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    Class of police recruits is fired
    Cobb group caught in cheating scandal

    By JENNIFER BRETT
    The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

    Published on: 08/08/06

    An entire class of Cobb County police recruits was fired Monday after they cheated on a test, authorities said.

    "Not much shocks me after 35 years in this business, but I was shocked," said Mickey Lloyd, Cobb's public safety director.

    A police academy instructor caught two recruits comparing answers during a written exam last week, Lloyd said. After the academy alerted Lloyd on Friday, he ordered an inquest and soon learned that all 20 recruits had cheated, he said.

    Most of the recruits admitted to cheating when asked about it, Lloyd said.

    "They'd gotten together and decided none of them was going to fail," said Lloyd.

    It's not clear how the recruits cheated, though Lloyd said they did not steal the test.

    The news "dismayed" Cobb County Commissioner Helen Goreham, but she praised the swift response in drumming out the recruits suspected of cheating.

    "Integrity with our police officers is something we do not skimp on," said Goreham, the commissioners' public safety liaison. "The level of service our officers provide the citizenry is top-notch. We will not tolerate an incident of this type."

    Investigators do not plan to file criminal charges against any class members — a mix of men and women of various backgrounds — but they might not ever wear a law enforcement badge in Georgia, Lloyd said.

    Authorities did not release the recruits' names.

    Cobb officials plan to report the dismissals to the Georgia Peace Officer Standards and Training Council, which oversees the training and certification of law enforcement officers.

    To get into the class, recruits had to have at least a high school diploma and pass a background check as well as psychiatric and polygraph tests — measures intended to weed out certain would-be cops.

    "You'd think you'd have the cream of the crop," Lloyd said.

    The recruits were county employees training to become sworn police officers. They were in the fifth week of a 22-week training period required to join about 600 officers on Cobb's police force, where salaries start around $34,600.

    Instructors stress the importance of honesty with recruits. Police officers are often key witnesses in criminal trials.

    "If you cheat, steal or lie, you lose your credibility in court," Lloyd said.

    Commission Chairman Sam Olens said, "Our police officers need to be beyond reproach."

    Lloyd sounded weary and disappointed Monday but stressed his confidence in Cobb County's thin blue line.

    "The Cobb County Police Department is among the best in the state," he said. "There are a lot of fine officers out there. They work hard and they're honest. This had to be done in order to maintain this reputation."

    News of the incident was rippling through the police department and county administration Monday.

    "Everybody's very disturbed about it," said police spokesman Dana Pierce. "It's a disappointment to all of us."
    Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

  • #2
    I heard about this and I'm glad these idiots got caught and fired, as they so richly deserved. Integrity is the cornerstone character trait that a police officer must possess, because our credibility in court is the key to our jobs. It does not matter how many bad guys we arrest, if our cases keep getting thrown out of court and said bad guy goes back to prey on the community because a judge and/or jury will not believe our testimony.

    On the plus side, they did work together as a team! Maybe we will see some of these winners working security jobs there in Georgia!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by histfan71
      ..........
      On the plus side, they did work together as a team! Maybe we will see some of these winners working security jobs there in Georgia!
      Now that IS a scary thought.
      Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by histfan71
        On the plus side, they did work together as a team! Maybe we will see some of these winners working security jobs there in Georgia!
        Nah, they'll just get police jobs somewhere else.

        It's Georgia, after all.

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        • #5
          If what the cadets say is true, The instructors should have been fired too.. The Cadets plan to tell GPOST under oath that the instructors ordered the cadets to cheat (and left the room to do so, when GPOST says test admins should always be in the room when a test is given). It was supposedly an Academy Sgt who found out and got the ball rolling.

          The Cadets are going to tell their story to GPOST. Of course now an outside agency gets to investigate. If the cadets are still lying, GPOST should rip their certification for life, but if they are telling the truth, those cadets have one heck of a law suit coming. I doubt any of the tainted will work in Law Enforcement, even in Georgia. Georgia isn't as backward as people think, I've got a cousin (well, he's my wife's cousin, but he's from Texas, we all grew up together) who is a Deputy with the Chatham County Sheriff. He told me GPOST don't play no games....
          ~Black Caesar~
          Corbier's Commandos

          " "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Black Caesar
            If what the cadets say is true, The instructors should have been fired too.. The Cadets plan to tell GPOST under oath that the instructors ordered the cadets to cheat (and left the room to do so, when GPOST says test admins should always be in the room when a test is given). It was supposedly an Academy Sgt who found out and got the ball rolling.

            The Cadets are going to tell their story to GPOST. Of course now an outside agency gets to investigate. If the cadets are still lying, GPOST should rip their certification for life, but if they are telling the truth, those cadets have one heck of a law suit coming. I doubt any of the tainted will work in Law Enforcement, even in Georgia. Georgia isn't as backward as people think, I've got a cousin (well, he's my wife's cousin, but he's from Texas, we all grew up together) who is a Deputy with the Chatham County Sheriff. He told me GPOST don't play no games....
            Even if they are telling the truth about being "ordered" to cheat, the Nuremberg trials established a higher standard for those who are ordered to violate what is and should be morally right.
            Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Black Caesar
              If what the cadets say is true, The instructors should have been fired too.. The Cadets plan to tell GPOST under oath that the instructors ordered the cadets to cheat (and left the room to do so, when GPOST says test admins should always be in the room when a test is given). It was supposedly an Academy Sgt who found out and got the ball rolling.

              The Cadets are going to tell their story to GPOST. Of course now an outside agency gets to investigate. If the cadets are still lying, GPOST should rip their certification for life, but if they are telling the truth, those cadets have one heck of a law suit coming. I doubt any of the tainted will work in Law Enforcement, even in Georgia. Georgia isn't as backward as people think, I've got a cousin (well, he's my wife's cousin, but he's from Texas, we all grew up together) who is a Deputy with the Chatham County Sheriff. He told me GPOST don't play no games....
              Nowhere in that article did it mention anything about cadets being ordered to cheat.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Jackhole
                Nowhere in that article did it mention anything about cadets being ordered to cheat.
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                ~Black Caesar~
                Corbier's Commandos

                " "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

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                • #9
                  The academy recruits got what they deserved for cheating. If the recruits are telling the truth about the behavior of the instructors in telling them to cheat, then said instructors should also find themselves unemployed in law enforcement - as their credibility would be gone as well.

                  Because the recruits were stupid enough to follow the instructions to cheat (if true) doesn't excuse the instructors behavior.

                  The sad part is that the recruits followed such obviously unethical behavior.

                  Should they have graduated how would these officers have behaved in the field considering the example that had already been set?
                  "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Black Caesar
                    Thanks. I didn't understand where you got that information for a minute.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mr. Security
                      Even if they are telling the truth about being "ordered" to cheat, the Nuremberg trials established a higher standard for those who are ordered to violate what is and should be morally right.
                      While I would not compare what these cheating cadets did to the atrocities the Nazi's committed, I can well understand your point.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by histfan71
                        While I would not compare what these cheating cadets did to the atrocities the Nazi's committed, I can well understand your point.
                        Thanks. It's not so much the act as it is the principle behind the precedent.
                        Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mr. Security
                          Thanks. It's not so much the act as it is the principle behind the precedent.
                          It must be remember that an illegal or unlawful order can never be made lawful or legal by the rank of the person giving the order. I remember several cases within the civilian sector where police officers requested internal investigations. When they were not forthcoming, they went to the DA and subsequently appeared before the county grand jury.
                          From the mayor on down, there was a housecleaning of interesting dimensions.
                          In the military two cases where pilots ordered to lie about thier aicraft performance, requested Article 32 investigations, not unlike grand juries. The matter was dropped and efficiency reports written by higher command. At Lackland AFB, TX two instructors were ordered to certify superior, then excellent and finally satisfactory training. They refused and charges brought. After they requested an Article 32 investigation, the matter was dropped and the officer making the demands was removed from the service.
                          Enjoy the day,
                          Bill

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                          • #14
                            I would not ban these cadets from a career in Law Enforcement. Well, not at face value. I cant judge just yet because if I sat in an academy class and the instructor says, you may take this test in groups of 4, you can bet your butt I would take that advantage. I would like to know what all was said and instructed before e-condemning these cadets.

                            We all do dumb things in life... these guy's dumb thing just happened to land in the paper.
                            "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
                            "The Curve" 1998

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BHR Lawson
                              I would not ban these cadets from a career in Law Enforcement. Well, not at face value. I cant judge just yet because if I sat in an academy class and the instructor says, you may take this test in groups of 4, you can bet your butt I would take that advantage. I would like to know what all was said and instructed before e-condemning these cadets.

                              We all do dumb things in life... these guy's dumb thing just happened to land in the paper.
                              This wasn't just a dumb mistake. If an instructor asks you to violate academy policy and you lack the moral fiber to take a stand for what you know is right because of pressure from a superior, you will no doubt compromise in the future when corruption or wrongdoing raises its ugly head.
                              Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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