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  • Duty Belt Layout

    Hi All, just wanted to know how those that wear a duty belt layout their gear?

    Thanks!

  • #2
    There should be old threads that cover this.
    http://forums.securityinfowatch.com/...ty+belt+layout
    Ethical Schizophrenia is the substance of heroes. -Frank Rich

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    • #3
      Try checking out http://batoncap.com

      Have used Hindi's system for years, at first completely by coincidence... you know, of course, that the true test of a person's intelligence is how much they agree with you?
      "I'll defend with my life your right to disagree with me" - anonymous

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      • #4
        There are a few threads up already (as long as they haven't been deleted, which I doubt they have.) about duty belt setups.

        Some deal with "unarmed" and others deal with "armed" setup. There is also some preference for personal comfort too that will come into play.
        "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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        • #5
          Duty Belt Configuration:


          My two cents-

          Handgun/Holster- obviously on your firing side hip (strong side). No cross draws or wearing a “tactical” (thigh holster) rig for normal patrol operations.

          Flashlight- positioned towards the rear of the belt, on the support side (weak/non-dominate) behind your extra magazine pouch and radio.

          Magazine Pouch (Primary) - positioned on the front of the support side of the belt- assists in proper indexing of the magazine during reloading.

          Collapsible Baton- positioned behind the handgun on the rear of the firing side of the belt (clear of the holster and handgun stocks/grips). Another option would be on the firing side of the belt in front of the holster.

          OC Pouch- positioned towards the front of the firing side of the belt, in front of the holster and the baton.

          Handcuffs- if you exceed your recommended BMI, you are probably running out of room; however, you do have space towards the rear of your belt. Be careful with placing handcuffs in this position. Long term wear in this configuration could cause chronic back and muscle (psoas) pain later in life.

          Remember: magazines and flashlights are considered support equipment and should be worn on the support side.

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          • #6
            I cannot remember the name of the LEO who came up with what I am about to describe, but I will look it up later at home and give him credit.

            He suggests having as much equipment available to both hands. WHen I wear a duty belt, this is my set up based on his teachings;

            1 o'clock- handcuff case

            2 o'clock- OC

            3 o'clock- handgun




            11 o'clock - double magazine case

            10 o'clock- baton

            9:30 ish= surefire

            6 o'clock- soft case with surgical gloves



            When I wear a radio the mic is centered on the chest
            Remember those who died, remember those who killed them.

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            • #7
              txinvestigator;

              That sounds like Bob Hindi (again); like I said earlier, I do just about the same layout when wearing a belt, because (1) I got tangled in my baton when drawing my pistol (one time); that was enough of that. (2) Got dumped on my butt during a scuffle (my partner got a foot between mine); everything hard immediately went to the front (it's hard to get up and rejoin the tussle when your lower backs in a cramp). and (3) The mags, cuffs, OC, etc being in front were how I was trained by Sheriff's Dept, many moons past (keep all the stuff that can be used against you in front).

              As you say, the added bennie is that you can use either hand to draw. This has come in handy during weddings, funerals, carnivals, parties... Ain't it fun when the knuckleheads are at war?
              "I'll defend with my life your right to disagree with me" - anonymous

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              • #8
                There's been a few threads...It's cool

                Going clockwise
                -Handcuff case with peerless chained handcuffs
                -Guard I Pipe/streamlight holder
                -Pager case
                -Med glove case
                -Handcuff case #2 peerless chained handcuffs
                -Radio holder
                -surefire 6P
                -Silent keyholder

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                • #9
                  A pic is worth a thousand words!
                  Attached Files

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ACS1719 View Post
                    A pic is worth a thousand words!
                    Nate, you wanna take this one?
                    July 1st, 2006, 0300 hrs- Sighted drunk; detained same. NFE.

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                    • #11
                      Here is my configuration, from left side going behind my back to my right side:

                      Pistol magazine holder
                      Duty keeper
                      Baton holder
                      Duty keeper
                      Radio holder
                      Duty keeper
                      Utility/Knife holder
                      Duty keeper
                      Flashlight holder
                      Key holder
                      Double handcuff holder
                      Duty keeper
                      Holster
                      Duty keeper
                      Rifle magazine holder
                      Duty keeper
                      Double handcuff holder
                      Cell phone holder

                      This doesn't include the thigh platforms I have that hold other fun toys courtesy of the US Government

                      I've found that having the extra duty keepers has essentially stopped my skin on my hips from getting rubbed raw.
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                      "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil" - Doug Patton

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 5423 View Post
                        txinvestigator;

                        That sounds like Bob Hindi
                        Exactly! I was a street cop for 10 years, and I wish I knew his system then.

                        It is too easy to carry waaay too much on the belt, and too easy to place it without giving much tactical thought to it. (see pics above)
                        Remember those who died, remember those who killed them.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by txinvestigator View Post
                          Exactly! I was a street cop for 10 years, and I wish I knew his system then.

                          It is too easy to carry waaay too much on the belt, and too easy to place it without giving much tactical thought to it. (see pics above)
                          I have been doing this type of work for a fairly long time and had my setup like that for years now. Never given me any problems even on the odd occasion when I have ended up on my back in a ground fight situation. If you know how to break fall and ground fight properly you will have minimal issues with equipment in the small of your back.

                          The pic may not show it but the equipment with the lowest profile is placed at the small of my back. As for the amount of gear... I have used everything I carry way more then once. I have deployed 2 sets of cuffs at once, I have come across a situation where a multitool was a life saving measure, and everything else on those belts just makes sense.

                          As for tactical considerations... I challenge you to use my setup (which is derived almost entirely from the Hindi SAFETY system). If you are in as good of shape as you should be for Security and LE work, then accessing almost everything on that belt with either hand is not very difficult.

                          I carry the handcuffs at the front of my belt for easy access when standing and for primary deployment. I carry the set on the back of my belt for those damn dogpiles where you cant get to the front of your belt and as a secondary deployment set.

                          The Multitool is well worth while for security and LE professionals (having done BOTH) as a way to carry out quick fixes and even to save a life when required.

                          The small pouch at the small of my back contains latex gloves. If you need that one explained then your in the wrong field.

                          Everything else is as per the Hindi SAFETY system and Bob Hindi himself explains it in his DVD

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ACS1719 View Post
                            I have been doing this type of work for a fairly long time and had my setup like that for years now. Never given me any problems even on the odd occasion when I have ended up on my back in a ground fight situation. If you know how to break fall and ground fight properly you will have minimal issues with equipment in the small of your back.
                            I did not intend to insult you or make you feel defensive. As far as the rest of your post and your challenge...........I have been doing LE and Security for over 25 years, I am trained in three styles of martial arts, and if you bothered to read my post rather than just react you will see that I carry gloves.

                            I stand by my opinion. The great thing about the internet is you are free to ignore what I wrote and do whatever you please. As am I.

                            I don't desire to have a dick measuring contest with you.

                            Stay safe
                            Remember those who died, remember those who killed them.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by txinvestigator View Post
                              I did not intend to insult you or make you feel defensive.
                              Doesn't matter what you intended when you're right lol. Anyone with any sense knows the whole "Bat Belt" approach is wrong, dangerous and just plain dumb. sorry if that sounds harsh, but we're all in aharsh business, and if people are so expert that they are not willing to listen to reason and science (lol), well, it's litterally their funeral ain't it...

                              keep doin what you're doin Tx.
                              ~Black Caesar~
                              Corbier's Commandos

                              " "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

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