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I used to work for a company that provided us ford escapes with green and white rotator bas, amber flashers, and other miscelaneous lights.. They made it a requirement that we have atleast the traffic bar on at all times, which was stupid since it only shows to the rear anyway. The line guys eventually gave in an bought portable white strobes and put them on the roof to cover that problem. We had an airhorn/pa but no siren. the cars werent well set up. They let management go through galls and pick stuff and he had no clue what would work and work good for us. They later came up with a requirment where you had to put parking cones in front and behind the car everytime you parked. Dumbest thing ever. We'd run with lights to emergencies and just use extreme care, but even the city police agreed we needed a siren and light upgrade.
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Originally posted by BadBoynMD View PostI haven't installed my siren in my PPV, as of yet. I doubt i'd ever have a need to use it, because the airhorn is a beautiful thing. Driver training, or EVOC (Emergency Vehicle Operations Course) is basically defensive tactical driving. You shouldn't need anything just to hit the siren button.
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I think the idea of always having lights on is like crying wolf, they are there to be seen but if there always on it's the same as the previously mentioned car alarm NO RESPONSE.
We use a red LED/Strobe bar and siren, nice and bright but still the few ignorant folks in the plant that don't realize that a lit up truck with siren activated means pull over (that's when I give em a steady phazer or air horn blast while on there bumper). Bur it still works allot better than when we were only running a yellow/white bar and no siren.
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I do not want them to stop for us thinking its our siren and then get invloved in an accident with the emergency vehicle after we cleared.QUOTE]
So wouldn't that be a reason NOT to have a siren?
My personal opinion is if it's a private community (gated and everything), than it's not public at all. If the SO's have sufficient training, they should be able to have the equipment, and enforce traffic laws too.
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Does anyone here have a siren in their patrol vehicle? Do you require driver training and proper instruction?
Our property at work is one big circle with several entrances that have a "T" type of intersection as well as many ways to get to the perimeter road. When we have a fire or EMS call, we are required to escort the apparatus to the location. The problem is, while we show "due regard" with intersections, most people ignore our lights because they are on all the time. I feel this is dangerous since the apparatus behind us has its lights and siren activated. I do not want them to stop for us thinking its our siren and then get invloved in an accident with the emergency vehicle after we cleared. Meantime, we just lay on the horn when going through an intersection.
Since a siren would not/is not used on a public roadway, do you think I am off base asking for sirens?
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Only Orange is allowed here and I recall patrolling with an idiot colleague who kept me in stitches only night impersonating a siren over our patrol car PA to move on 2 vehicles who were parked illegally. He sounds like he was off Police Academy. No sirens are allowed to be used for non emergency vehicles (police, fire and ambulance who use red / blue strobes) and our road safety vehicles for break downs use red / blue stobes as well - since most people tend to take note of possible police vehicles around.
The amber safety lights are used on tow trucks, escort vehicles for safety and safety vehicles (ie. wide loads or break down mechanics) and are used to warn people not to get home or quicker to McDonalds. 1 site I worked on had a portable air horn in the drivers compartment to be use for audible warnings but we never had a need to use it.
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Originally posted by FireEMSPolice View PostNathan, in Ohio since we are on private property, we can even run red/blue lights if we wanted to. To answer your questions:
1) The color of lights is Green/Clear. Thats the general color of Security in Ohio.
2) Managements wants the lights on all the time for visibility
3) Traffic can be moderate to heavy.
4) The apparatus follows us. They typically know generally where to go but we escort them to the shortest possible route to the store and typically through the back corridors as the mall doesnt want them rolling in cots in the main entrances
5) The posted property speed limit is 25 MPH. Normally people double that. Apparatus will usually go about 40 MPH, depending on the traffic.
Our 2007 Honda CR-V can NOT have anything drilled into it as it goes back in 2010 after the contract is up with Honda. That one has Green and clear LED's on a chinese knock-off lightbar. Our 2002 Explorer has a Green/Clear Whelen Edge 9438
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Originally posted by Hank1 View PostWe do not use sirens and our vehicles are not equipped with them at all.
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We do not use sirens and our vehicles are not equipped with them at all.
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Originally posted by N. A. Corbier View PostHmm.
There are a lot of questions I can come up with. Before that, check with state and local statutes to verify that mere possession of a siren is not illegal.
Now, for the questions.
1. What color lights does your patrol vehicle have?
2. Why are the lights always on?
3. How much traffic does the intersection and private roads get?
4. Does the apparatus follow you, or do you follow it?
5. What speeds do the apparatus travel at within the property?
Basically, if you're following the apparatus (its self-guided to the location), then why does it matter you stop at the intersection? I would not consider following an emergency vehicle to be an emergency where you get to disregard traffic law, even on private property, unless the emergency vehicle needs something only you can provide.
Now, if the apparatus is running at full speed through your property and its supposed to follow you, then yes. You have a problem, and you may need a siren and additional lighting to warn other motorists.
Another important consideration would be light color. If you're running ambers 24/7, then I'm not sure the siren would help. They'll wonder what's going on a bit, and continue on their way because some utility vehicle or security guard is in the intersection, not a "real emergency vehicle."
This is a big problem, this running lights all the time to the point that everyone tunes them out, then expecting them to magically become blocking lights.
If you're going to create an emergency vehicle on private property that is supposed to go through intersections with an engine behind it, you'll need more than a siren. You'll need emergency lighting in a color that people will recongize that you are an emergency vehicle, a siren, and the normal 24/7 ambers turned off.
1) The color of lights is Green/Clear. Thats the general color of Security in Ohio.
2) Managements wants the lights on all the time for visibility
3) Traffic can be moderate to heavy.
4) The apparatus follows us. They typically know generally where to go but we escort them to the shortest possible route to the store and typically through the back corridors as the mall doesnt want them rolling in cots in the main entrances
5) The posted property speed limit is 25 MPH. Normally people double that. Apparatus will usually go about 40 MPH, depending on the traffic.
Our 2007 Honda CR-V can NOT have anything drilled into it as it goes back in 2010 after the contract is up with Honda. That one has Green and clear LED's on a chinese knock-off lightbar. Our 2002 Explorer has a Green/Clear Whelen Edge 9438Last edited by FireEMSPolice; 11-06-2007, 02:30 PM.
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Originally posted by N. A. Corbier View PostThis is a big problem, this running lights all the time to the point that everyone tunes them out, then expecting them to magically become blocking lights.
Anytime someone hears them, the first thing to come to mind is...I wish that idiot would turn that damn thing off without ever going to investigate the cause for the alarm.
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Hmm.
There are a lot of questions I can come up with. Before that, check with state and local statutes to verify that mere possession of a siren is not illegal.
Now, for the questions.
1. What color lights does your patrol vehicle have?
2. Why are the lights always on?
3. How much traffic does the intersection and private roads get?
4. Does the apparatus follow you, or do you follow it?
5. What speeds do the apparatus travel at within the property?
Basically, if you're following the apparatus (its self-guided to the location), then why does it matter you stop at the intersection? I would not consider following an emergency vehicle to be an emergency where you get to disregard traffic law, even on private property, unless the emergency vehicle needs something only you can provide.
Now, if the apparatus is running at full speed through your property and its supposed to follow you, then yes. You have a problem, and you may need a siren and additional lighting to warn other motorists.
Another important consideration would be light color. If you're running ambers 24/7, then I'm not sure the siren would help. They'll wonder what's going on a bit, and continue on their way because some utility vehicle or security guard is in the intersection, not a "real emergency vehicle."
This is a big problem, this running lights all the time to the point that everyone tunes them out, then expecting them to magically become blocking lights.
If you're going to create an emergency vehicle on private property that is supposed to go through intersections with an engine behind it, you'll need more than a siren. You'll need emergency lighting in a color that people will recongize that you are an emergency vehicle, a siren, and the normal 24/7 ambers turned off.
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Siren use
We use sirens at my job currently, but we are also proprietary not contract. Our training consists of succesfully completing the CEVO II driving course ( its an approved emergency driving course similar to EVOC ). So far we haven't had any problems.
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Originally posted by FireEMSPolice View PostSince a siren would not/is not used on a public roadway, do you think I am off base asking for sirens?
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Siren use?
Does anyone here have a siren in their patrol vehicle? Do you require driver training and proper instruction?
The reason I ask is this:
Our property at work is one big circle with several entrances that have a "T" type of intersection as well as many ways to get to the perimeter road. When we have a fire or EMS call, we are required to escort the apparatus to the location. The problem is, while we show "due regard" with intersections, most people ignore our lights because they are on all the time. I feel this is dangerous since the apparatus behind us has its lights and siren activated. I do not want them to stop for us thinking its our siren and then get invloved in an accident with the emergency vehicle after we cleared. Meantime, we just lay on the horn when going through an intersection.
Since a siren would not/is not used on a public roadway, do you think I am off base asking for sirens?Tags: None
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