Florida Security Guard Kills Federal Agent

[N. A. Corbier]

From Officer.com...

http://www.officer.com/article/article.jsp?siteSection=2&id=31154

A furious gun battle erupted inside a federal prison Wednesday when a guard opened fire on FBI agents who had come to arrest him and several others on charges of having sex with female inmates in exchange for money, alcohol and pot. Two people were killed and another was wounded.

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Everyone's running this as the gunman was a security guard. Till I see indications otherwise, this is probably one of the private prisons that uses D officers. The State has shut down their licensing portal today, most likely overwhelmed by people looking up the guard's licensing info.

[EMTGuard]

What facility was this? No where in the article did it name the detention facility. Are they TRYING to be vague? That's what is so wrong with the media these days. No attention to details.

[aka Bull]

According to several articles I've read on this incident the facility it occurred at is a Federal Detention Center next to the Federal Correctional Institution facility (minimum security female facility) outside Tallahassee. The officers were routinely assigned to either facility.

The officers in questions would be Bureau of Prisons officers, not private security guards.

Here is an article in the Tallahassee Democrat newspaper on the incident.

http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs...606220344/1082

[N. A. Corbier]

I've asked around, and have been told that they're contract security guards who are hired by the detention facility.

I can't get a straight answer, so I ran with what most of the articles are saying. If someone can show proof that they're federal agents, or security guards, or detention deputies... I'd love to see it.

[N. A. Corbier]

I've asked around, and have been told that they're contract security guards who are hired by the detention facility.

I can't get a straight answer, so I ran with what most of the articles are saying. If someone can show proof that they're federal agents, or security guards, or detention deputies... I'd love to see it.

[Bill Warnock]

I've asked around, and have been told that they're contract security guards who are hired by the detention facility.

I can't get a straight answer, so I ran with what most of the articles are saying. If someone can show proof that they're federal agents, or security guards, or detention deputies... I'd love to see it.

Nathan:
They are federal employees a part of the Federal Bureau of Prisons system. This was a two year ongoing investigation. As I was told, they may carry privately owned weapons, but must put them in a lock box prior to entering the corrections area of the facility.
Further, the corrections officer in question went to the lobby to retrieve his POW and then opened fire on the DOJ and FBI agents. DOJ agent was killed as was the the corrections officer.
Stuff like that happens at all levels of city, county, state and federal.
Enjoy the day,
Bill

[N. A. Corbier]

Nathan:
They are federal employees a part of the Federal Bureau of Prisons system. This was a two year ongoing investigation. As I was told, they may carry privately owned weapons, but must put them in a lock box prior to entering the corrections area of the facility.
Further, the corrections officer in question went to the lobby to retrieve his POW and then opened fire on the DOJ and FBI agents. DOJ agent was killed as was the the corrections officer.
Stuff like that happens at all levels of city, county, state and federal.
Enjoy the day,
Bill

Ok, so the AP and every other news source is calling the security guards for no reason, other than to make it sound like security guards are trying to kill cops.

I'd love to know who the original story was, and if they have an agenda. The Faternal Order of Police at national and state levels vehemently opposes the privization of corrections. (Note, of course, that they only represent sworn correctional officers. Non-sworn jailers like we have up here are on their own. They can be privitized and the FOP don't care, they're not cops.)

[aka Bull]

It seems that new services like to call any protection force "guards" who are not police officers or federal agents.

The officers being arrested were Bureau of Prisons correctional officers, according to the press release below the BOP stated it was an exchange of gunfire "between federal law enforcement officers".

http://www.bop.gov/news/press/press_...L_shooting.pdf

[N. A. Corbier]

It seems that new services like to call any protection force "guards" who are not police officers or federal agents.

The officers being arrested were Bureau of Prisons correctional officers, according to the press release below the BOP stated it was an exchange of gunfire "between federal law enforcement officers".

http://www.bop.gov/news/press/press_...L_shooting.pdf

After a quick jaunt on YouTube, I understand where they get it from. People don't believe a "Security Guard" can posesss weapons, and the more they hear "Guard Killed By Cop," the worse off the profession looks.

[kingsman]

Federal Bureau if Prisons officers go thru a 3 week training class at FLETC, same place I took customs training. most of them coming thru there looked like thugs to us.

[N. A. Corbier]

To a Marine, Air Force guys look like hippies. I've met cops who during their off duty hours look like Gangstas. Yet they're able to function as police officers on duty.

[aka Bull]

Federal Bureau if Prisons officers go thru a 3 week training class at FLETC, same place I took customs training. most of them coming thru there looked like thugs to us.

I worked in corrections as an officer at both state and county levels in my past and I have had the comment made to me that we looked like "goons". It is an old stereotype that corrections officers have a smaller IQ that their hat size.

It is unfortunate that such stereotypes continue the deviseness that occurs between professions. Judge the person not the profession.

[Bill Warnock]

I worked in corrections as an officer at both state and county levels in my past and I have had the comment made to me that we looked like "goons". It is an old stereotype that corrections officers have a smaller IQ that their hat size.

It is unfortunate that such stereotypes continue the deviseness that occurs between professions. Judge the person not the profession.

aka Bull:
Anyone who has had a talk with folks that guard, house or move prisoners can say with a degree of certainty that this not for the dim witted or to whom thoughts come slowly. Prisoners are crafty and savvy. They are always looking for a weakness in the system. System includes correction officers.
In regards to Kingman's posting, I've gone to FLETC on several occasions to instruct Court Security Officers, Deputy US Marshals and foreign nationals on the use and limitations of security screening equipment. During one visit, while in the mess hall, I asked one of the USMS instructors who were those group of men sitting around by themselves and apparently guarded by others, all of whom looked like they were unkept street people. These are BOP officers in training. It was explained this was an experiment to see if they took away the "Military Look" from officers it they could then better manage inmates. Tomorrow, those guarding, would be seated at the table eating. It was an ongoing effort by the federal government to get an edge on a very dangerous occupation. All federal, state, county and city corrections officials make it their business to keep fit, working out at the gym to stay in tiptop shape. In many instances, the inmates do nothing but workout and add bulk to defend themselves against other inmates and seek an advantage in dealing with corrections officers.
Enjoy the day,
Bill

[N. A. Corbier]

Jail is a processing facility. For those who want to: They learn a trade or skill to tide them over in the "real world." While their doing that, they also bulk up, make bones with an affiliation, learn the skills to make themselves better in their choice of criminal enterprise, pass intelligence data to their superiors, recieve instructions form their superiors near their release date, learn the legal system better so that they may better defend themselves and others using it (jailhouse lawyer)...

Its a processing center.

[aka Bull]

Correctional work is nothing more than police work. A micro-society exists in confinement facilities requiring "cops" to police the "streets". The only difference correctional staff have from street policing is the knowledge that any "citizen" we contact is a bad guy. Officers must use the same skills as any patrol officer to maintain his safety and carry out his duties.

A correctional officer knows, or should know, that the authority and control we exercise inside a facility is only with the willingness of the population we police. While inmates hate officers, they also know they need staff to be the balance between some semblemce of order and utter chaos.

Also, while officers gain experience in their profession, inmates become experienced in their "profession" as well. The hope and goal is for the "cops" to always be smarter than the crooks.

It just bothers me when I hear the kind of general statements stereotyping corrections, or for that matter cops, security, or any other professional group doing work for the safety and good of the people.

I'll get off my soap box now. My apologies for the tirade.