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  • Mr. Security
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    Originally posted by SecTrainer
    First off, be sure that it is indeed an EXACT replica of the state seal. Some of the "state seals" provided by badge companies are NOT exact replicas in that they use different colors...as here:

    Compare the Washington seal in the bottom row of seals on this page:

    http://www.smithwarren.com/catalog_80-56.php

    ...to the actual state seal on this page:

    http://www.netstate.com/states/symb/seals/wa_seal.htm

    If it's not an exact replica, what purpose is there in raising what amounts to an meaningless administrative quibble except to make a nuisance of yourself toward a brother in arms?
    Well put. Thanks.

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  • SecTrainer
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    First off, be sure that it is indeed an EXACT replica of the state seal. Some of the "state seals" provided by badge companies are NOT exact replicas in that they use different colors...as here:

    Compare the Washington seal in the bottom row of seals on this page:

    http://www.smithwarren.com/catalog_80-56.php

    ...to the actual state seal on this page:

    http://www.netstate.com/states/symb/seals/wa_seal.htm

    If it's not an exact replica, what purpose is there in raising what amounts to an meaningless administrative quibble except to make a nuisance of yourself toward a brother in arms?

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  • WKSecurity
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    Here's our badge for Willis-Knighton

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  • Special Investigator
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    Originally posted by Investigation
    Unless you know my experience and training, don’t come at me with some nonsense statement like that.

    Then why don't you tell us all about your "experience & training. I'm sure some of us would love to hear all about it.

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  • flashlightcop509
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    I wish my company allowed nametags on outerwear... We're only allowed them on the uniform shirt, and not on the commando sweater or the jacket; The jacket issue being something about not wanting to put pin holes in it, but they make magnet back nametags so...

    Same for the hats... I wear a CPO campaign hat, but no badge on that either, just the gold/black hat cord, although I've been told that even some of our local PD don't wear badges on their hats either...

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  • security steve
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    You can go to the firestore.com and customize your own badge. Our company issues gold badges with the company name and our unit number.

    In DC, if you are wearing an outer garmet (jacket/sweater) your nameplate and badge must be visible on the outside or you are in violation of code. The same goes for your headgear, it must have a badge on it.

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  • Bill Warnock
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    Originally posted by Investigation
    How constructive of you to step in and offer that piece of valuable advice. Unless you know my experience and training, don’t come at me with some nonsense statement like that.
    Ease off.
    In security we wear what the company issues us.
    As a LEO, I wore what was prescribed by my department.
    When working part-time for a security company, my issued badge looked too much like a police badge and I commented to my company supervisor. I was told "The Company" was formed prior to the establishment of any established law enforcement agency, save the US Marshals Service and were exempt from the badge requirement.
    I am sure that the average LEO will not make a specific guard from a recognized security comapny take-off the badge he was wearing. He would make a note of it and turn over the information to his leadership.
    Enjoy the day,
    Bill

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  • Mr. Security
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    Originally posted by Investigation
    How constructive of you to step in and offer that piece of valuable advice. Unless you know my experience and training, don’t come at me with some nonsense statement like that.
    Well now, I didn't mean to ruffle the feathers of a powerful piece of manpower like you. Allow me to get out of your way while you wield your influence on the powers that be.

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  • Investigation
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    center seal

    Originally posted by Mr. Security
    Please.....let it be. There are more important problems to deal with. If you want to enforce the law, then become a police officer and fight violent crime.
    How constructive of you to step in and offer that piece of valuable advice. Unless you know my experience and training, don’t come at me with some nonsense statement like that.

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  • Lawson
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    Originally posted by Investigation
    . Tell me who they are and maybe I can address it with the powers at be.
    Don Tardiff, Western Washington Merchant Patrol. www.merchantpatrol.com

    When I worked there (bout 3, almost 4 years ago) I think I remember him wearing a seal on his badge. Im not certain, but I think the Lieutenants there wore seals on their badges too.

    Edit to add:
    If you look at the top left of that page I posted, theres a badge w/ a state seal. Its the same design my LT there wore.

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  • SecureTN
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    Mine is similar to Mall Director's. Has Security Officer on it, and the Company seal.

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  • Mr. Security
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    Originally posted by Investigation
    .....Sure, you may see other companies use the seal, but that does not make it legal. Tell me who they are and maybe I can address it with the powers at be.
    Please.....let it be. There are more important problems to deal with. If you want to enforce the law, then become a police officer and fight violent crime.

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  • Investigation
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    Center Seal

    Originally posted by BHR Lawson
    Uh... can you show me which RCW, WAC, or AGO says security can't use the state seal? I'm pretty sure in Washington anyone can use it. The private security RCW says nothing about using the state seal, all it says is you cant use any law enforcement emblems, which the seal is not.

    RCW 43.04.050
    Use of state seal — Prohibitions — Imitations.

    (1) Except as otherwise provided in RCW 43.04.040, the state seal shall not be used on or in connection with any advertising or promotion for any product, business, organization, service, or article whether offered for sale for profit or offered without charge. [I guess it could apply here, but I doubt it]
    (2) The state seal shall never be used in a political campaign to assist or defeat any candidate for elective office.

    (3) It is a violation of this chapter to use any symbol that imitates the seal or that is deceptively similar in appearance to the seal, in any manner that would be an improper use of the official seal itself.

    (4) Nothing in this chapter shall prohibit the reproduction of the state seal for illustrative purposes by the news media if the reproduction by the news media is incidental to the publication or the broadcast. Nothing in this chapter shall prohibit a characterization of the state seal from being used in political cartoons.

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    RCW 18.170.160
    Licenses required — Use of public law enforcement insignia prohibited — Penalties — Enforcement.

    (1) After June 30, 1992, any person who performs the functions and duties of a private security guard in this state without being licensed in accordance with this chapter, or any person presenting or attempting to use as his or her own the license of another, or any person who gives false or forged evidence of any kind to the director in obtaining a license, or any person who falsely impersonates any other licensee, or any person who attempts to use an expired or revoked license, or any person who violates any of the provisions of this chapter is guilty of a gross misdemeanor.

    (2) After January 1, 1992, a person is guilty of a gross misdemeanor if he or she owns or operates a private security company in this state without first obtaining a private security company license.

    (3) After June 30, 1992, the owner or qualifying agent of a private security company is guilty of a gross misdemeanor if he or she employs an unlicensed person to perform the duties of a private security guard without issuing the employee a valid temporary registration card if the employee does not have in his or her possession a permanent private security guard license issued by the department. This subsection does not preclude a private security company from requiring applicants to attend preassignment training classes or from paying wages for attending the required preassignment training classes.

    (4) After June 30, 1992, a person is guilty of a gross misdemeanor if he or she performs the functions and duties of an armed private security guard in this state unless the person holds a valid armed private security guard license issued by the department.

    (5) After June 30, 1992, it is a gross misdemeanor for a private security company to hire, contract with, or otherwise engage the services of an unlicensed armed private security guard knowing that he or she does not have a valid armed private security guard license issued by the director.

    (6) It is a gross misdemeanor for a person to possess or use any vehicle or equipment displaying the word "police" or "law enforcement officer" or having any sign, shield, marking, accessory, or insignia that indicates that the equipment or vehicle belongs to a public law enforcement agency.

    (7) It is a gross misdemeanor for any person who performs the functions and duties of a private security guard to use any name that includes the word "police" or "law enforcement" or that portrays the individual or a business as a public law enforcement agency.

    (8) It is the duty of all officers of the state and political subdivisions thereof to enforce the provisions of this chapter. The attorney general shall act as legal adviser of the director, and render such legal assistance as may be necessary in carrying out the provisions of this chapter.
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    Nothing in there about using the state seal... I think In WA you can use it on a badge. If not, theres a lot of companies in trouble cause Ive seen lots of companies around using WA Seals.

    Right, if you work for a private business (e.g. private security) and you are using the official State seal in conjunction with your job, then it would appear that you are representing the State in some official capacity or that you derive your powers from the State. It would be prudent to stay away from the State seal and avoid possible impersonation issues with law enforcement (especially if you purchase your own badge). Sure, you may see other companies use the seal, but that does not make it legal. Tell me who they are and maybe I can address it with the powers at be.
    Last edited by Investigation; 11-18-2006, 05:02 AM.

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  • bigdog
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    Heres florida's law against using the state seal

    493.6124 Use of state seal; prohibited.--No person or licensee shall use any facsimile reproduction or pictorial portion of the Great seal of the state of Florida on any badge, credentials, identification card, or other means of identification used in connection with any activities regulated under this chapter.

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  • Lawson
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    Originally posted by davis002
    That's mine... Designed and Purchased through Symbol Arts. They are expensive, but worth it.
    Thats actually the design I wanted... but I couldnt find it. I wanted the 7point star since we are a county affiliated agency and our County Corrections and Sheriff's Deputies wear 7 point stars, however, being in the facility I am, I feel a star being ripped from my belt can easily become a weapon, so Im opting for the shield with a star on it.

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