torches for law enforcement

[black bear]

I will have to see how they perform in a two inch reflector. Lumens output is only part of the picture, color rendition, throw, definition at a far off target, fog and smoke penetration, and for how long the diode can be used at full power without the heat degrading them, are also important.

Black Bear

[Maelstrom]

blackbear seeing Seoul Semiconductors has released their P7 LED multi-element light engine rated @ 700~900 Lumen, will you consider offering/developing a 'high end' LED variant of one your torches?

[black bear]

THE CLASSIC SUREFIRE E1E EXECTUTIVE ELITE
FLASHLIGHT

This light is a beauty, short, light weight, with considerable power and with a decent run time for an incandescent light
In today’s market it is a little obsolete in the power department, as the Fenix line of small pocket/key chain lights put out more lumens and have more features.

Still, the Surefire E1e is the “classic” small light that arrived at a time when 15 lumens was only achieved with big lights using 2D batteries.

The E1e is extremely well made and finished in hard anodized type III in an olive drab finish; it weights 2.20 ounces and has a length of 3.40 inches. The lens is Pyrex and the reflector is stochastic, meaning that is finished with a light stippled pattern that makes the beam free of defects, rings and artifacts.

The light runs on one of the RC123’s batteries with a run time of 1.5 hours, the beam is nice, but will not throw far as the reflector is quite small, and small reflectors produce quite a flood.

The tail cap has three positions: unscrewed a couple of turns it will lock up the light (what is considered a safety position); screwed a little more, will allow activation of the momentary position by pressing the rubber button; screwed further, will activate the light on constant.




The little light charges the battery from the front, that means you have to take the head out to install the battery, as there is not enough room for the battery to enter if you remove the tail cap, as in most other lights.

The 15 lumens lamp is called MN01, and is 15 lumens of course; the MN02 is 25 lumens but it’s used in the E series Surefire that carries two batteries, as is the more powerful 60 lumens MN03.

I see this light as ideal for a woman’s purse or a man’s pocket. Although the retail price is $79 USD the light is so well made that is worth it. Finally, the light sports a clip that can be used to clip it to the edge of a pocket for quick retrieval, or to the bill of a cap if you need to do some chore using two hands.
Cheers

Black Bear

[Curtis Baillie]

Two discussion forums devoted to flashlights? Thanks for shedding light on the topic. (Sorry...I couldn't help it).

[Maelstrom]

Not to forget Craig their contemporary rivals... Flash Light Forums

[craig333]

Indeed some of the smaller lights are very impressive now. Indoors you really dont need a big heavy flashlight. For range there still no substitute for size. Besides, being unarmed its comforting to have something heavy with you.

If a two dollar flashlight is your style you probably want to stay away from this site.

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/

[Maelstrom]

Then why waste money on a flashlight like this? You could make out a body on site with a friggin $2 flashlight. Point is, they are too heavy, bulky and expensive for what they are. I could see them being a lot more practical in a smaller package.

With all due respect that is indeed a fallacy, a $2.00 torch is only barely useful for illuminating a very short distance, Maglite's focusable beam during the 70's was the first real evolutionary step forward in decades (compared to contemporary torches/flashlights of the day), today we have a 'three horse race' between evolving incandescent, LED & HID technologies all racing towards smaller more powerful packagings...

For comparison, there's a link HERE to a NSW Security Training site that conducted a photographic display of the differences between 4 torches, those being a generic 3 x D cell, Streamlight's Stinger, SL20XP & 8W lightbox on a dark moonless Mountain night over a distance of 20m, sufficient to say in some circumstances (particularly extremely dark) the better your torch throws it's illumination, the further you're 'effective vision' will be

The Reason the BB lights (and those of similar high powered halogen/xenon filament incandescents) are the size they are is the fuel cells they utilize, nominally multi-carriage AA NiMHs (note right of pic below), Lithium cells are smaller and provide higher currents but at the expense of capacity/run times and Lithium has to be handled with extreme care as they have the potential to catch fire/explode, while Lithium technology is moving forward with protective circuits being integrated into cells (and monitoring chargers) they're not quite there in terms of replacing existing NiMH technology IMHO



For those who are price conscious but are looking for a better option to the generic offerings out there, DealExtreme.com have an interesting selection of high powered torches/flashlights and are one of many such online retailers

Well on my construction site, I don't need to be able to make out a face. Just the fact I can see a body at long range means theres someone where they shouldnt be. I'd say thats pretty useful.

Then why waste money on a flashlight like this? You could make out a body on site with a friggin $2 flashlight. Point is, they are too heavy, bulky and expensive for what they are. I could see them being a lot more practical in a smaler package.

[craig333]

Well on my construction site, I don't need to be able to make out a face. Just the fact I can see a body at long range means theres someone where they shouldnt be. I'd say thats pretty useful.

[Dam Guard]

The Bear Cub is not much larger than a stinger. I think it is maybe an inch longer and larger reflector. But the Bear Cub it is much brighter. And the stinger is a pretty bright light.

Officers that carry a Maglite, Magcharger or Borealis 1050 lumens, doesn't carry a baton, as the flashlight can take that role and make light at the same time.

Any way, you should also carry a belt light, any of the Incandescent two 123's batteries (Surefire 6P, G-2 etc or Streamlight Scorpion) or the new Fenix T-1 that makes 225 lumens and throw a good 50 yards

The big lights will reach farther, as much as 100 yards farther and much as300 yards in the case of the Borealis, and will really temporarily blind a person.

Black Bear

Ok...I can carry around a big Mag-Lite frame that just throws my belt, even with sidearm, all off-kilter or I can carry my airweight baton and a smaller, more practical flashlight. While a light that can reach hundreds of yards is impressive, I have yet to see anyone who could make out, with any clarity, what they light up at that distance. This, in essence, means you have wasted money on a light that is overkill. At one time I carried to Stingers because they were the best lights I could afford. They lit up a substantial area, were highly durable, rechargeable, damn near weatherproof, and fit all the req's I had at the time. All I am wondering is if you have any plans to put your kit on a flashlight that size in the future.

[Maelstrom]

So...the flashlights look great and all. But...that is simply more weight than I personally want to carry around at night. I carry a baton when I can, so it's not like I need the massive Mag-Lite for that purpose. With all the other gear I carry, do y'all have something comparable in size to a Stinger or even smaller like the Scorpion or a G2? That would be perfect. Sorry if I missed it, all of the pictures are taking forever to load.

The idea behind BB's products (if I can paraphrase) is to offer high performance lighting solutions in a friendly, sturdy & relatively easy to locate host... I guess you'd have to consider them as 'primary' flashlights

you should also carry a belt light, any of the Incandescent two 123's batteries (Surefire 6P, G-2 etc or Streamlight Scorpion) or the new Fenix T-1 that makes 225 lumens and throw a good 50 yards

I agree that a decent secondary light on your duty rig is almost a must have, though depending on lighting conditions & proximity one of those small multi-LED OR 1~3W Luxeon torches/flashlights would be more than adequate... never been overly fond of those power/cell hungry xx-123 lighting solutions as their duty cycles aren't overly impressive (nor is the cost of xx-123 cells)

black bear... I gotta' ask if you'd had the opportunity to try out one of the new Terra-lux triple flipchip LED drop ins purportedly rated 300 Lumen yet?

[black bear]

So...the flashlights look great and all. But...that is simply more weight than I personally want to carry around at night. I carry a baton when I can, so it's not like I need the massive Mag-Lite for that purpose. With all the other gear I carry, do y'all have something comparable in size to a Stinger or even smaller like the Scorpion or a G2? That would be perfect. Sorry if I missed it, all of the pictures are taking forever to load.

Officers that carry a Maglite, Magcharger or Borealis 1050 lumens, doesn't carry a baton, as the flashlight can take that role and make light at the same time.

Any way, you should also carry a belt light, any of the Incandescent two 123's batteries (Surefire 6P, G-2 etc or Streamlight Scorpion) or the new Fenix T-1 that makes 225 lumens and throw a good 50 yards

The big lights will reach farther, as much as 100 yards farther and much as300 yards in the case of the Borealis, and will really temporarily blind a person.

Black Bear

Ok...

So...the flashlights look great and all. But...that is simply more weight than I personally want to carry around at night. I carry a baton when I can, so it's not like I need the massive Mag-Lite for that purpose. With all the other gear I carry, do y'all have something comparable in size to a Stinger or even smaller like the Scorpion or a G2? That would be perfect. Sorry if I missed it, all of the pictures are taking forever to load.

[NRM_Oz]

Something I have found is anything too big and bulky will be left at home or in your vehicle and often you may be in a situation where you only have what is on your belt kit. I still love the maglites - as they indicate I am not going to take your Ka-Kah road rager but again mine live in my car at the ready - too big and bulky for me to wear all the time.