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  • #31
    If there was a saluting smiley, I would use it just for you Cadet Commander Black Sir! lol. The same "5 Star" guy owned the company, drove a blacked out lighted up Vic. Had enough crap on his uniform to rival a mexican general, and his belt made batman's look like a unprepared cub scout.
    "What if this is as good as it gets?" ~ Melvin Udall

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    • #32
      Originally posted by SecureTN View Post
      If there was a saluting smiley, I would use it just for you Cadet Commander Black Sir! lol. The same "5 Star" guy owned the company, drove a blacked out lighted up Vic. Had enough crap on his uniform to rival a mexican general, and his belt made batman's look like a unprepared cub scout.
      ROTFLMAO!

      I needed the comedy break. Thanks SecureTN
      "The Emperor is most displeased with your apparent lack of progress. I am here to put you back on schedule."

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      • #33
        Now I remember one job I had on the opposite side of the country way back in the day .... (during slick Willie's first term) where I saw a few sergents (usually roving patrol supervisors) and 1 lieutenant (never found out what she did). The boss didn't wear a rank structure just collar brass that said, "CHIEF" ..... just in cast you forgot who he was.
        "The Emperor is most displeased with your apparent lack of progress. I am here to put you back on schedule."

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        • #34
          Ranks

          My last position at AlliedBarton I was a Lieutenant (Shift Supervisor with LT bars).... I ended up leaving for various reasons, now I am going for an intrview with MD Masonic Homes. No known rank structure that I know of.. yet.
          J Hughes
          Former SSGT Patrolman, US Air Force
          Department of the Army Security Guard (GS-4):
          Applied: 12/2014
          Conditional Offer: 1/2015
          Medical (1): 1/26/2015

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          • #35
            hey, no problem Pilot, I'll be here all week!
            "What if this is as good as it gets?" ~ Melvin Udall

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            • #36
              The company I work for uses the military ranks and IMO it’s stupid I never refer to myself as sergeant nor do I allow any that works with me to do so. Unfortunately it seems to me that a lot of security guards feel seem to get their self worth from such titles

              Security is a civilian industry and as such should use civilian titles of rank

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              • #37
                Originally posted by SecureTN View Post
                hey, no problem Pilot, I'll be here all week!
                rofl, don't forget to tell him to try the Veal, it's wonderful.
                ~Black Caesar~
                Corbier's Commandos

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Trunk Monkey View Post
                  The company I work for uses the military ranks and IMO it’s stupid I never refer to myself as sergeant nor do I allow any that works with me to do so. Unfortunately it seems to me that a lot of security guards feel seem to get their self worth from such titles

                  Security is a civilian industry and as such should use civilian titles of rank

                  It is generally civilian..but it is also paramilitary in structure, so often a rank structure makes sense.

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                  • #39
                    Eccck, I hate Veal! lol.

                    It's never bothered me to be addressed by whatever title I may have held... At least the individuals who would do so respected me enough to do so. I didn't expect / require anyone to address me as such, and none of those titles gave me a woody... (well, Corporal at the prison may have, when I first got promoted )

                    I know my station in life, and mean absolutly no disrespect to any servicemember by using their rank structure.
                    "What if this is as good as it gets?" ~ Melvin Udall

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by TOII View Post
                      It is generally civilian..but it is also paramilitary in structure, so often a rank structure makes sense.
                      When I first started with my current employer company policy was very clear; we were not a paramilitary organization and as such officers were to avoid any type of dress (bloused boots, “tactical” pants) that would give the impression that we were. I always thought that if that was their position they should do away with military titles.

                      Officer, Site supervisor, Field Supervisor, Program Manager and Regional Manager all work just fine for me. My name tag says “supervisor” on it and that should let anyone who needs to know that I’m in charge of security for that site.


                      On a slightly different note, the company I work for also has a habit of designating certain officers as “lead” or “senior” officers and giving them the responsibilities of a site supervisor with out the extra pay. I had a site supervisor try to tell my I was the “senior” officer and the night shift at one site (he neglected to mention this to any of the other officers it was supposedly senior to) and I told him flat out “If you want me to do your job then you give me your pay” I wasn’t “senior” officer very long.

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                      • #41
                        I can't speak for my fellow officers here, but, I'll throw my .02 cents into the hat, I work in a big time classified environment, HR looks over the resumes, already having a secret clearance that's still "active" is a huge plus, out of 21 on duty officers, almost all (19) have come from an LE or Military background or both. The two remaining officers are "on call" and I haven't met them yet, lol. That being said, we do go by military rank, everyone likes the rules including myself and we're all very familiar with it...

                        PFC
                        SPC
                        SGT
                        2ND LT (Lead Officer)
                        1LT (Watch)
                        SKIP (TWO BAR only works days) lol ...

                        Good day officers
                        Pops..
                        Pop Pop - It reminds me of an old statement by my Master Sergeant. "A Good Run is better then a Bad Stand".

                        Sec Trainer- Pop Pop: Hope you don't mind if I quote your Master Sergeant. He was a very smart man.

                        Pop Pop- Yes Sir, Thank you Senior Instructor Sec Trainer, hope you don't mind if I place your quote into my Signature?

                        Sec Trainer- Permission granted, recruit. Now, police the company area!


                        flat out cool..

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                        • #42
                          Companies That Use Military Ranks (Seems Little Goofy)

                          SPC and not CPL. That is different. Is it like the Army meaning both PFC and SPC have absolutely no authority over anybody else then?

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Trunk Monkey View Post
                            When I first started with my current employer company policy was very clear; we were not a paramilitary organization and as such officers were to avoid any type of dress (bloused boots, “tactical” pants) that would give the impression that we were. I always thought that if that was their position they should do away with military titles.

                            Officer, Site supervisor, Field Supervisor, Program Manager and Regional Manager all work just fine for me. My name tag says “supervisor” on it and that should let anyone who needs to know that I’m in charge of security for that site.


                            On a slightly different note, the company I work for also has a habit of designating certain officers as “lead” or “senior” officers and giving them the responsibilities of a site supervisor with out the extra pay. I had a site supervisor try to tell my I was the “senior” officer and the night shift at one site (he neglected to mention this to any of the other officers it was supposedly senior to) and I told him flat out “If you want me to do your job then you give me your pay” I wasn’t “senior” officer very long.

                            I find it funny that they try that. No matter how hard they wish it...It is paramilitary, some more than others,but....
                            At any rate I find that the companies that try so hard to avoid it tend to be a joke anyway. But ranks DO need to be done right to mean something. IMO

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Jim1348 View Post
                              SPC and not CPL. That is different. Is it like the Army meaning both PFC and SPC have absolutely no authority over anybody else then?
                              SPC has rank over all under SGT, PVT ( E-1 / E-2) and PFC (E-3) SPC = ( E- 4 ) CPL is the Marines.
                              Pop Pop - It reminds me of an old statement by my Master Sergeant. "A Good Run is better then a Bad Stand".

                              Sec Trainer- Pop Pop: Hope you don't mind if I quote your Master Sergeant. He was a very smart man.

                              Pop Pop- Yes Sir, Thank you Senior Instructor Sec Trainer, hope you don't mind if I place your quote into my Signature?

                              Sec Trainer- Permission granted, recruit. Now, police the company area!


                              flat out cool..

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                              • #45
                                I have noticed a trend of attempted intimation from security trying to emulate the military and law enforcement . The reason I say attempted is that when the security industry for a lack of better term grows up or just stops scraping the bottom of the barrel for guards it might be able to adopt some semblance of a regimented unit . For every opportunity for the security industry has to shine they seem to want to hide from taking any responsibility of intervening . The cheap , ill fitting uniforms , the warn out , old and busted equipment and no real duty to act is what is killing the industry . The days of looking tough enough is not enough to protect the guard or the site. The mentality of all of the security companies I have worked for was lets send untrained , unarmed guards into danger and as long as nothing happens its all good . For protection you get a shinny badge and a cheap rank pin . Until you get into danger it is enough but when the S hits the fan what are you going to do but be a bullet stopper and someone to blame .

                                I believe the fact that security uses a military ranking system is to imply that there are some kind of standards and training. The illusion of standards that command some kind of respect from an ignorant public and a client that wants to turn a blind eye to what they are actually getting for the money they spend.
                                Confronted with the choice, the American people would choose the policeman's truncheon over the anarchist's bomb.
                                Spiro Agnew

                                Why yes I am a glorified babysitter , I am here to politely ask you to follow the rules , if not daddy comes to spank you and put you in time out its your choice - Me

                                Luck is a red hair woman , if you ever dated one you know there remarkably dangerous , my personal preference is to be competent and let luck join the ride if she so chooses .- Clint Smith

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