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  • Lawson
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    Originally posted by Mr. Security
    Our local PD is just now being equipped with tasers. As you know, I have always advocated the use of OC over a taser. However, the police have made a strong case for the taser over OC. They prefer the taser because it can be used in a hospital setting, does not require a physical take down, and does not contaminate the officer's clothing, etc. In addition, the pain of OC lasts anywhere from 30 min to several hours as opposed to 5 seconds with a taser. They have a strong case. Perhaps I need to reevaluate this one.
    I think you do. I am the biggest Taser over OC advocate I know. I could go on and on about the effectiveness and workability of the taser. There are so many more advantages, especially because it steps away from pain compliance and goes into the overtaking of the Central Nervous System. Demanded Compliance. There are people you can drop in a pool OC spray and all they will do is swim around in it and take a gulp. Then when you implement the taser they drop like a fly. Because you are no longer trying to get them to comply by hurting them, you are now getting them to comply by overtaking their CNS. A lot more effective IMO.

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  • crankloud
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    oc?

    Considering we carry no ppe in the form of self defence i will be carrying oc spray to defend myself. Thanks for the response, very helpful.

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  • Taser
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    Originally posted by Jackhole
    I thought that once you used spray, the canister was bad - like a fire extinguisher. Don't know, never used any.
    As an S/O, we don't come into situations where the use of force is necessary as often as it is with LEOs. However, generally when the use of force is necessary it is a more severe situation. For example, a police officer might use OC on an individual because the suspect won't comply with the officer's orders. Obviously as S/O's, we don't have this option. So generally if you are going to deploy OC it is going to be a defensive situation. When I feel the need to defend myself and I choose to use OC to do so, I am going to SOAK the perp.

    This is kind of a long winded way of saying, yes, they are reusable. But when I use OC, I use quite A LOT of it, so I always buy a new canister of it. I just feel more comfortable that way.

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  • Tennsix
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    Originally posted by Jackhole
    I thought that once you used spray, the canister was bad - like a fire extinguisher. Don't know, never used any.
    No, they are "resueable".

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  • Jackhole
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    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
    I routinely check areosols due to the dud factor.
    I thought that once you used spray, the canister was bad - like a fire extinguisher. Don't know, never used any.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Originally posted by Mr. Security
    Check it occasionally. I went to use mine and it was a dud.
    I routinely check areosols due to the dud factor.

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  • Mr. Security
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    Is this the same Mr. Security?

    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
    Seconded. Just remember that OC causes a reactionary gap, and you need to either run during that period, or close the gap and take the suspect down after spraying.

    Never spray statically. Even if its not effective, its still a temporary blinding agent in their eyes till the stream shuts off. Spray and move.
    Our local PD is just now being equipped with tasers. As you know, I have always advocated the use of OC over a taser. However, the police have made a strong case for the taser over OC. They prefer the taser because it can be used in a hospital setting, does not require a physical take down, and does not contaminate the officer's clothing, etc. In addition, the pain of OC lasts anywhere from 30 min to several hours as opposed to 5 seconds with a taser. They have a strong case. Perhaps I need to reevaluate this one.

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  • Mr. Security
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    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
    Oh, yeah, for those of you wondering what I carry at my primary job:
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    1 ASP Key Defender (OC)
    Check it occasionally. I went to use mine and it was a dud.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Originally posted by 1stWatch
    I believe o.c. spray is the most useful weapon I have on. Shooting is rarely justified and it certainly beats having to put your hands on someone who may have communicable diseases.
    Seconded. Just remember that OC causes a reactionary gap, and you need to either run during that period, or close the gap and take the suspect down after spraying.

    Never spray statically. Even if its not effective, its still a temporary blinding agent in their eyes till the stream shuts off. Spray and move.

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  • 1stWatch
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    Originally posted by crankloud
    In Australia we are now only being allowed to carry o.c, capsicum spray. After some initial training it will be up to individual guards wether they choose to carry spray. Is it worth it? Just trying to get some feedback from guards on it's effectivness?
    I believe o.c. spray is the most useful weapon I have on. Shooting is rarely justified and it certainly beats having to put your hands on someone who may have communicable diseases.

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  • HotelSecurity
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    Originally posted by crankloud
    In Australia we are now only being allowed to carry o.c, capsicum spray. After some initial training it will be up to individual guards wether they choose to carry spray. Is it worth it? Just trying to get some feedback from guards on it's effectivness?
    We are still not allowed in Canada

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  • Tennsix
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    Originally posted by crankloud
    In Australia we are now only being allowed to carry o.c, capsicum spray. After some initial training it will be up to individual guards wether they choose to carry spray. Is it worth it? Just trying to get some feedback from guards on it's effectivness?
    Yes, OC is good stuff. Doesn't work 100% of the time but it generally does the job.

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  • crankloud
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    Pepper spray.

    In Australia we are now only being allowed to carry o.c, capsicum spray. After some initial training it will be up to individual guards wether they choose to carry spray. Is it worth it? Just trying to get some feedback from guards on it's effectivness?

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  • Echos13
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    I went back to simple set up my self. I put away my P-85 and went back to my Taurus 2 inch wheel gun. That Ruger was getting heavy to lug around with a 16 round mag not to mention it's big. I am looking at a glock 17 and the CZ75D PCR for 9mm carry. We can use a tactical holster now for high profile calls but I prefer to be less a spectical than stand out to hard. We do "soft security" appearence as much as possible now anyway. We did have a contract for full uniform details but it got subbed to another outfit we canvas calls for when they can't. I met up with a CPO from the "W" company the other day and this guy looked like a state trooper more then a security officer. He looked sharp and his duty gear was uniform neat and distinctive. They dont carry much on thier duty belts though other than the side arm which was a full frame Smith wheel gun (I guess they carry 9mm sometimes). He told me some do carry more depending on the job. They are doing intake and control operations for the JV center here in my county now but they are unarmed. But for me, keep it simple and less cluncky. If I need more, well theres the camo bag in the trunk with a lap top and other stuff.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Originally posted by bigdog
    Is the asp key defender legal to carry in WI?
    It better be, I bought it retail from a huge sporting goods store. Its not a pen or a beeper or any concealed item.

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