Florida Security Guard Kills Federal Agent

[Jackhole]

I'd love to know who the original story was, and if they have an agenda. The Faternal Order of Police at national and state levels vehemently opposes the privization of corrections. (Note, of course, that they only represent sworn correctional officers. Non-sworn jailers like we have up here are on their own. They can be privitized and the FOP don't care, they're not cops.)

Just because you're a jailor and not a cop, doesn't mean you're not sworn. They're peace officers here in NY.

[N. A. Corbier]

Just because you're a jailor and not a cop, doesn't mean you're not sworn. They're peace officers here in NY.

Um... In Wisconsin, you are a non-sworn jailer unless the county sheriff decides to take the House of Corrections under his agency and swear you as a correctional deputy.

They will not do that, because it means less jobs and less overtime potential for the deputies, and the union has a fit if the Sheriff tries to create less overtime potential for deputies.

[Jackhole]

Um... In Wisconsin, you are a non-sworn jailer unless the county sheriff decides to take the House of Corrections under his agency and swear you as a correctional deputy.

They will not do that, because it means less jobs and less overtime potential for the deputies, and the union has a fit if the Sheriff tries to create less overtime potential for deputies.

I guess I don't follow. County jails aren't run by the Sheriff? Who's working in these jails if they're not Jail Deputies?

In NY, each county's jail is run by the Sheriff and the personnel working inside are sworn jail deputies (peace officers). State correctional facilities are run by the NYS Department of Correctional Services and the personnel working inside are Correctional Officers (also peace officers). A police officer would never work in a jail or correctional facility.

There is no one in the state charged with the supervision of county or state inmates that's not a sworn peace officer.

[N. A. Corbier]

I guess I don't follow. County jails aren't run by the Sheriff? Who's working in these jails if they're not Jail Deputies?

In NY, each county's jail is run by the Sheriff and the personnel working inside are sworn jail deputies (peace officers). State correctional facilities are run by the NYS Department of Correctional Services and the personnel working inside are Correctional Officers (also peace officers). A police officer would never work in a jail or correctional facility.

There is no one in the state charged with the supervision of county or state inmates that's not a sworn peace officer.

The County itself may run a "House of Corrections." Jailers aren't considered LEOs here. They don't need to be. The Sheriff can hire civilians who work the jails. They are not armed. They have no powers of arrest other than citizen. They basically babysit the prisoners. They are civilian employees of the County Sheriff, at that time. They only need a 2 week jailer course, then.

If a prisoner is to be transported, a deputy sheriff in the detention center is called to transport. Court appearances? Deputy Sheriff takes them.

Some Sheriffs elect to use sworn deputy sheriffs to fufill the needs of a civilian jailer. They must be fully WI POST certified. They may use weapons, etc.

Just this year was the state prison guard (Now called a correctional officer) given "protective services" classification for the state law enforcement pension system. Before this, they were considered non-LEOs by the state retirement fund, and were not eligible.

Also, something to consider. In Florida, a full Sheriff's Deputy is a correctional officer. He is a full deputy, and can do road work. He just works in the jail.

[Jackhole]

The County itself may run a "House of Corrections." Jailers aren't considered LEOs here. They don't need to be. The Sheriff can hire civilians who work the jails. They are not armed. They have no powers of arrest other than citizen. They basically babysit the prisoners. They are civilian employees of the County Sheriff, at that time. They only need a 2 week jailer course, then.

If a prisoner is to be transported, a deputy sheriff in the detention center is called to transport. Court appearances? Deputy Sheriff takes them.

Some Sheriffs elect to use sworn deputy sheriffs to fufill the needs of a civilian jailer. They must be fully WI POST certified. They may use weapons, etc.

Just this year was the state prison guard (Now called a correctional officer) given "protective services" classification for the state law enforcement pension system. Before this, they were considered non-LEOs by the state retirement fund, and were not eligible.

Also, something to consider. In Florida, a full Sheriff's Deputy is a correctional officer. He is a full deputy, and can do road work. He just works in the jail.

I never realized how out of whack some states are. Here, there are 4 types of Sheriff's Deputies: Road Deputies (full police powers), Jail Deputies (peace officer), Civil Deputies (peace officer) and Court Deputies (armed peace officers). All of these people are Deputy Sheriffs, but only the road Deputies are police officers.

[Charger]

I never realized how out of whack some states are. Here, there are 4 types of Sheriff's Deputies: Road Deputies (full police powers), Jail Deputies (peace officer), Civil Deputies (peace officer) and Court Deputies (armed peace officers). All of these people are Deputy Sheriffs, but only the road Deputies are police officers.

It's essentially the same in Oregon as well.. Correction Officers are Deputies and carry all the same rights/priviledges as the Patrol guys... Only difference is they don't carry a sidearm inside the facility. (They're checked into lockers near the control centers)
I'm still learning the specifics of the system here in Washington, but from what I understand so far it's pretty much the same, except that there's a state Department of Corrections that oversees the whole system, down to the city/county jails.

I can't remember which state it is, but I heard a while back that a midwestern state had actually hired Wackenhut to provide it's Correction Officers and Court Officers..

[N. A. Corbier]

It's essentially the same in Oregon as well.. Correction Officers are Deputies and carry all the same rights/priviledges as the Patrol guys... Only difference is they don't carry a sidearm inside the facility. (They're checked into lockers near the control centers)
I'm still learning the specifics of the system here in Washington, but from what I understand so far it's pretty much the same, except that there's a state Department of Corrections that oversees the whole system, down to the city/county jails.

I can't remember which state it is, but I heard a while back that a midwestern state had actually hired Wackenhut to provide it's Correction Officers and Court Officers..

Several states use private corrections. Florida uses Wackenhut. Correctional Associates of America (?) controls a lot of Wisconsin jails. Their prisoner transport buses (huge things) roll through my town all the time.

Keep in mind. Under WI law, these jailers on these buses are unarmed. They're not LEOs, they don't get to carry guns.

[GCMC Security]

I can't remember which state it is, but I heard a while back that a midwestern state had actually hired Wackenhut to provide it's Correction Officers and Court Officers..

Wackenhut Services, Inc and Corrections Corporation of America are the 2 largest providers of private corrections.

[Jackhole]

It's essentially the same in Oregon as well.. Correction Officers are Deputies and carry all the same rights/priviledges as the Patrol guys... Only difference is they don't carry a sidearm inside the facility.

The Jail deputies ARE deputies here, but they're not police officers. A jail deputy could never work on the road and a road deputy could never work in the jail. Just because your title is "Deputy" doesn't mean you're a police officer with full arrest powers. Even the person who sits behind a desk in the office and processes pistol permit applications is a deputy. The term "deputy" just means you've been charged with some responsibility by the Sheriff, it doesn't imply any law enforcement capability.

[Guest]

California uses both systems. The state prisons are run by either the California Department of Corrections (CDC) who handle adult offenders or the California Youth Authority (CYA) who handle juvenile offenders. The Correctional Officers of both entities are sworn peace officers who have their status 24/7. CDC officers are permitted to carry a loaded and concealed firearm off duty. The last I heard CYA officers are forbidden by their department policy from carrying off duty, but this might have changed.

County jails are run by the county sheriffs. About half the counties in the state have Correctional Deputies who are sworn peace officers. However, Correctional Deputies do not attend a full Basic Police Academy and cannot work patrol. I do not know which sheriffs have granted their Correctional Deputies the right to carry off duty. The other half use Deputy Sheriffs to staff their jails, and those deputies have graduated from a full Basic academy and are waiting for a patrol position to open up.

City jails, which are usually just temporary holding facilities until the arrestee is transported to the county jail, are run by city police departments. Most cities use non-sworn "jailers" to run their facility. Only one city I know of, Anaheim in Orange County, employs sworn "Correctional Officers" to administer their jail. Those Correctional Officers get the same training as Correctional Deputies. A few cities use Wackenhut to run their jails. Azusa in Los Angeles County and Seal Beach in Orange County are the only two I can think of, but I know there are a few more.

[N. A. Corbier]

The Jail deputies ARE deputies here, but they're not police officers. A jail deputy could never work on the road and a road deputy could never work in the jail. Just because your title is "Deputy" doesn't mean you're a police officer with full arrest powers. Even the person who sits behind a desk in the office and processes pistol permit applications is a deputy. The term "deputy" just means you've been charged with some responsibility by the Sheriff, it doesn't imply any law enforcement capability.

In the State of New York. Some states specifically state what a Deputy Sheriff is, and limit the Sheriff in what powers he may give his deputies. In Florida, a Deputy Sheriff retains all the powers of the Sheriff. They act in his steed. It is also illegal to call a non-LEO deputy a "deputy sheriff," as they are not sworn law enforcement officers and statute specifically states that a sheriff's deputy is a LEO.

[Jackhole]

In the State of New York. Some states specifically state what a Deputy Sheriff is, and limit the Sheriff in what powers he may give his deputies. In Florida, a Deputy Sheriff retains all the powers of the Sheriff. They act in his steed. It is also illegal to call a non-LEO deputy a "deputy sheriff," as they are not sworn law enforcement officers and statute specifically states that a sheriff's deputy is a LEO.

I'm so glad I live in New York sometimes.