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I carry a 26" ASP, because they won't let me carry the 36" one. I'd rather carry my aluminum PR-24, but they say it's "too intimidating." I always felt that a stick should look intimidating.
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Originally posted by Maelstrom View PostI've noted ASP airweight extendable batons are made from aircraft alloy thus making it 40% lighter than the regular ASP (with a claimed 98% strike potential), would it be more effective tickling an offender with a feather than one of these?
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So, if that's true and you're swinging a baton that's 25% lighter, but swinging it 25% faster, doesn't the actual energy transferred work out to be about the same?
EXPERIMENT: Get yourself some pumpkins and smack them top-speed with both a heavier and a lighter baton to see what difference weight-versus-speed makes.
Think about a tornado that can drive a piece of straw into a piece of plywood, for instance (very high speed, but low mass).
ADDENDUM: If you swing a longer baton and a shorter baton with equal arm speed, the tip of the longer baton travels further (through a longer arc) in the same time period, and hence, at higher tip speed than the tip of the shorter baton. For the same "swing", then, the longer baton will transfer more energy (toward the tip) than the shorter baton, everything else being equal. That's why baseballs struck toward the end of a bat will travel further for the same swing than if the batter is "jammed" in on his hands, and also the reason that a golf driver has a longer shaft than a 9-iron.
Of course, all of this is rather academic because the differences (lighter/heavier, longer/shorter) are probably fairly small. Smack 'em good with either baton, and they'll know they've been smacked.Last edited by SecTrainer; 09-21-2007, 10:02 AM.
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2 days? yeah I had delays totalling 2 weeks LMAO
Still for $29.00 off their sale price... why should I complain?
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I got my gear from there too Im in QLD and delivery took about 2 days. They seem to carry the best range that I have found and there own brand is of the same quality as the Accumold gear I believe
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Originally posted by Maelstrom View PostThanks... I figured they'd be reasonably equal (given 10% +/-), FWIW I ended up purchasing an ASP 21" black chrome... it's opening/locking mechanism kinda' reminds me of a kid's plastic telescopic lightsabre LMAO
"Use the force Luke..."
Same as what I got the Black Chrome ASP, where did you get yours from?
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Thanks... I figured they'd be reasonably equal (given 10% +/-), FWIW I ended up purchasing an ASP 21" black chrome... it's opening/locking mechanism kinda' reminds me of a kid's plastic telescopic lightsabre LMAO
"Use the force Luke..."
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Originally posted by JSam21 View PostThey hit just as hard but one of our FTO's discourages our officers from getting them. With the less weight it puts it in your head that you have to swing harder. The harder you swing the more energy you use. The more energy you use the faster you exhaust said energy.
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Originally posted by Maelstrom View PostI've noted ASP airweight extendable batons are made from aircraft alloy thus making it 40% lighter than the regular ASP (with a claimed 98% strike potential), would it be more effective tickling an offender with a feather than one of these?
Thanks guys
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In use an ASP 21" mainly because thats what was used on my course therefore what I trained with. Its not too small but its not too big to be a pain to carry
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I've noted ASP airweight extendable batons are made from aircraft alloy thus making it 40% lighter than the regular ASP (with a claimed 98% strike potential), would it be more effective tickling an offender with a feather than one of these?
Thanks guys
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I carry the 21 inch Monadnock expandable baton with the stainless finish. Excellent tool.
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I carry a 26" ASP. I'm a bigger guy and I've always felt that the 21 is just a lilttle bit too small for my tastes. Don't even look at a 16 if you are in a hard uniform. You have to get in way, way too close to get a good strike with it. As for the 31. You don't want to lug that thing around all day on your waist. Its mainly a riot/mounted batton. But if you wanna swing that bat go for it.
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Originally posted by ptbeast View PostUnless you are required to bring your own baton to training, I would suggest completing the training, trying a few different sizes, and using the one that you find most comfortable.
I'm leaning towards a 21" baton possibly an ASP as it telescopes a tad smaller than it's Casco counterpart... only time will tell, thanks for your input guys!
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I would recommend a Monadnock AutoLock. You don't have to "sling" it open, you can simply extend it behind your back to prepare for a situation. Also, instead of slamming it into a hard surface to collapse it, you just press the button on the tailcap and voila'!, it slides closed. More info can be found here---- http://galls.com/style.html?assort=g...BA056&cat=3005
Best of luck with your decision.
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