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  • #31
    Originally posted by ValleyOne View Post
    Machined aircraft aluminum tube packed with 6 D sized batteries will have the same effect, damn that's huge. Doesn't it bang the hell outta thier legs when they walk around?

    Odd, that your lawyers down there haven't caught on that this is actually a blunt instrument.
    I'm not clear on S.A. law concerning the 6D maglites (and similar), I have been informed that in Victoria whilst you can carry a 6D (although it would most likely fall into the 'dangerous articles' category)... anything used in self defence larger than say a 3 cell, is considered extreme & litigable

    Originally posted by ValleyOne
    I don't see how anyone could run with that thing on their belt...
    It certainly does get up a bit of a pendulum motion hanging off you duty belt, either knocking against the side or back of your leg... suffice to say when you've got to run you carry it OR hold it (to stop it swaying), yet another reason for my building/modifying a 'high output' 3D cell version
    "We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give" - Winston Churchill

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    • #32
      I carried a 6D maglite once. A long, long time ago. You basically drew it to run with it.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by N. A. Corbier View Post
        I carried a 6D maglite once. A long, long time ago. You basically drew it to run with it.
        What did you eventually upgrade to?
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        • #34
          a SWAT entry ram? jeeze that's a huge kleig light
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          • #35
            I upgraded to a Streamlight Stinger. The 6D was given to me by a friend of mine at the time, because he had literally no use for it. It lasted about a week before I bought a Stinger.

            Now days, Streamlight XP-20LED and a Streamlight Stinger LED if I need a uniform flashlight. Stinger stays on belt at all times, hopefully charged, and the XP-20LED is the "sudden encounter" flashlight.

            You know, the one you have in your hand when doing things like searching a building or whatnot, where there may be a sudden encounter with something that needs smacking to allow you to gain distance.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by N. A. Corbier View Post
              Now days, Streamlight XP-20LED and a Streamlight Stinger LED if I need a uniform flashlight. Stinger stays on belt at all times, hopefully charged, and the XP-20LED is the "sudden encounter" flashlight.

              You know, the one you have in your hand when doing things like searching a building or whatnot, where there may be a sudden encounter with something that needs smacking to allow you to gain distance.
              I hear ya' on that one!

              Other than being used for a 'ROP' flash light mod, the 6D may simply end up living in the car's boot... the spec's for the XP20 are quite impressive, perhaps I could add one to my ever burgeoning collection LOL
              Last edited by Maelstrom; 09-15-2007, 04:02 AM.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by big_d View Post
                Wow I want to move to N.S.W down here in S.A we can't carry a batton unless we carry a fire arm. With us on duty. So we have to be certified in fire arms and have to have a legal reason why we need them at our site.

                Maybe thats why most S.A security officers carry 6D Maglites.

                Its intresting to note the different laws between states. Like over in W.A Oc spray is legal for everyone.
                I have done Security in SA for 3 and a half years. This includes patrols, aviation screening, cash in transit and crowd control and in that time throughout my experience with many different companies I have never seen a security officer with a 6 d cell maglite. The reason being they are illegal. Comes under the a certain prohibited item law.

                In response to your statement about WA pepper spray laws, once again you are mislead or misinformed. It is actually not legal for "anyone" to carry. It is legal if you are a CITIZEN of WA so any joe blogg's can have it but it is ILLEGAL for any Security or Crowd Control officer to have it because it falls under the Prohibited Weapons Act.

                Hope this clears up some confusion you seem to have.
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                • #38
                  Im sorry I was missimformed. Thanks for clearning that up. So in W.A you can carry CS if you are a citizen but not when on duty. What a stupid law. Thanks for clearning up about the 6D mag light. I was told by a few mates that do patrol work that they carry them. Will tell them that they are illegal.

                  Does anyone know about the N.T law can I carry a 6D Mag Light up there. If not I will have to get a new duty light.

                  Thanks Guys

                  Duncan

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Penthrox View Post
                    I have never seen a security officer with a 6 d cell maglite. The reason being they are illegal. Comes under the a certain prohibited item law.
                    I'm curious what information you base that point-of-view on? according to the S.A. Attorney-General's website (details HERE ) listing the prohibited/restricted weapons, it fails to mention maglites period, interestingly enough the Victoria Police web site has a similar register of prohibited/restricted weapons/articles and also fails to mention maglites (and similar aluminium torches) whilst detailing blades, batons, sprays, audio~chemical deterrents, spears & a various assortment of weaponry

                    Thus I propose to you that it's not illegal under legislation but potentially under Judicial interpretation, especially when used as anything but a flashlight
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                    • #40
                      Hell, according to that Act, straight batons (billies or sticks) should be legal. It only makes the Expandable Baton prohibited, does it not?
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by N. A. Corbier View Post
                        Hell, according to that Act, straight batons (billies or sticks) should be legal. It only makes the Expandable Baton prohibited, does it not?
                        According to the act a licensed security agent can carry an expandable baton as long as they are also licensed to carry a firearm.

                        13—Persons employed in the business of protecting or guarding property
                        A person—
                        (a) who is employed to protect or guard property by a person who carries on the
                        business of protecting or guarding property; and

                        (b) who is authorised by a licence granted under the Security and Investigation
                        Agents Act 1995 to protect or guard property as a security agent; and

                        (c) who is the holder of a firearms licence under the Firearms Act 1977
                        authorising the possession and use of a handgun in the course of employment
                        by a person who carries on the business of guarding property; and

                        (d) whose duties of employment in protecting or guarding property reasonably require the possession of an extendable baton; and

                        (e) who has completed a course of instruction approved by the Commissioner of
                        Police in the proper use of extendable batons and has been awarded a
                        certificate of competency by the person conducting the course,
                        is exempt from the offences of possession and use of an extendable baton under
                        section 15(1c)(b) of the Act in the course of his or her employment in protecting or
                        guarding property if—
                        (
                        f) the baton can only be extended by gravity or centrifugal force; and

                        (g) the exempt person has not been found guilty by a court of an offence
                        involving the illegal possession or use of an extendable baton, a firearm or
                        any other weapon; and

                        (h) the exempt person does not carry the baton when he or she is engaged in
                        crowd control; and
                        (i) as soon as reasonably practicable after the exempt person uses the baton (as opposed to carrying the baton) in the course of his or her duties, he or she
                        provides his or her employer with a written report setting out the date on
                        which, and the reasons why, he or she used the baton
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                        • #42
                          The Act doesn't say anything about straight sticks, only expandable batons. Is there somewhere in there that talks about straight sticks, clubs, or billies?
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                          "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                          • #43
                            The actual wording in that particular document doesn't mention (non-telescopic) batons per say, but legal interpretation (Judicial) would definitely draw parallels

                            In complete contrast, the Victorian Police Weapon Identification search engine details both straight stick & extendible batons as follows...


                            * Extendible Baton/ASP/Gravity baton - Prohibited Weapon & Prohibited Import

                            * Baton/Club/Nightstick - Controlled Weapon


                            I suppose the 6D Maglite (or similar) could be considered a 'tool' thus placing it in the Dangerous Articles category, along with hammers & baseball bats

                            Victoria Police Weapons Identification Search
                            "We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give" - Winston Churchill

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                            • #44
                              Prohibited Weapons

                              Anything can be uses a weapon with the right means but the use of multi-tools and the like is a grey area as it can be argued that the item is holstered and in full view not in a pocket. By law in NSW a knife blade over 1.5" is a concealed weapon and a please explain unless you can prove your valid reason for having it on your person.

                              As for a pouch for your leatherman (my super tool is 12 years old now) and as the case is on a duty belt (just in case for a rainy day) I found that a Swiss Army Tool (leather case) was the same size and better quality and BLACK too.

                              I personally never liked loading up my duty belt with too much stuff as there was always an issue in need to move fast and I have seen a few moons from over supplied security officers running as their trousers fall down with the whole Uncle Mike's catalogue on their duty belts.
                              "Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer" Sun Tzu

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                              • #45
                                If their trousers are falling down, their pants didn't fit correctly, nor were they wearing their belts correctly.
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                                "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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