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    LA suburb Strip club licensed security asked two customers to leave.
    They left and returned with shotgun.
    licensed Armed security fearing for his safety, fired multiple rounds.
    35-year old suspect was pronounced dead at the scene.

    I'm not prepare for Shotgun
    Be safe everyone.

    http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktl...,1966589.story

    BTW, Security is detained (not arrested) for Questioning by Deputy.
    There maybe a lot of witnesses especially when suspect was asked to leave.
    still LASD detained S/O (I think it's right procedure)
    Sanford PD released Zimmerman right after took him to station with no witness.
    Not many but few chauffeurs are armed to protect clients.

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    A very interesting story. This story reminds you the reasons why you shouldn't become complacent while working security. I'm just glad these security officers had the means to defend themselves.
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    "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil" - Doug Patton

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Limo LA View Post
      LA suburb Strip club licensed security asked two customers to leave.
      They left and returned with shotgun.
      licensed Armed security fearing for his safety, fired multiple rounds.
      35-year old suspect was pronounced dead at the scene.

      I'm not prepare for Shotgun
      Be safe everyone.

      http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktl...,1966589.story

      BTW, Security is detained (not arrested) for Questioning by Deputy.
      There maybe a lot of witnesses especially when suspect was asked to leave.
      still LASD detained S/O (I think it's right procedure)
      Sanford PD released Zimmerman right after took him to station with no witness.

      So, like Zimmerman, they were detained for questioning...sounds right in both cases.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by TOII View Post
        So, like Zimmerman, they were detained for questioning...sounds right in both cases.
        * Strip club S/O
        Many witnesses.
        Suspect have strong motive to harm S/O.
        Suspect left and returned to club with shot gun
        Deputy is holding physical evidence (Suspect's Shotgun)

        * Zimmerman
        No witness (at least when PD released him)
        No physical evidence.
        Only word from shooter said that Trayvon attacked him.

        And you think they should treat them same.
        Both are homicide case until proven justified.
        I wonder how Sandord PD believe/prove it was justified with lack of witness/evidence in such short time.
        Last edited by Limo LA; 04-05-2012, 04:28 AM.
        Not many but few chauffeurs are armed to protect clients.

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        • #5
          standard response for gangbanger wannabes when asked to leave or refused

          entry to teenage party is to return for driveby.

          We hear about it all the time in Oakland and Richmond mostly.

          I've heard about it from people personally that didn't even make the news.

          It is such the common response I'm surprised the cops don't do it as a "sting".

          Pass out flyers, stage party with with a few actors out on the porch for 45 minutes and turn away people, then close drapes and use projector to create moving 'shadows' on the drapes of people dancing and crank the music. Have squad cars ready to block street at both ends and SWAT deployed and hidden....and a few tow trucks around the block to haul off the bullet ridden cars of punks doing drive bys so the next crew wont be tipped off.

          Like "Bait Car" but better.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Limo LA View Post
            * Strip club S/O
            Many witnesses.
            Suspect have strong motive to harm S/O.
            Suspect left and returned to club with shot gun
            Deputy is holding physical evidence (Suspect's Shotgun)

            * Zimmerman
            No witness (at least when PD released him)
            No physical evidence.
            Only word from shooter said that Trayvon attacked him.

            And you think they should treat them same.
            Both are homicide case until proven justified.
            I wonder how Sandord PD believe/prove it was justified with lack of witness/evidence in such short time.
            SO the broken nose and gashes on his head as well as grass stains on the back of his shirt are no physical evidence?
            "Get yourself a shovel cause your in deep Sh*t"

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Limo LA View Post
              ... Both are homicide case until proven justified...
              May I suggest a minor correction, with major implications to both cases:

              Both are shooters are suspected of homicide; both shooters are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, in a court of law.

              Yes: although standard procedure in any homicide investigation in CA seems to be to detain or to arrest & detain any persons identifiable as the killer(s) in a given case, such persons-of-interest are and remain suspects until either cleared of suspicion or charged, tried in court, and their guilt or innocence is proven.

              To be finicky about this, yes, both shootings are "homicides"... since both deaths are the result of actions of persons other than the deceased. IOW, neither death was a result of natural causes, disease, accident or suicide; hence, they're "homicides".

              "Homicide" is not synonomous with "murder".

              It would be a fine thing if the media were to ponder this point, and apply it as appropriate to any and all future reporting.


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              I'm well familiar with Snooky's in Lancaster; it's a rough place, and a shooting there doesn't surprise me in the least.
              Last edited by 5423; 04-07-2012, 02:15 PM. Reason: I got finger-tied.
              "I'll defend with my life your right to disagree with me" - anonymous

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 5423 View Post
                May I suggest a minor correction, with major implications to both cases:

                Both are shooters are suspected of homicide; both shooters are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, in a court of law.
                Thank you for correction.
                Yes I skipped many steps in limited written conversation.
                and I included my own assumption with opinion.

                I assume, both will be most likely proven as fact in court that Shooter killed deceased at location.
                so, I started from both will be homicide as my opinion (not yet proven in court through).
                But officially yes it had not yet proven Homicide (in case shooter say "I didn't pull trigger. bullet flew out by itself" etc but shooter confessed that he did it in both case)

                My concern is next step and this is only my opinion and not fact.
                I think unless it is obvious for Suspect's action was justifiable, law enforcement agency should bring it to court to prove if it was justifiable.
                Word "Reasonable" maybe a key, I think.
                So, public (include myself) didn't think there are not enough evidence/witness to "Reasonably" believe that Zimmerman's action was Justifiable unless take it to court to find out.
                (again, NOT saying Zimmerman is guilty. just saying "PD should find it out in court instead of their own poor instant judgement")

                *1
                Armed bank robber rushed in to bank and start shooting randomly, then armed S/O shot back and killed him.
                customers and bank employees are presented.
                Also Bank's security cameras recorded in multi-angle.
                His AK47 and 20 empty cartridges recovered at scene.
                This homicide suspect (Bank S/O) is most likely 99% of chance justifiable to me.
                Local PD don't need to hold S/O as murder/involuntarily manslaughter suspect.

                *2
                LAPD got 911 call. Caller declared that he shot and killed man in alley at 5th st Downtown LA (known as drug dealing skid row)
                LAPD central diversion went to location and recovered body with gun shot on the ground.
                Only weapon recovered at scene was shooter's handgun.
                person who declared as shooter has blood on his shirts.
                No witness, no camera (at that point)
                He said "I was walking on 5th street, this guy came out from nowhere pulled me to this alley and start punching me with no reason. I shot and killed him to defend myself"

                is this person telling officer true ?
                maybe true maybe fabricated, nobody knows YET.
                Is this homicide suspect "Reasonably" believed his action was justifiable ?
                or there are too many unclear/unknown fact and lack of Evidence, Police should bring this case to DA/Court to find-out if his homicide should be justifiable ?
                Will he possibly flee or alter evidence after police release him ?

                Those two stories are created by me and not real.
                But Strip club S/O is closer to *1 and Zimmerman is closer to *2 to my eyes.
                Last edited by Limo LA; 04-07-2012, 08:38 PM.
                Not many but few chauffeurs are armed to protect clients.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bigdog View Post
                  SO the broken nose and gashes on his head as well as grass stains on the back of his shirt are no physical evidence?
                  Self inflicted to cover up what he did ?
                  I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
                  Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by HotelSecurity View Post
                    Self inflicted to cover up what he did ?
                    Sorry I don't believe that a person would break their own nose and slam their own head on a sidewalk to cover up a shooting. SO you are saying the witness that saw Trayvon on top of him was lying?
                    "Get yourself a shovel cause your in deep Sh*t"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by HotelSecurity View Post
                      Self inflicted to cover up what he did ?
                      Ridiculous statement
                      Sergeant Phil Esterhaus: "Hey, let's be careful out there.."

                      THE VIEWS EXPRESSED ON THIS WEBSITE/BLOG ARE MINE ALONE AND DO NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT THE VIEWS OF MY EMPLOYER.

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                      • #12
                        "(PD should find it out in court instead of their own poor instant judgement")
                        UMMMM limo.....Talk about making a statement without knowing all the facts. How do you know their judgement was poor? The more that comes out the more correct their judgement appears. Even in California suspects are not always arrested on scene before an investigation.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by zm88 View Post
                          Ridiculous statement
                          You have NEVER heard of someone self inflicting wounds to cover something up?
                          I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
                          Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by HotelSecurity View Post
                            You have NEVER heard of someone self inflicting wounds to cover something up?
                            i have, but I highly doubt thats what happened here. what id love to know is why so many people are convinced this.guy murdered the thug. I've read plenty of articles citing witness statements that this kid attacked zimmerman and its obvious he didn't just identify hinself as a guest visiting his father. where is the evidence proving zimmermans ill intentions to murder this kid? I'm just sick of every time a minority is killed ots turned into a race thing, amd thats what happened here. I juat heard that members of the Nationalist socialist front ( i believe thats the groups name, based out of detroit) are armed and patrolling sanford prepared for a race war. This is the.consequence of Al Sharpton amd every other race baiter atepping in and blowing a shooting out of proportion. has anyone seen the.video of the.baltimore teens beating, stripping and.robbing the white tourist? whetes the outrage for that. or the outrage in the kids that attacked the 70 something white man shouting this is for trayvon, trayvon lives white man, and one kid putting his foot.on the back of his head while another says lill him.
                            Sergeant Phil Esterhaus: "Hey, let's be careful out there.."

                            THE VIEWS EXPRESSED ON THIS WEBSITE/BLOG ARE MINE ALONE AND DO NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT THE VIEWS OF MY EMPLOYER.

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