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    Hi, nice site! I'm honored to be a member. I work two separate shopping centers. One is across the street from a large high school. The other, one city over, is in an impoverished gang infested neighborhood. I get a lot of action in both, but particularly the one across from the high school. Several fights there, and only fight in the gang area. That one fight was much worse than the HS kids though.

    I deal with a great deal of rif raf; many of whom would try to exploit any dealings with a Security Officer. As I have become more attuned to these POSs I in turn have acquired a persona. Or should I say a "style"......

    I talk in a demeaning tone to HS students, I talk like a drill sergeant to the gang members. I say things like "I have instructed you to this...." "What are you going to do with that skateboard besides make me mad?" If someone has any beef I either call their bluff instantly or ignore them in way that really puts them down.

    For example.

    POS gangster's girlfriend comes up to me after her boyfriend and fellow banger have been arrested for selling dope in the parking lot. Thanks to me of course. She accuses me of calling the "po-pos". The first thing I said to throw the ball back into her court: "I dont beleive you." She continued to troll at my authority so I gave her a swift "You should not even be addressing me, and if you do again it will be 'sir yes sir'."

    I have a CCW and I pack %100 the time. I also carry OC and stun gun.

    Well, with that being said whats your style? How have you found it works for your circumstances?

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    I feel that i get respect because i treat people like i would want to be. I always use sir or mam when i talk to people. If the person i am dealing with turns out to become beligerant i will then get firmer. I dont get confrotational unless needed. I am in the military and can turn to be strict if i need to. I work in the mall and there are fights and stuff that happen. But we control it. I think the time of day depends on my attitude. If it is a day shift i think i am easier going then at night. I will usually give chances in the day but at night its game on.
    Robert
    Here endith the lesson

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    • #3
      Originally posted by The_Mayor
      Hi, nice site! I'm honored to be a member. I work two separate shopping centers. One is across the street from a large high school. The other, one city over, is in an impoverished gang infested neighborhood. I get a lot of action in both, but particularly the one across from the high school. Several fights there, and only fight in the gang area. That one fight was much worse than the HS kids though.

      I deal with a great deal of rif raf; many of whom would try to exploit any dealings with a Security Officer. As I have become more attuned to these POSs I in turn have acquired a persona. Or should I say a "style"......

      I talk in a demeaning tone to HS students, I talk like a drill sergeant to the gang members. I say things like "I have instructed you to this...." "What are you going to do with that skateboard besides make me mad?" If someone has any beef I either call their bluff instantly or ignore them in way that really puts them down.

      For example.

      POS gangster's girlfriend comes up to me after her boyfriend and fellow banger have been arrested for selling dope in the parking lot. Thanks to me of course. She accuses me of calling the "po-pos". The first thing I said to throw the ball back into her court: "I dont beleive you." She continued to troll at my authority so I gave her a swift "You should not even be addressing me, and if you do again it will be 'sir yes sir'."

      I have a CCW and I pack %100 the time. I also carry OC and stun gun.

      Well, with that being said whats your style? How have you found it works for your circumstances?

      Um, Cali Bureau of Security allows carded guards to carry CCWs on their civilian CCW license?

      I would be carrying alot more than OC and a stun gun, if I were antagonzing gang bangers. I played the gang banger game, where they try you, and you look at them, shake your head, and walk away. When they touch you, you tell them nicely to never do that again. Then, you detain them for battery when you pushed them away and they swung at you, since you feared the individual wasn't going to stop attacking you till you put them in handcuffs, since you pushed them away and they kept coming.

      The drill instructor thing works, sometimes.

      My 'style' is based on how I was trained, and how I trained probationary officers as an FTO for my previous employer. You never threaten, you only state what WILL happen. You never make a threat or ultimatum you cannot back up personally, or can guarantee someone else can. Everyone gets treated with respect, even while your kicking their ass across the entire courtyard. And finally, everyone goes home, with priority being to yourself, then the client, then the suspect. If someone can't go home, then that priority table is followed on who gets to.
      Some Kind of Commando Leader

      "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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      • #4
        Mayor I would check on that as you can not carry a firearm on duty unless you are certified by state. Also i dont believe you can carry concealed while on duty. What part of california are you from i am from fairfield.
        Robert
        Here endith the lesson

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        • #5
          I live and work in the North Bay. The carrying is legal as its for "personal protection", not "in the discharge of security duties."

          I'm all about TactCom or Tactical Communications. No threats. You do what I tell you to do OR this is what happens ( insert something uncomfortable or undesirable here).


          "We can do this the easy way or the hard way.....its up to you."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by EMTFirefighter
            Troll at your authority? You're a security guard, you have the same authority as any private citizen. Don't argue with these idiots, just do your job and go home safe. You don't make enough money doing mall security to get hurt at your job.
            Agreed.

            ________

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            • #7
              Originally posted by EMTFirefighter
              Troll at your authority? You're a security guard, you have the same authority as any private citizen. Don't argue with these idiots, just do your job and go home safe. You don't make enough money doing mall security to get hurt at your job.
              Keep in mind, that depending on the state, the security officer may have more authority than a private citizen. Not all security guards are required to carry square badges and are contracted to protect property only, and some states support that mission with extended powers, such as Texas.
              Some Kind of Commando Leader

              "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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              • #8
                Originally posted by EMTFirefighter
                This concept bewilders me. Security Officers don't recieve nearly enough training to be performing the duties you're describing.
                Please tell me where you are basing your opinion on? Your own state, where security guards recieve very limited training, or having actually researched the topic?

                You consistantly make generalities without backing them up.
                Some Kind of Commando Leader

                "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by EMTFirefighter
                  If you agree with me, then why do you act like you do?
                  First off,
                  If you want ANYONE to take your seriously than talk and use proper grammar like an adult. "If you agree with me, then why dont you act like you do?

                  Secondly,
                  I have found that your posts are just full of generalizations. I DO have more powers than a citizen while I'm on duty. Heres just one for you JO, I issue parking citations. What citizen issues parking citations in my shopping centers?

                  Third,
                  You assert that Seurity Officers do not receive enough training to perform our duties. I have ample training under my State and a certification. I suppose you could try something in front of me and find out the hard way that you can be arrested by a Security Officer.

                  Other than that. Go to a grammar school... and have some sources if your going to speak of "facts".

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by EMTFirefighter
                    I don't really want to put anyone down, but my statement had perfect grammar, spelling and punctuation. Something your posts lack severely.
                    Originally posted by EMTFirefighter
                    If you agree with with me, than why do you act like you do?
                    So the above is grammatically correct? Than your an idiot for asking this question. If I agree with you than why shouldn't I act that way? They say the average person has an 8th grade education...so I'll do my best to keep it at your level. Highlight these parts of my posts where my grammar lacks severely. Oh wait, you cant because your just a troll without an intelligent response aren't you?

                    Originally posted by EMTFirefighter
                    Anyway, when I was employed as a security guard at a shopping center, I issued parking citations also. That makes me a private citizen, licensed as a security guard, issuing bogus parking citatations that could be thrown away when they were recieved by the RO.
                    Again another generalization from who. But thats okay, I expect ignorance from you. If you dont pay or contest and win one of my citations the DMV will not register your car.

                    Why did you go from past tense to present tense while speaking of your alleged "security guard" days?

                    Why are you on this board if you dont work in Security?

                    trolls, trolls, trolls, trolls, I deal with you people everyday.
                    Last edited by The_Mayor; 10-04-2005, 07:42 PM.

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                    • #11
                      I let people talk down to me, then, when they leave, I write a mall ticket and put in on their car.....Then I collect the tickets and maybe tow if I feel like it. Thats what I call a good day.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by EMTFirefighter
                        I don't know any state where security officers recieve enough training to do as you describe. You're basically decribing police-duties. Last I checked police officers were receieving over 800 hours in the academy. There's no private security receiving that much training.
                        Most of that training is not in force protection, either. The jobs of private security and law enforcement are different in some aspects, and similar in others.

                        Does a police officer, out of the academy, know how to engage in armed static defense of a site against armed advisarial groups? No. Can they be trained? Yes. Usually by someone who is not in law enforcement - the military, private security contractors, etc.

                        The job of a law enforcement officer is to investigate criminal acts and bring those accused before a magistrate or judge in the presiding jurisdiction. Eventually, they added "protect people," but in actuality, this is the protection of the public, not individual persons.

                        The job of private security has always been the protection of specific clientele, not society as a whole. Before there was public policing, people would hire their peers to protect them, and their property, from armed bandits, robbers, and other bad men. They did not need police powers, as the powers of the property owner to protect what is theirs, andd the powers of a private citizen to protect the life and liberty of themselves and others were all that was needed.

                        Fifty years ago, the police profession was NOT seen as a "real job," and only "stupid irishmen" could be police. Only within the last few decades have professional unions stood up and presented a unified public image of the police as a dedicated, honorable, profession. Once that happened, you started seeing college degrees for entrance, 800 hours of training, etc. Before, it was "can you shoot, can you fight?"

                        Eventually, professional unions will win, and the profession of private security will undergo the same transition that public policing did. This has happened with alot of industries, much to the hatred of industry leaders. Right now, there is a war between the security unions, the police unions, and the security companies over professionalism. Police unions fear what they have fought so hard being given to someone else, security unions want higher pay and more training for their members, and companies don't - they want to know who the hell is going to pay for all that.
                        Some Kind of Commando Leader

                        "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by EMTFirefighter
                          I've bolded your spelling and grammar errors, as you requested.
                          And you never corrected your own. But thats a good effort there youngster.

                          Originally posted by EMTFirefighter
                          I think I'm pathetic, I'm 22 years old and I use viagra. I'm just a looser and I pick my butt all day, trolling at these boards. No one likes me on Officer.com so I'm trolling at security guards now.
                          Hey, dont go so hard on yourself. Try and get some help.

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                            • #15
                              Standing at a 45 degree angle to the person, will, to the average person, disorientate them. They first will attempt to turn to meet you at a 90 degree angle, so they can talk "face to face," or physically attack.

                              Anyone who can deal with you at a 45 degree angle is a danger sign - it means they are either naturally able to deal with threats at off angles, or they have been trained to. Remember, they're hostile to you - that means that your a threat to them.

                              There is a "rule" that is easy to remember, the six and three rule. It goes, depending on situation:

                              If you are less than six feet away from me for more than three seconds, I will back you up.
                              If you are less than three feet away from me for more than six seconds, I will get hurt.
                              Some Kind of Commando Leader

                              "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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