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  • What about that Zimmerman shooting in FL?

    Guy was "community watch" or whatever and thus sort of "Security".

    Not getting much real info on the case, but rumor are Zimmerman was assaulted not just once but at least twice, before shooting.

    In my Exposed Firearm class we were told we should retreat, if possible, but not let our selves be chased.

    I'm surprised in this gated community that seemed to have tight security there aren't any videos of at least some parts of this incident.

  • #2
    I was surprised that a thread wasn't started earlier about this. Bottom line, none of us were there (im assuming) and all we have are snippets of witness accounts after the fact or minites leading up to the shooting. Everywhere I look people are turning this into a black vs. white thing which I cannot freaking stand. Things are gonna get real ugly over this in the streets and im hoping nobody else gets hurt. People in Boston are catching on to the poor Trayvon train, and we just had a mistrial declared in a quadruple homicide from a few years ago which an infant was killed in(home invasion/drug related).
    I've been in situations where I have seen people make movements in the waistband area in an attempt to intimidate another ( I'm sure im not the only one) and that is quite possibly what could have happened here. Why didn't the kid say he was there visiting or just passing through? Now Zimmerman could have just had the 'whacker' syndrome and got overzealous and shot this kid, we don't know. I really hope the DA doesn't decide to prosecute based on high tension in the community and goes on the evidence. Like I said though, the minute people start marching and one of them gets arrested....total s*it show
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Squid View Post
      Guy was "community watch" or whatever and thus sort of "Security".

      Not getting much real info on the case, but rumor are Zimmerman was assaulted not just once but at least twice, before shooting.

      In my Exposed Firearm class we were told we should retreat, if possible, but not let our selves be chased.

      I'm surprised in this gated community that seemed to have tight security there aren't any videos of at least some parts of this incident.
      An ok-ish article about Zimmerman's background. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...mmerman23.html. Much of it screams "over-zealous wannabe cop" to me

      Zimmerman brought all of this on his self. Calling the police on a suspicious person is one thing, but smart people know to just leave it at that. Zimmerman put himself in a position to then need to use force to defend himself ( here in Texas, that would sink his claim of self defense, don't know if Florida is different).

      That being said, I've seen it happen many times where a person crosses the line from legitimate self defense to assault, which is what the Martin kid may have done. Either way , it was a senseless death.
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      Goin off on a Tangent, I'll tell the story of "Officer Tommy" (not his real name of course). I don't know the Zimmerman guy in Florida, but from what I've read (always taken with a grain of salt), he reminds me so much this guy I once worked with.

      If any of you guys recall my Cigar Saga, Well, "Officer Tommy" was anohter officer I supervised at the same apartment complex, on the same account. Most of the time he was my "partner", as bad as that side of town was, we were never to be anywhere on duty alone.

      The differences between Tommy and Cigar, however, were WIDE. Where as Cigar was an inept, delusional, self-important lying idiot, Tommy was a smart, articulate, well meaning good guy who i was happy to work with. He had been in the same police academy I graduated from (he was in 3 years after me), but got kicked after a couple weeks when it came to light that he failed to tell them about a theft conviction he'd gotten when he was 18. He explained it to me as getting caught up in something his cousin was doing at a Wal-mart, and I believe him.

      Tommy would always tell me how envious he was that I was a cop because he wanted to be one (I was a part time campus cop at the time, Tommy was "easily impressed" lol.).

      Well, one day Tommy and I are on foot patrol at the complex when we turn a corner and see a Dallas Police Vehicle parked next to an apartment building. 2 officers, 1 male, 1 female, are talking to a woman holding a baby. The woman looks bad, like she was at least 70 years old. Turns out she was a drug abuser and only in her 30s, the baby she was holding was hers.

      She'd called police because she said her boyfriend/pimp had hit her. The guy was gone by the time police arrived. the DPD officers finished talking to her and made to leave, so I approached them, identified myself as a security officer and asked if there was anything we could do to help. The female officer gave us the run down, described the man in question (and informed us that he was a resident, on the apartment's lease) and told us to let her know if we saw him again. I took her card and told her we would.

      An hour later, we came back to the same spot, and noticed the woman sitting outside with the baby and a man standing next to a car saying "baby , I'm sorry" and such. Fit the description perfectly. I pull out my phone to call the Dallas Officer and next thing I know, Tommy is making a beeline for him. I don't want to holler and tip the guy off, but I was trying to get Tommy's attention.

      Tommy tries to go around the car to attempt to cut him off from running, the guy turns and sees him then takes off towards the street (away from both of us). Tommy takes off after him, and I take off after Tommy. Now i'm yelling at Tommy to stop, and he keeps going, the guy crosses the street, jumps a fence, lands on a dumpster, turns a corner and is gone.

      Tommy comes back to the property, out of breath and says "well, at least we got his car. I was ticked off, i asked Tommy why he chased a guy that we had NOT seen commit a felony or Breach of the peace in our presence, and he said "well Dallas wants him, so I was going to detain him for them". Ugh.

      I called the Dallas Officer and told her the guy came back, but ran off when he saw us (yea, I left out the chasing part lol), she said she'd be right there. We go to the Leasing office to wait for her, and 15 minutes pass. I was feeling the "call of nature" but I didn't want to go to the bathroom yet, because I didn't want Tommy to be the one to talk to her, for both our sakes. But I couldn't hold it any longer, and rushed to the restroom.

      And OF COURSE that's when DPD showed up..... I get out of the leasing office, just in time to hear Tommy describing his "foot pursuit" to the Dallas Officers. The 1st thing she said was "why in hell were you chasing him?".

      I walked up and shushed Tommy, then I told her "Well Ma'am, we weren't chasing him, we were just following him at a distance so we could tell you which direction he went in". I pointed and said "he went thataway". She actually got a laugh out of that, but she knew the deal and she told Tommy "next time, leave the chasing to us unless someone you're protecting is in danger or something". Then she said "Does Darryl know you're out here chasing people".

      "Darryl" was our Area manager, himself a part time cop for the college district like me. Turns out the female Dallas Officer had worked with him years earlier at Wackenhut. So she really knew the deal with us and how Darryl ran things.

      Later, i asked Tommy what he was thinking when he chased the guy, and he was all like "Man, I just really hate crime, you know what I mean". Yea, I did, but I wasn't going to be reckless about it.

      A few years later (years after leaving that company), I heard through mutual friends that Tommy was out of security because he assaulted a guy on a street in a gated community who he thought was suspicious but was actually the VP of the local homeowners association. Got charged with the assault and the state ripped his security commission after conviction...
      Last edited by Black Caesar; 03-23-2012, 12:47 PM.
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      • #4
        While once we see a crime worth calling in we are supposed to

        "let the police handle it", however, in many posts you are supposed to be an "active" visual deterrent. In other words WE are the person who is supposed to get close enough to suspicious persons to make them want to "take it elsewhere" and that is done on private property if appropriate or the mall doesn't want to risk a discrimination suit or something, or can even be done on public property (within reason).

        I believe it is also perfectly OK to continue to stay close and keep an eye on them if they try to evade you on the private property you are posted on.

        Given FL 'stand your ground' law, I think Zimmer is OK if the kid was approaching in threatening manner after being told to stop, especially on private property and if the kid had assaulted Zimmer.




        PS-that story provides zero facts, only racial pandering.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Squid View Post
          Given FL 'stand your ground' law, I think Zimmer is OK if the kid was approaching in threatening manner after being told to stop, especially on private property and if the kid had assaulted Zimmer.
          according to Zimmer's own 911 call, he was the one who followed to kid against of police direction.

          17 years old kid walking alone at night, big white man talking to someone on the phone stared at him.
          If I'm black kid in this situation, I would be scared thinking this big guy would attack me anytime.
          Then Trayvon run, Zimmer foot pursued, 911 dispatcher said "you don't need to do that"
          instead "meet officer in area"
          "Do you reside there ?"
          "What your apartment# ? What your name ?"
          911 dispatcher sounds completely handling Zimmer as civilian.

          Background of 911 call, I don't hear Zimmer talked to Trayvon "Please stop" "Sir can I talk to you ?" "Excuse me, I'm neighborhood watch" anything but Zimmer's breath when he chased Trayvon.
          I doubt Zimmer wear any type of uniform or any sign shows "neighborhood watch".
          No doubt young black Trayvon was fear as hell to be chased by unknown big white guy.

          next 911 call from neighbor, all you can hear is poor kid screaming for help then gun shot.
          also two witnesses say they keep hearing Trayvon crying till they heard gun shot.

          I wasn't there, but I just assume Black Kid walking at night, he encounter potential threat(Zimmer).
          he turned around and run.
          Zimmer chase, reach to Trayvon.
          Trayvon screaming for help in background of neighbor's 911 call (Zimmer beating Trayvon up)
          Trayvon try to defend himself then get shot.
          Who was doing self defense ?

          at first place, No uniform/no badge big white guy stared at black teenager then chased with no uniform/no badge and no authority.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-MMPdL5PP0

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okGY4EHwHsY

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9jRPsn5S3Q
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Limo LA View Post
            according to Zimmer's own 911 call, he was the one who followed to kid against of police direction.

            17 years old kid walking alone at night, big white man talking to someone on the phone stared at him.
            If I'm black kid in this situation, I would be scared thinking this big guy would attack me anytime.
            Then Trayvon run, Zimmer foot pursued, 911 dispatcher said "you don't need to do that"
            instead "meet officer in area"
            "Do you reside there ?"
            "What your apartment# ? What your name ?"
            911 dispatcher sounds completely handling Zimmer as civilian.

            Background of 911 call, I don't hear Zimmer talked to Trayvon "Please stop" "Sir can I talk to you ?" "Excuse me, I'm neighborhood watch" anything but Zimmer's breath when he chased Trayvon.
            I doubt Zimmer wear any type of uniform or any sign shows "neighborhood watch".
            No doubt young black Trayvon was fear as hell to be chased by unknown big white guy.

            next 911 call from neighbor, all you can hear is poor kid screaming for help then gun shot.
            also two witnesses say they keep hearing Trayvon crying till they heard gun shot.

            I wasn't there, but I just assume Black Kid walking at night, he encounter potential threat(Zimmer).
            he turned around and run.
            Zimmer chase, reach to Trayvon.
            Trayvon screaming for help in background of neighbor's 911 call (Zimmer beating Trayvon up)
            Trayvon try to defend himself then get shot.
            Who was doing self defense ?

            at first place, No uniform/no badge big white guy stared at black teenager then chased with no uniform/no badge and no authority.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-MMPdL5PP0

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okGY4EHwHsY

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9jRPsn5S3Q


            His family has identified zimmerman as a hispanic, not a "big white guy".
            Sergeant Phil Esterhaus: "Hey, let's be careful out there.."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by zm88 View Post
              His family has identified zimmerman as a hispanic, not a "big white guy".
              Yes, you are correct.
              He is half Hispanic from his mother side.
              I don't want to bring this up to racial profiling otherwise I don't know how to call the man of "1/4 Cherokee, 1/4 Irish, 1/4 German, 1/4 Chinese".

              I should call him White skin/light skin or non-black big guy
              I was assuming how Trayvon looked Zimmerman was.
              I don't think Trayvon looked Zimmerman as half white half Hispanic.

              According to LA Times,
              * Zimmerman was third son of retired Judge.
              * his mother side are all Hispanic.
              * History of "Resisting arrest" at age 21 at bar.
              * ex-fiancée filed a petition against him because "Domestic violence" at same year.
              * He attended local Sheriff's program " four-month law-enforcement program".
              * He attended College for AA degree of Policing but kicked out in last week of class based on "safety issues for Zimmerman and other students"
              * He had been Neighborhood watch group for at least 8 years.

              to me, this person looked one of wanna be cop and history of Violence (not only once).

              I don't know about Sanford PD but LAPD is pioneer of Neighborhood watch program.
              It basically "Educate citizen" and LAPD get extra "eyes and ears" from local residents.
              my neighbor who was 88 years old lady was very active member of Neighborhood watch group but she passed away last year.
              Neighborhood watch member is NOT substitute of Security or police but local resident who does not hesitate to call police for suspicious activity in LA Neighborhood watch program.
              Neighborhood member has no empowerment/authority.
              Volunteer school cross guard has more authority than neighborhood watch members.

              So, basically Zimmerman was just one of resident of gated community.
              Police dispatcher told him to wait for officer arrive to scene and report.
              but he chased guest (relative) of another resident with no authority just because kid looked suspicious.
              I believe Trayvon Run because he felt great fear of his life.
              I don't know exactly what happened and why Trayvon was screaming for help but I could easily guess.

              again, I don't want to bring this to racial issue.
              to my eyes, it looked as term of "Self defense" and "Authority" and "Identify oneself before do anything"
              I think things goes 180 differently, If he wore type of uniform or Vest shows "Neighborhood watch" then identify himself then ask Trayvon politely before do any physical.
              Also when he patrol, his car should have magnet sign read "Neighborhood watch" otherwise he could be one of suspicious person by others.
              I would call police if I see person in parked car with engine running in rainy night talking to somebody in phone staring at black kid on sidewalk.
              Not many but few chauffeurs are armed to protect clients.

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              • #8
                Does anyone else besides me think he looks like Chaz Bono?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Limo LA View Post
                  Yes, you are correct.
                  He is half Hispanic from his mother side.
                  I don't want to bring this up to racial profiling otherwise I don't know how to call the man of "1/4 Cherokee, 1/4 Irish, 1/4 German, 1/4 Chinese".

                  I should call him White skin/light skin or non-black big guy
                  I was assuming how Trayvon looked Zimmerman was.
                  I don't think Trayvon looked Zimmerman as half white half Hispanic.

                  According to LA Times,
                  * Zimmerman was third son of retired Judge.
                  * his mother side are all Hispanic.
                  * History of "Resisting arrest" at age 21 at bar.
                  * ex-fiancée filed a petition against him because "Domestic violence" at same year.
                  * He attended local Sheriff's program " four-month law-enforcement program".
                  * He attended College for AA degree of Policing but kicked out in last week of class based on "safety issues for Zimmerman and other students"
                  * He had been Neighborhood watch group for at least 8 years.

                  to me, this person looked one of wanna be cop and history of Violence (not only once).

                  I don't know about Sanford PD but LAPD is pioneer of Neighborhood watch program.
                  It basically "Educate citizen" and LAPD get extra "eyes and ears" from local residents.
                  my neighbor who was 88 years old lady was very active member of Neighborhood watch group but she passed away last year.
                  Neighborhood watch member is NOT substitute of Security or police but local resident who does not hesitate to call police for suspicious activity in LA Neighborhood watch program.
                  Neighborhood member has no empowerment/authority.
                  Volunteer school cross guard has more authority than neighborhood watch members.

                  So, basically Zimmerman was just one of resident of gated community.
                  Police dispatcher told him to wait for officer arrive to scene and report.
                  but he chased guest (relative) of another resident with no authority just because kid looked suspicious.
                  I believe Trayvon Run because he felt great fear of his life.
                  I don't know exactly what happened and why Trayvon was screaming for help but I could easily guess.

                  again, I don't want to bring this to racial issue.
                  to my eyes, it looked as term of "Self defense" and "Authority" and "Identify oneself before do anything"
                  I think things goes 180 differently, If he wore type of uniform or Vest shows "Neighborhood watch" then identify himself then ask Trayvon politely before do any physical.
                  Also when he patrol, his car should have magnet sign read "Neighborhood watch" otherwise he could be one of suspicious person by others.
                  I would call police if I see person in parked car with engine running in rainy night talking to somebody in phone staring at black kid on sidewalk.
                  Wannabe cop or someone for some reason unreported was deemed unfit to become a police officer (mental or even physical). I'm not trying to turn this into a race thing but the pros already have (al sharpton, farrakaan sp?). The media has been portraying Trayvon as an innocent defenseless small child who could never be seen as a threat. Showing pictures of him when he was younger and not how he looked now.

                  http://www.trayvon.tk/

                  Heres another look and mostly what the media is not reporting. Trayvons mother said this isn't a black and white thing but a right and wrong. The kid should've told zimmerman what he was doing there instead of running away. I'd really like.to know if the situation was reversed (black shooter white vic) with same circumstances if there would be this much media coverage.
                  Sergeant Phil Esterhaus: "Hey, let's be careful out there.."

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                  • #10
                    Esp. since neither one was white...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TOII View Post
                      Esp. since neither one was white...
                      Zimmerman is hispanic/white and the medias playing up the white part. Tons of henious crimes that are black on white never get national media coverage like this (wichita massacre) and remarks from the president. If someone whose not white threatens me or my family and I use physical force to protect them I shouldn't.be seen as a racist.juat because we're different ethnicities. Scumbags come in all shapes, sizes and.colors.
                      Sergeant Phil Esterhaus: "Hey, let's be careful out there.."

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                      • #12
                        I think it is two different part for this incident.

                        First one is between Thayvon and Zimmerman
                        (most of action was taken by Zimmerman anyway)

                        I don't think Thayvon had obligation to tell to Zimmerman what he was doing.
                        Zimmerman is just one of resident, he has no authority to check anyone.
                        Thayvon was NOT in Zimmerman's private property (he was not on Zimmerman's backyard, front porch, driveway etc)

                        Instead, Zimmerman needed to tell Thayvon what he is doing at least tell him that Zimmerman is neighborhood watch member in community.

                        I believe Thayvon was scared even Zimmerman was full Hispanic, Chinese or Samoan, any race.
                        in 911 call, Thayvon walk toward Zimmerman to check him out (plain cloth, plain car, compleatly civilian, Thayvon might think he was someone he knew) then turn around and run.

                        Zimmerman was NOT Uniformed patrol security or Guard at gate.
                        nobody had to tell Zimmerman what he is doing where he is visiting.
                        and Zimmerman has no authority to chase anyone unless he witness misdemeanor or strong belief for felony was committed.
                        IF Zimmerman cached up Thayvon and grab his body or arm, Zimmerman was guilty of unlawful imprisonment and Thayvon has right to defend himself.

                        Second one is between Police and Zimmerman
                        I bet Zimmerman called his dad who is retired judge, right after he shot Thaybon.
                        His dad might called Police as his son had shot somebody for self defense (I can imagine).
                        Zimmerman didn't call 911 but neighbor did. (maybe he was busy talking to his dad. He told neighbor "Call 911")
                        I don't know police release him because he was white or he was released because he was son of judge.
                        Stand on ground won't fit to someone chase to other on public street (Semi public, common area of gated community) with no reason (even he thought Thayvon was suspicious. it was just his thought)
                        They have all evidence of 911 conversation between police and him.
                        Zimmerman started action.

                        Yes, it's not Black and white as media is crazy about.
                        I also think it's right or wrong (of police decision)
                        Last edited by Limo LA; 03-26-2012, 03:47 AM.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Limo LA View Post
                          according to Zimmer's own 911 call, he was the one who followed to kid against of police direction.

                          17 years old kid walking alone at night, big white man talking to someone on the phone stared at him.
                          If I'm black kid in this situation, I would be scared thinking this big guy would attack me anytime.
                          Then Trayvon run, Zimmer foot pursued, 911 dispatcher said "you don't need to do that"
                          instead "meet officer in area"
                          "Do you reside there ?"
                          "What your apartment# ? What your name ?"
                          911 dispatcher sounds completely handling Zimmer as civilian.

                          Background of 911 call, I don't hear Zimmer talked to Trayvon "Please stop" "Sir can I talk to you ?" "Excuse me, I'm neighborhood watch" anything but Zimmer's breath when he chased Trayvon.
                          I doubt Zimmer wear any type of uniform or any sign shows "neighborhood watch".
                          No doubt young black Trayvon was fear as hell to be chased by unknown big white guy.

                          next 911 call from neighbor, all you can hear is poor kid screaming for help then gun shot.
                          also two witnesses say they keep hearing Trayvon crying till they heard gun shot.

                          I wasn't there, but I just assume Black Kid walking at night, he encounter potential threat(Zimmer).
                          he turned around and run.
                          Zimmer chase, reach to Trayvon.
                          Trayvon screaming for help in background of neighbor's 911 call (Zimmer beating Trayvon up)
                          Trayvon try to defend himself then get shot.
                          Who was doing self defense ?

                          at first place, No uniform/no badge big white guy stared at black teenager then chased with no uniform/no badge and no authority.

                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-MMPdL5PP0

                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okGY4EHwHsY

                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9jRPsn5S3Q
                          According to one eye witness account, Zimmerman was the one yelling for help while being beat on the ground. http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/new...erman-03232012

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                          • #14
                            All of that is moot to me. Zimmerman shouldn't have been there, period. He's already called police, he should have stayed in his car and been eyes for them as best he could. But he got out of his vehicle (armed) and went looking for a suspicious person.

                            I've seen some young (and not so young) security officers and police officers do things like that, and most times in my experiance it's no harm/no foul but it's really dumb (see my Officer Tommy story).

                            I always tell my guys that when they are off duty, the BEST thing to do is be a good witness unless someone is in danger right now, that badge with the word police on it in your pocket might be called a shield, but there is nothing magical about it.

                            I hope the neighborhood watch guy never gets a job in Law Enforcement/Private Security/Public Safety, he's already proven that his judgement is at best suspect.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by msovfin View Post
                              According to one eye witness account, Zimmerman was the one yelling for help while being beat on the ground. http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/new...erman-03232012
                              I agree that could been happened.
                              But....if so, why Trayvon attacked Zimmerman ?
                              Not rob not love triangle, not hate crime, they don't know each other.
                              Witness John didn't see how it started.

                              As far as we know as fact was
                              Zimmerman called 911 then he said he is going to follow Tryvon (against dispatcher told to Zimmerman what he should do)
                              His breath sounds like running not waking.
                              He also said "Those assholes always get away" and call ended.
                              He did not "follow", he was chasing.

                              Zimmerman may have been ambushed by Trayvon.
                              Zimmerman has Broken nose and blood on back of his head.
                              He may have tripped and fell or hit by Trayvon with hard object (especially back of head)

                              Why Trayvon attacked (if so) Zimmerman ?
                              because Zimmerman's action was suspicious wasn't it?

                              If I see someone stared at me in parked vehicle when I came back from nearby store to my friend's house at night, He (guy in vehicle) is suspicious enough to me.
                              Then he got off vehicle and followed me, I got red alert !
                              I might call 911 or run to safe place or yell to somebody for help, some people attack back before being attacked.
                              When I run, he runs....I will prepare for fight to defend myself.

                              If Zimmerman was in Uniformed security, or wore vest shows "Neighborhood watch" it might had been whole different outcome.

                              I assume PI/PI assistants, plain cloth security, Repo men may feel same way many times.
                              People may think them as suspicious person.
                              If someone follow me at night, 80% of my mind said I'm in danger.
                              Not many but few chauffeurs are armed to protect clients.

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