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  • aka Bull
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    Note: Please understand this post is not passing judgement on this topic.

    While using "creative" methods to resolve a situation can be humorous when they work, they can possibly also lead to bad endings.

    Being creative like this is fine as long as one has a solid backup plan should the situation begin to escalate higher. In the end you may have to be prepared to confront a level of threat you didn't consider when you got creative.

    This is, IMO, an element of meeting the (to borrow from Star Trek) "Prime Directive" - going end of duty as healthy as when you came on duty.

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  • Bill Warnock
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    Originally posted by Jackhole
    I wouldn't call pretending to have a dog or gun "minimal risk."
    Jackhole:
    I don't like to play pretend; however, there are times you have to wing it and pray to God you made the correct choice. Situations are thrust upon you; you did not seek the situation, it sought you.
    Enjoy the day,
    Bill

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  • Jackhole
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    Originally posted by mh892
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    Well, we call it;

    Adjusting to the situation in order to carry out the assigned task with minimal risk, exposure and time expenditure.
    I wouldn't call pretending to have a dog or gun "minimal risk."

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  • mh892
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    Originally posted by Jackhole
    Why would you call on duty with a K-9 if you did not have a dog with you?

    I could never do anything like what is described in this thread, too "rent-a-cop," IMO. If I don't have it, I'm not threatening to use it.
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    Well, we call it;

    Adjusting to the situation in order to carry out the assigned task with minimal risk, exposure and time expenditure.

    Or. Ya do what ya gotta do. Then you go home.

    I am a very expensive 'Rent-A-Cop'. The Gummit pays me to be decietfull (sp?).
    Last edited by mh892; 06-21-2006, 07:49 AM.

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  • HotelSecurity
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    Originally posted by Bill Warnock
    Priceless Nathan, priceless.
    We arrested two men who were adjudged as Habitual Offenders. Somehow, they were bonded out.
    The next day, I met up with one of them at a department store. He told me that I was going to pay for what "I" had done to him and his friend. He did not display a weapon but started to advance toward me. With my left hand, I unbuttoned my jacket and put my right hand at belt level and waited. He got back into his car and drove. I reported the incident to my supervisor and the bond was revoked. At that time we were not allowed to carry sidearms when we wore civilian clothes. That quickly changed.
    Just like you, I employed what is referred to as "officer presence." Most of the time it works.
    Enjoy the day,
    Bill
    Got a car theif out of a car by Yelling at him to "put his hands on his head & get out of the car" with my hand inside my pocket pretending to have a gun. When we used to escort the bar & restaurant cashiers at the end of their shifts to make their deposits we used to do it then too.

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  • Lawson
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    Originally posted by Jackhole
    Why would you call on duty with a K-9 if you did not have a dog with you?

    I could never do anything like what is described in this thread, too "rent-a-cop," IMO. If I don't have it, I'm not threatening to use it.
    I have deployed this tactic before. It is actually quite common. In general, people have a carnal fear of dogs and their bite. People also know authority figures (i.e. cops, military, security, etc...) deploy dogs for certain situations. I have never made an apprehension because of it. But whenever I have approached a building that was unsecure and I called out into it for people to come out, I typically would make the "You better come out or I'm going to let the dog loose on you" announcement. Not rent-a-cop at all in my opinion. Cops deploy this tactic just as well.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Originally posted by Jackhole
    Why would you call on duty with a K-9 if you did not have a dog with you?

    I could never do anything like what is described in this thread, too "rent-a-cop," IMO. If I don't have it, I'm not threatening to use it.
    You remind me of someone, did you know that?

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  • hrdickinson
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    Academy Award Winner

    You guys be careful out there!

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  • jeff194307
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    This did not happen to me, but it fits the thread. In the late eighties when I worked at a mall, another company did security for an apartment complex next door. Their officer knew me and told me about this story. He responded to a domestic dispute and when he arrived, the male half was outside the apartment and carrying a shotgun. My friend took a bladed stance and yelled "armed security, drop the shotgun" the guy complied withou further incident.

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  • Jackhole
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    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
    Oh, man. I love doing that. Had a guy (aggrivated stalking suspect) run into the woods. This was on a residential complex that I lived at as a teenager. Trust me, I knew that little strip of woods very well.

    I was dropping paperwork off to the on duty officer. This is when we all had radios. I call that I'm on duty, and out with the K-9. This guy, of course hears that I'm out with the K-9.

    In a loud voice, "Canine Officer! Come out with your hands on top of your head, fingers interlaced, palms up. Come out or I will release my dog! Come out or I will release my dog! You will be bit."

    I then jingled my keys.

    Guy screams, "F- I'm coming out!" Comes out, gets tackled by the on-duty officer, and is subsequently handcuffed. He wants to know where the dog was. I jingled my keys again.
    Why would you call on duty with a K-9 if you did not have a dog with you?

    I could never do anything like what is described in this thread, too "rent-a-cop," IMO. If I don't have it, I'm not threatening to use it.

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  • Bill Warnock
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    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
    Oh, man. I love doing that. Had a guy (aggrivated stalking suspect) run into the woods. This was on a residential complex that I lived at as a teenager. Trust me, I knew that little strip of woods very well.

    I was dropping paperwork off to the on duty officer. This is when we all had radios. I call that I'm on duty, and out with the K-9. This guy, of course hears that I'm out with the K-9.

    In a loud voice, "Canine Officer! Come out with your hands on top of your head, fingers interlaced, palms up. Come out or I will release my dog! Come out or I will release my dog! You will be bit."

    I then jingled my keys.

    Guy screams, "F- I'm coming out!" Comes out, gets tackled by the on-duty officer, and is subsequently handcuffed. He wants to know where the dog was. I jingled my keys again.
    Priceless Nathan, priceless.
    We arrested two men who were adjudged as Habitual Offenders. Somehow, they were bonded out.
    The next day, I met up with one of them at a department store. He told me that I was going to pay for what "I" had done to him and his friend. He did not display a weapon but started to advance toward me. With my left hand, I unbuttoned my jacket and put my right hand at belt level and waited. He got back into his car and drove. I reported the incident to my supervisor and the bond was revoked. At that time we were not allowed to carry sidearms when we wore civilian clothes. That quickly changed.
    Just like you, I employed what is referred to as "officer presence." Most of the time it works.
    Enjoy the day,
    Bill

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Oh, man. I love doing that. Had a guy (aggrivated stalking suspect) run into the woods. This was on a residential complex that I lived at as a teenager. Trust me, I knew that little strip of woods very well.

    I was dropping paperwork off to the on duty officer. This is when we all had radios. I call that I'm on duty, and out with the K-9. This guy, of course hears that I'm out with the K-9.

    In a loud voice, "Canine Officer! Come out with your hands on top of your head, fingers interlaced, palms up. Come out or I will release my dog! Come out or I will release my dog! You will be bit."

    I then jingled my keys.

    Guy screams, "F- I'm coming out!" Comes out, gets tackled by the on-duty officer, and is subsequently handcuffed. He wants to know where the dog was. I jingled my keys again.

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  • aka Bull
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    Very nice. Good thinking (and acting) on your part.

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  • bigdog
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    Thats funny. Ill bet they get permission next time.

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  • mh892
    started a topic Academy award winner?

    Academy award winner?

    So here I am. Doing what I do. I get this call. Can you respond.......? Top Security area has been breached (situation forwarded to me). Back up is about three minutes out.

    You don't just walk off the street and into this place. I pretty much knew what was going on. I am totaly aware of the surroundings and other variables. So I wasn't going into unfamiliar surroundings with total lack of knowledge.

    So. I approach and enter the facility. Sure enough. I hear a sound that shouldn't have been in here.

    I purposely walk down the corridor making loud, confident foot steps while making scratching sounds on the wall. Approach the breached area, and in a loud voice I says, "Sit, stay" Wait a few seconds and slowly push the door open with my foot while shineing a vary bright light into the room. "In the room. Security Officer and Security Dog. Say your name." No responce, so I make (you'll love this) a whineing sound like a dog.

    "O.K. Security Dog 'Off Leash'. Get on the floor and don't move. Sparky, search." Before I can finish saying it I hear, "No man. We're on the floor. No problem. We work here. Please don't turn the dog loose." I says, "Dog is Off Leash." He says, "Oh crap."

    By now I hear and see my back up coming down the corridor. "What you got?" Flipped on the lights and sure enough there on the floor are two petrified people not making a move.

    I tell back up I gotta go, "Its all yours."

    Later found that the two fellas worked there but had not obtained permission to be on site after working hours. And they had accessed this particular room when they heard the front door open. Later in the morning "Backup" asked me what I did with the 'Security Dog'. They said the two fellas were petrified and said it was the biggest dog they ever saw. Boy, were they confused.

    What is it someone says? Old Age and Treachery?

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