated Ex-officer, but working in a College environment with "Ivory Tower Intellectuals" everywhere, well I could relate lol.

                    Maybe if they stopped running police chiefs away......
                    ~Black Caesar~
                    Corbier's Commandos

                    " "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

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                    • #11
                      If some drunk can crash into the White House lawn then so can a terror suspect. I certainly do not feel more secure now than I did five years ago.

                      There are those who believe they should look the other way when these things happen. They have the mindset that if you give a bad guy what he wants he will go away, ala Stephen King novel, and convince the public of this. How else could two skinny guys with box cutters take over an entire passenger jet and only encounter massive resistance from those on board in one of those cases, too little too late?

                      Also, when it does happen who do the political leaders blame? The responders, of course. Where were they when this incident happened? What it seems we have now instead of better preparation, better staffing, and better retention of public safety professionals is quite the opposite. More demands, more furor, higher turnover rate, and little or no better actual preparation. The mindset remains the same: "It won't happen to us. We're the mighty U.S.A." We are ignoring the threats from outside the country and embracing conflicts from within. This whole theme certainly resembles the fall of Rome to me.
                      "We appreciate all the hard work you've done, the dedicated hours you have worked, and the lives you have saved. However, since this is your third time being late to work, we are terminating your employment here."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 1stWatch
                        If some drunk can crash into the White House lawn then so can a terror suspect. I certainly do not feel more secure now than I did five years ago.

                        There are those who believe they should look the other way when these things happen. They have the mindset that if you give a bad guy what he wants he will go away, ala Stephen King novel, and convince the public of this. How else could two skinny guys with box cutters take over an entire passenger jet and only encounter massive resistance from those on board in one of those cases, too little too late?
                        Also, when it does happen who do the political leaders blame? The responders, of course. Where were they when this incident happened? What it seems we have now instead of better preparation, better staffing, and better retention of public safety professionals is quite the opposite. More demands, more furor, higher turnover rate, and little or no better actual preparation. The mindset remains the same: "It won't happen to us. We're the mighty U.S.A." We are ignoring the threats from outside the country and embracing conflicts from within. This whole theme certainly resembles the fall of Rome to me.
                        In all fairness to those victims, investigations have revealed that there were several "muscle" terrorists on board whose sole purpose was to overpower any resistance to the takeover. Pepper spray was also employed to keep passengers at bay. Since SOP during a hijack situation was to cooperate until negotiations or a SWAT team could intervene on the tarmac, the crew and passengers acted as they were trained to do.

                        By the time flight 93 was hijacked, the passengers knew from cell phone conversations with family on the ground that the hijackers had no intention but to use the aircraft as a weapon. Therefore, they rightly decided that they had nothing to lose by resisting and counter-attacking.
                        Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mr. Security
                          In all fairness to those victims, investigations have revealed that there were several "muscle" terrorists on board whose sole purpose was to overpower any resistance to the takeover. Pepper spray was also employed to keep passengers at bay. Since SOP during a hijack situation was to cooperate until negotiations or a SWAT team could intervene on the tarmac, the crew and passengers acted as they were trained to do.
                          By the time flight 93 was hijacked, the passengers knew from cell phone conversations with family on the ground that the hijackers had no intention but to use the aircraft as a weapon. Therefore, they rightly decided that they had nothing to lose by resisting and counter-attacking.
                          That is precisely what I wished to emphasize. The plan was to cooperate and negotiate and that didn't work. The only action that did work was when the majority of the people on board decided to take aggressive action. They ended up losing their lives, but they did stop the hijackers from accomplishing their goal. If similar proactive action would have been taken sooner then I'm certain the "muscle hijackers" would not have succeeded with killing the pilots and taking the aircraft. That is why we now have federal air marshals.
                          "We appreciate all the hard work you've done, the dedicated hours you have worked, and the lives you have saved. However, since this is your third time being late to work, we are terminating your employment here."

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                          • #14
                            Is it me being paranoid or is it possible that flight 93 was shot down by the airforce & it is being covered up by saying that the passengers tried to fight the hijackers? Shooting it down would have been completely justifyable since it was known what had happened to the other 2 planes.
                            I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
                            Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 1stWatch
                              That is precisely what I wished to emphasize. The plan was to cooperate and negotiate and that didn't work. The only action that did work was when the majority of the people on board decided to take aggressive action. They ended up losing their lives, but they did stop the hijackers from accomplishing their goal. If similar proactive action would have been taken sooner then I'm certain the "muscle hijackers" would not have succeeded with killing the pilots and taking the aircraft. That is why we now have federal air marshals.
                              Sooner than when? What precedent would you use prior to 9/11 to enact such a policy?
                              Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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