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  • Jackhole
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    Originally posted by Mr. Security
    Since when did I say that I was only referring to speeding??
    When you responded to my post that only referenced speed enforcement, that's when.

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  • Mr. Security
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    Originally posted by aka Bull
    Not disagreeing with you Mr Security.

    But here in my city you might find a few who do:


    Seriously though our PD has a 28 officer motorcycle cop unit, and you're gonna run across them quite a bit in the city. People whine about it, but I say - if you're following the traffic laws you haven't got to worry.
    Agreed. In my area, the police pull people over all the time, but it's usually resolved with a verbal or written warning. The traffic violators have figured this out and they keep driving like idiots. Exceeding the speed limit by 20-25 mph, tailgating w/intent to harass, rolling through stop signs or not even slowing down at all, driving w/ expired registration stickers, and the list goes on. I just bought a new mid-size car for my wife with all the airbags I could get to protect her from these kamikazes.

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  • aka Bull
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    Originally posted by Mr. Security
    Ideally, that is the preferred method of enforcement. However, with rampant disrespect and outright contempt for authority, there's no way for the police to effectively enforce traffic laws. There are too many other crimes that require priority and too few LEO's to police it all.
    Not disagreeing with you Mr Security.

    But here in my city you might find a few who do:

    By BILL HETHCOCK THE GAZETTE
    The Colorado Springs Gazette
    June 30

    Here's something to be proud of as Independence Day draws near: Colorado Springs is one of the top speed traps in America, according to the National Motorists Association. More on this topic The city ranked fourth behind Detroit, Washington, D.C., and Orlando, Fla., and ahead of Houston, Virginia Beach, Va.; Austin, Texas; Baton Rouge, La.; Nashville, Tenn.; and Fresno, Calif.
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    Cops are finding plenty of time for traffic laws.

    Seriously though our PD has a 28 officer motorcycle cop unit, and you're gonna run across them quite a bit in the city. People whine about it, but I say - if you're following the traffic laws you haven't got to worry.

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  • Mr. Security
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    Originally posted by HotelSecurity
    How do they make sure the person who was driving the car gets the ticket & not the owner of the car?
    They don't. The ticket is issued to the registered owner, and because they can't prove (yet ) who was driving, the ticket is just a fine w/ no points issued to the owner's license.

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  • HotelSecurity
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    Originally posted by Mr. Security
    Jack,

    NYC issues tickets using time-activated cameras all the time for people who run red lights. I'm all for this type of enforcement.
    How do they make sure the person who was driving the car gets the ticket & not the owner of the car?

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  • Mr. Security
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    Originally posted by Jackhole
    Since when is a "failure to obey a traffic control device" ticket a speeding ticket?
    Since when did I say that I was only referring to speeding?? My post said, "traffic enforcement." That includes running lights. Good grief!

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  • Jackhole
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    Originally posted by Mr. Security
    Jack,

    NYC issues tickets using time-activated cameras all the time for people who run red lights. I'm all for this type of enforcement.
    Since when is a "failure to obey a traffic control device" ticket a speeding ticket?

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  • Mr. Security
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    Originally posted by aka Bull
    I swaid previously that I have no problem with cameras in public places, especially in areas of high crime to aid police in enforcement. I did also say the difficulty comes in monitoring and having units free to respond.

    But, to traffic cameras. I lived in an area in California that used cameras at traffic intersections to catch those running the lights. Funny how a year after they were installed it was determined that the company contracted to operate the system was found to have shortened the timing of the yellow lights, from what was legally required, in order to push up the number of people being cited. While this may not have directly profited the companies bottom line, it would indirectly when they used the "effectiveness" of their system in promotional campaigns to get other cities to buy into their system.

    I know years ago when I worked in Maine you could take the toll road and it was not unheard of for a driver to get cited when he paid his/her toll at the exiting end. Since the distances were known and the ticket timestamped.....

    For now I'd rather leave it to the leos to enforce traffic laws.
    Ideally, that is the preferred method of enforcement. However, with rampant disrespect and outright contempt for authority, there's no way for the police to effectively enforce traffic laws. There are too many other crimes that require priority and too few LEO's to police it all.

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  • aka Bull
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    I swaid previously that I have no problem with cameras in public places, especially in areas of high crime to aid police in enforcement. I did also say the difficulty comes in monitoring and having units free to respond.

    But, to traffic cameras. I lived in an area in California that used cameras at traffic intersections to catch those running the lights. Funny how a year after they were installed it was determined that the company contracted to operate the system was found to have shortened the timing of the yellow lights, from what was legally required, in order to push up the number of people being cited. While this may not have directly profited the companies bottom line, it would indirectly when they used the "effectiveness" of their system in promotional campaigns to get other cities to buy into their system.

    I know years ago when I worked in Maine you could take the toll road and it was not unheard of for a driver to get cited when he paid his/her toll at the exiting end. Since the distances were known and the ticket timestamped.....

    For now I'd rather leave it to the leos to enforce traffic laws.

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  • Mr. Security
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    Originally posted by Jackhole
    I disagree. In NY, you need 2 speed verification methods in order to issue a traffic ticket and only 1 can be electronic. There's no human trained in speed estimation to verify the ticket before it's issued.

    For example, I got a letter in the mail from E-ZPass stating that I drove through the lane at 23 MPH. I never go through faster than 15 MPH. There's your error right there.
    Jack,

    NYC issues tickets using time-activated cameras all the time for people who run red lights. I'm all for this type of enforcement.

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  • HotelSecurity
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    Many years ago Quebec had photo radar. They stopped using it when the points system came in for the drivers licenses. The tickets were mailed to & points were taken off of the OWNER of the car not always the driver.

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  • HotelSecurity
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    Many years ago Quebec had ohoto radar. They stopped using it when the points system came in for the drivers licenses. The tickets were mailed to & points were taken off of the OWNER of the car not always the driver.

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  • Jackhole
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    Originally posted by Mr. Security
    The more cameras the better as far as I'm concerned. I hope the practice of using cameras for traffic enforcement will increase too.
    I disagree. In NY, you need 2 speed verification methods in order to issue a traffic ticket and only 1 can be electronic. There's no human trained in speed estimation to verify the ticket before it's issued.

    For example, I got a letter in the mail from E-ZPass stating that I drove through the lane at 23 MPH. I never go through faster than 15 MPH. There's your error right there.

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  • Mr. Security
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    The more cameras the better as far as I'm concerned. I hope the practice of using cameras for traffic enforcement will increase too.

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  • HotelSecurity
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    Montreal is expanding the use of cameras in certain areas. One of the first places they were used was on a street known for high drug use. Since the cameras were installed the drug users & dealers have moved onto nearby residential side streets. Not exactly a better situation.

    From personal knowledge. Cameras do not prevent crime. If monitored they might decrease response time. A recent study in Britain (which apparently has the most public cameras) agrees with my belief.

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