On my site all I can carry on me while I do my patrols, enforce rules and regulations, handle incidents etc.is my flashlight, site keys, radio, cell phone, site cell phone, and the protrac wand. Nothing really on me can be used for defense. Have an ASP, but upon coming to this site was informed I could not carry it here. Anyone else on this site in a similar situation.
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I can carry a baton but since we work in suit & ties, not uniforms you can't really carry one. I have one in the office & if I get a call for a fight or a motion detector going off on the banquet floor which is sealed when there are no banquets going on, I'll grab it & bring it with me. I'm looking into getting an ASP. In Canada anything else (pepper spray, Tasers etc are illegal).
Speaking of Tasers. I understand they are the things that use compressed air to shoot darts that carry electricity to the suspect. What do you cal the contact devices that you have to touch the suspect with to discharge the electricity & are they still used?I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
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Originally posted by james2go30On my site all I can carry on me while I do my patrols, enforce rules and regulations, handle incidents etc.is my flashlight, site keys, radio, cell phone, site cell phone, and the protrac wand. Nothing really on me can be used for defense. Have an ASP, but upon coming to this site was informed I could not carry it here. Anyone else on this site in a similar situation.
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Originally posted by HotelSecurityI can carry a baton but since we work in suit & ties, not uniforms you can't really carry one. I have one in the office & if I get a call for a fight or a motion detector going off on the banquet floor which is sealed when there are no banquets going on, I'll grab it & bring it with me. I'm looking into getting an ASP. In Canada anything else (pepper spray, Tasers etc are illegal).
Speaking of Tasers. I understand they are the things that use compressed air to shoot darts that carry electricity to the suspect. What do you cal the contact devices that you have to touch the suspect with to discharge the electricity & are they still used?
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Dont feel bad.. The site I am at now, was a "completely unarmed" site. No defensive tools at all....
I changed that.. all it took was after four days of me being assigned there as the director, and getting my butt kick royally by a group of gang bangers, I was able to express the needs for defensive tools. After that, it didnt take much to get anything I needed! LOL!Deputy Sheriff
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Find out what your post orders say about your presence. It sounds like, especially with the Guard Tour System, that you are there for observe and report only. Which means that you:
1. Will not receive any weapons or restraints. You are not there to confront anyone, so "no one will attack you."
2. Your primary purpose there is to detect problems and then summon police/fire/EMS. That's it. Now, you may be responsible for putting out fires (probably not), or handling basic first aid (maybe, good Samaritan's law protects you somewhat), but the simple fact that protecting things incurs liability to the company usually makes providers say "no confront, no protect, call 911 and leave."
Something important to remember when running away is that if you leave your property, you're in violation of Chapter 493.
Rock and a hard place in observe and report security in Florida.Some Kind of Commando Leader
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yea it just sucks having to respond to an a noise complaint or some kind of other complaint when you know these people are usually disorderly drunks...and they want us escort non guests from property and remove transients from property...I hate approaching these situations with little in the way of defense we have the protrac wand, it ain't but like 6, maybe 7 inches, and that would put me way too close to someone, closer then I like.
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Originally posted by james2go30yea it just sucks having to respond to an a noise complaint or some kind of other complaint when you know these people are usually disorderly drunks...and they want us escort non guests from property and remove transients from property...I hate approaching these situations with little in the way of defense we have the protrac wand, it ain't but like 6, maybe 7 inches, and that would put me way too close to someone, closer then I like.
That goes beyond the average guard's mission of "deter, observe, report." Do your post orders actually say you are to do this? If so, I can see the company being setup for a failure to train lawsuit (by you) if you are injured in any way by someone you are required to confront.
If your written post orders say, "You are a visible deterrence, do not confront," then whoever told you to remove people is wrong. You go by what your written post orders say. Period.Some Kind of Commando Leader
"Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law
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Originally posted by james2go30yea it just sucks having to respond to an a noise complaint or some kind of other complaint when you know these people are usually disorderly drunks...and they want us escort non guests from property and remove transients from property...I hate approaching these situations with little in the way of defense we have the protrac wand, it ain't but like 6, maybe 7 inches, and that would put me way too close to someone, closer then I like.
Nathan - I think we've discussed this in the past - I guess it's because I've never worked contract in an hotel, but if I do not intervene in a situation I will be fired. Come to think of it, I'm working overnight tonight (my guy called in sick 25 minutes before his shift) with 2 contract Officers. We use this company to provide extra security when we have groups in the hotel. We have no written post orders with the company. They are expected to physically control a situation until I get there to take over.I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
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Originally posted by HotelSecurityI've been working unarmed dealing with these things in hotels for 30 years now. I completely feel your pain.
Nathan - I think we've discussed this in the past - I guess it's because I've never worked contract in an hotel, but if I do not intervene in a situation I will be fired. Come to think of it, I'm working overnight tonight (my guy called in sick 25 minutes before his shift) with 2 contract Officers. We use this company to provide extra security when we have groups in the hotel. We have no written post orders with the company. They are expected to physically control a situation until I get there to take over.
The contract company (or you) can basically make up at a later date (after something went wrong) what the guard's duties are.
"We never told them to physically control the situation. Our guard's job is to deter and contact law enforcement."Some Kind of Commando Leader
"Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law
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Originally posted by N. A. CorbierYou're required to confront people? (remove transients from property, etc...)
That goes beyond the average guard's mission of "deter, observe, report." Do your post orders actually say you are to do this? If so, I can see the company being setup for a failure to train lawsuit (by you) if you are injured in any way by someone you are required to confront.
If your written post orders say, "You are a visible deterrence, do not confront," then whoever told you to remove people is wrong. You go by what your written post orders say. Period.
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Originally posted by james2go30No orders here written or otherwise say to just observe and record...In the rules of this property we are to remove tresspassers, transients etc. The only thing say is if it gets too bad grab your radio and have f/d call policeSome Kind of Commando Leader
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Originally posted by N. A. CorbierLet me get this straight. Your post orders state that you are to remove trespassers, etc... ANd you haven't been given tools or training to do that? Wow. Like I said, if you're hurt, you own them.
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