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    What kinds of carbines do y’all patrol with? Have you found some which seem great in training and on paper but have serious shortcomings in the field? Did you have to purchase your own? How about your gear (magazines, pouches, etc)? I’ve been very happy with mine but modified it more to my liking after buying and shooting it for the first time. I enjoy my Colt LE6940, it’s served me well!

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    I have retired twice. The most recent retirement was a year ago. There we switched to the Sig Sauer system that had Sig optics and suppressor. It was a very nice system since everything was designed to work together. The barrel was only 11 inches, but with the can it ended up being about 16 inches overall. I didn't find any serious shortcomings with it, but some things end up being personal preference. For example, you might like sling A and I prefer sling B. I found the sling issue to be more problematic with shared rifles or carbines. For example, if a huge guy has it all set for him and then a 105 pound gal has to readjust it to her liking.

    I, personally, have some issues with having to provide certain pieced of equipment for a job in which they should be providing the equipment. Some things I am fine with, but other things they provide.

    As far as carrying additional magazines went, we could have an additional pouch on our belt, that held one more 30 round magazine. Some tried a system that held the three Glock magazine and one AR magazine. It stuck out a bit too far for many officer's liking. Or, many did what I did and just put an additional AR magazine in the cargo pocket of their uniform pants.

    I have been on this forum for quite a while now, but I rarely read much about long weapons or accessories here. I think many/most on here are in jobs that either don't involve firearms or they simply carry a pistol only.
    Last edited by Jim1348; 02-16-2019, 02:49 PM.

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    • #3
      Excellent points! I’ve always enjoyed long guns more than handguns, and while I had to train with both long guns/handguns, the handgun felt like the work portion and the long guns felt me the fun part! I agree that agencies should be tasked with providing more of an officer’s equipment. One benefit of having to provide my own was the wide autonomy in which I could select EXACTLY what I wanted to carry, with only a few restrictions. My rifle has a 16.1” barrel so a suppressor would’ve added some length, but thankfully I never had to fire it or any other weapon without hearing protection and in training.

      My love affair with the Sam Browne belt dissipated quickly, running into issues like you did with crowding and comfort with all of the gear on it. I transitioned to a load bearing vest (LBV) soon into my work experience and never looked back!
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        This was far more comfortable. I just transitioned to a thigh rigs which I pulled as high up on my leg as possible but not so high up that I hit the IFAK pouch as I drew my handgun. The IFAK and rifle magazine pouches were cheaper in these other colour pattern which is why they doesn’t match the rest of the vest. I didn’t worry too much about the fashion police at work 👏🏼😂

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Jim1348 View Post

          I have been on this forum for quite a while now, but I rarely read much about long weapons or accessories here. I think many/most on here are in jobs that either don't involve firearms or they simply carry a pistol only.
          In CA our BSIS only allows handguns. Armored car guys are "regulated by Highway Patrol" and seem to be allowed at least shotguns.

          Heard from a Trainer that guards in CA are allowed long guns if they "are familiar" with them, meaning some sort of official training. He said something about a USCG conducted class, but wasn't sure. I've asked on phone and emailed the BSIS but never got any clarification on Guards & Long Guns in CA.

          I've known a few guys that would carry a shotgun or AR, but in standard legal car-carry in a "locked container" and unloaded. Theory being if things got hairy enough to break out the long guns any legal quibbles would be least of prob. Kinda like how its illegal to carry a loaded gun without a CCW etc but if the shooting is justified everyone seems to forget that at some point the shooter was carrying a loaded gun "illegally".

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          • #6
            Generally speaking, security guards are expected to retreat away from situations that are known to be dangerous, not approach them. The theory behind security guards not having carbines or other long guns is that they're to bulky for the average guard to carry on them. If the guard is able to get to their car or security office to retrieve the weapon, they can drive away or lock the office door instead of re-entering the dangerous situation.

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            • #7
              The outdated expectation has been for individual officers to take cover and await for backup units to arrive, but this has lost more lives than its saved ever since criminals have changed tactics and taken advantage of officers - public or private - awaiting a mass of backup units/or specialised teams, and kept on committing violent acts against innocents.

              All of the watch commanders, chiefs, instructors, and community members told my fellow officers and I something which I’ve held true to the protective profession: if you aren’t willing to face the wolf, turn in your badge immediately and run with the sheep! You’re never out of the fight! Think about it, how safe is your community going to feel if they already know in advance, or view in real time, a protector hiding when they should be fighting/protecting? Why even show up?

              Knowing full well that you’ll run away or cower/hide doesn’t offer even a mild degree of deterrence from opposing forces.
              Last edited by Amateurchef; 02-28-2019, 05:09 AM.

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