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  • #31
    I normally carry two sets, in single cases, behind my pistol and my flashlight. I have actually carried four sets, and that was because the other two pairs were given to me by deputies who were tired of running out of handcuffs on my property. My site's problems (gang members) were the deputies problems, and the deputies had a substation on my site. There was quite a lot of mutual aid - I've backed single deputies up on traffic stops on my site as well as been in dog piles to get control of some SOB who's "not going down."

    Back then, most of the deputies only carried one set. A few visionaries were carrying two sets of cuffs, but it was against Sheriff's policy. I carried two normally, another set on a strap up front, and another in a case in front of my pistol.

    When I left that site, I had about six pairs of handcuffs and went back to carrying two sets. I only carry more if somebody needs more cuffs.
    Some Kind of Commando Leader

    "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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    • #32
      As far as handcuffs go, I carry two sets. One set is simply not enough, especially if you are cuffing a "large" individual. At that point, you will want two sets. I have a package of disposable restraints in the trunk for when I need them. Depending on where i'm at, I may or may not throw a couple in a cargo pocket.

      Last year while working a fairly active account, we had 5 people arrested in a span of 30-45 minutes. That was the only time I ever utilized the flex cuffs, but I was happy we had them at that point. One thing to remember when you are using flex cuffs... you want to monitor the inidividual closely. If not used properly, they can cause some serious nerve damage. Unlike conventional handcuffs, you cannot double-lock flex cuffs. If the individual is intoxicated (or just stupid), they may inadvertanley tighten them while they attempt to struggle free.
      "To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the highest skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun-Tzu

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      • #33
        Hi. This is my first post on the forums

        I've been in the security industry on the border of N.S.W. and Q.L.D in Australia now for 13yrs.

        I've always spent good money on making sure I always had the best gear available as I often work 12hrs+ per day, 6 days a week.

        For the past 8yrs I've always worn a Bianchi B2 leather duty belt, ASP 26" sidebreak scabbard on my right side (I'm right handed) with a 26" ASP baton, Hellweg handcuff and first aid pouch all in one (issued to N.S.W. Police) on my left side with one pair of American Handcuff Company chained Ultra light handcuffs, and just in front of the handcuff pouch a V27 open top leather Surefire pouch and of course then a Surefire 6P. When I needed a two-way I carried an Icom IC-40S in an Icom heavy duty swivel carry case behind my baton.

        I've always prefered to wear basketweave leather over nylon due to its "visual deterentness". I also own a complete Bianchi Accumold duty rig which includes the double handcuff pouch (back part has a small first-aid kit in it), covered light pouch for my 6P and a ballistic weave ASP 26" sidebreak scabbard, plus a single mag pouch for my Leatherman Charge XTI behind my handcuff pouch on the left.

        I admit that the Accumold rig is far lighter to wear, but it just doesn't have that high visual presence and subsequent deterent factor with it that basketweave leather has.

        In saying that, I've recently replaced and retired my leather Bianchi rig I outlined above in the last few weeks.

        I'm now wear and use the Bianchi Accumold Elite duty gear. I use the Sam Browne belt (7960), with the 26" ASP sidebreak scabbard on my rightside, with the double handcuff accumold elite pouch (7917) straight behind it. On my left I have my 6P in the compact light pouch (7911) just forward my two-way radio in its hard swivel leather case, with a single accumold elite mag pouch (7903) straight behind for my Leatherman Charge XTi. I always make sure tho my baton and handcuffs are right under my right arm simply for weapon retention

        It's half the weight of leather, still has the same visual presence as leather and is a lot cheaper to replace if need be. I'm glad I've made the swap.

        If I need to be armed (which I'm not a massive firearm fan only due to the laws here where most of the time if you needed to discharge it you can't anyway so a well trained dog is far superior) I use the Bianchi SLR Tornado leather holster for a Glock Model 22, with a Bianchi double mag pouch (20C) at the front on the left side right beside my belt buckle.

        I also carry on me at all times a set of Hatch Friskmaster Supermax gloves as I've been in 4 knife incidents now where I've had an offender attempt to stab me. Luckily tho I'm trained in PPCT spontanious knife defence and train daily in it, so I'm still here to tell the tale.

        Unfortunately the N.S.W. Police Commissioner refuses to let security personnel posses, carry or use any chemical agent that renders an offender incoherient and it's a prohibited weapon for anyone else other than a serving N.S.W. Police Officer or N.S.W. Sheriff. I can't wait for the day that law is changed as a bottle of capsicum spray makes dealing with those high on cocaine or ICE when they have the strength of 10 men a whole lot easier than a baton.

        I can honestly say that in this line of work it's never a good idea to skimp on gear due to the cost. As I've found out on many occassions, excellent gear can be a life saver.

        Take care and be safe.............
        A well trained dog is worth 10 men!

        I can recall my dog, but I can never recall a fired bullet!

        Would you prefer me to use the dog, the Glock, the baton or the O.C. spray? It's your health insurance so you decide. Alternatively there is always the handcuffs, followed by the Police with the court house preceeding rapidly after. Now which service would you like me to utilise

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        • #34
          Welcome from Montreal Canada. I believe our laws on weapons are similiar. What type of security do you do? What type is it when you are armed? In Canada only armoured car people are now allowed to be armed.
          I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
          Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by HotelSecurity
            Welcome from Montreal Canada. I believe our laws on weapons are similiar. What type of security do you do? What type is it when you are armed? In Canada only armoured car people are now allowed to be armed.

            Thank you

            My duties vary from a static guard which can see me in shopping centres, accident and emergency wards in hospitals to foot patrols of locals streets, to night patrols in cars, crowd control which is usually pubs (I think you people call them bars) and clubs, and finally my love K-9 duties.

            I'm usually only armed when I'm on night patrols or performing cash escorts. I never carry a firearm when I know there is the potential that I will have to get involved in large scale brawls etc as you have enough to worry about without the added worry of having someone attempt to take your weapon. When I am armed I carry a model 22 Glock, and always carry it in my Bianchi SLR Tornado holster. It's a tripple retention holster with the slidelock on the thumbsnap and PRD internally. I've tried the Safariland rotating hood holster which is the holster of standard issue to most Police agencies accross Australia but I just couldn't get to the liking of it.

            In N.S.W. and Q.L.D. here in Australia you can not legally discharge a firearm if you're endangering the life of another person who is not the threat you need to stop, hence why firearms in shopping centres or crowded venues here are useless! At least if I have my german shepherd I can send him into a crowd and he will take down that one person I need to stop. As I often say to people "I can recall my dog, but I can never recall a bullet!"

            To carry a firearm in N.S.W. you must have been a licenced security officer for at least 12mths, you need a letter from your employer stating you're required to carry a firearm. Now you need to undergo a mental assesment before being allowed to do your theory and then practical. You can only wear one if you're protecting cash and/or valuables.

            In Q.L.D. the laws there are seriously dangerous and down right draconian in relation to weapons. If you're a crowd controller i.e. working at sports match like football, or in nightclubs etc you are prohibitted by law from possesing, carrying and using restricted items such as handcuffs and batons. So many guards have been injured due to this ludicrious law. I'm attempting at present to have this law changed but it's not easy.

            I simply prefer to work with my german shepherd. He is highly trained and those people in the local areas I go know he isn't to be messed with. A well trained dog is worth 10 men and he has gotten me and others including Police Officers out of some nasty situations over the years. He's as gentle as a lamb, but when duty calls turns into a raging tornado. I train hard everyday in PPCT defensive tactics and knife defence. That mixed with a well rigged duty belt, a highly trained dog and above all heaps of common sense and brains with ears and eyes open and mouth shut are the best weapons you can ever have.
            A well trained dog is worth 10 men!

            I can recall my dog, but I can never recall a fired bullet!

            Would you prefer me to use the dog, the Glock, the baton or the O.C. spray? It's your health insurance so you decide. Alternatively there is always the handcuffs, followed by the Police with the court house preceeding rapidly after. Now which service would you like me to utilise

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            • #36
              Originally posted by K-9 Aussie
              Thank you

              My duties vary from a static guard which can see me in shopping centres, accident and emergency wards in hospitals to foot patrols of locals streets, to night patrols in cars, crowd control which is usually pubs (I think you people call them bars) and clubs, and finally my love K-9 duties.

              I'm usually only armed when I'm on night patrols or performing cash escorts. I never carry a firearm when I know there is the potential that I will have to get involved in large scale brawls etc as you have enough to worry about without the added worry of having someone attempt to take your weapon. When I am armed I carry a model 22 Glock, and always carry it in my Bianchi SLR Tornado holster. It's a tripple retention holster with the slidelock on the thumbsnap and PRD internally. I've tried the Safariland rotating hood holster which is the holster of standard issue to most Police agencies accross Australia but I just couldn't get to the liking of it.

              In N.S.W. and Q.L.D. here in Australia you can not legally discharge a firearm if you're endangering the life of another person who is not the threat you need to stop, hence why firearms in shopping centres or crowded venues here are useless! At least if I have my german shepherd I can send him into a crowd and he will take down that one person I need to stop. As I often say to people "I can recall my dog, but I can never recall a bullet!"

              To carry a firearm in N.S.W. you must have been a licenced security officer for at least 12mths, you need a letter from your employer stating you're required to carry a firearm. Now you need to undergo a mental assesment before being allowed to do your theory and then practical. You can only wear one if you're protecting cash and/or valuables.

              In Q.L.D. the laws there are seriously dangerous and down right draconian in relation to weapons. If you're a crowd controller i.e. working at sports match like football, or in nightclubs etc you are prohibitted by law from possesing, carrying and using restricted items such as handcuffs and batons. So many guards have been injured due to this ludicrious law. I'm attempting at present to have this law changed but it's not easy.

              I simply prefer to work with my german shepherd. He is highly trained and those people in the local areas I go know he isn't to be messed with. A well trained dog is worth 10 men and he has gotten me and others including Police Officers out of some nasty situations over the years. He's as gentle as a lamb, but when duty calls turns into a raging tornado. I train hard everyday in PPCT defensive tactics and knife defence. That mixed with a well rigged duty belt, a highly trained dog and above all heaps of common sense and brains with ears and eyes open and mouth shut are the best weapons you can ever have.
              K-9 Aussie:
              As developed by the London Metropolitan Police in the 1950s, copied by the Washington DC Metropolitan Police with the help of the British and first introduced in the the Military by the USAF in the summer of 1968, the Patrol Dog Program has been a success when used properly and after both the trainer and K-9 have been carefully selected.
              The K-9 was looked upon with a certain repugnance after seeing untrained and uncaring Southern US Police Agencies use the dog against civil rights demonstrations in the 1950-60s. Bull Connor was the example we all remember.
              You have two exceptional muscles if they are used, the brain and tongue.
              Keep up the good work and enjoy the day, or is that cheers mate or ga day mate?
              Bill

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Penthrox
                Hi,

                I am only new to the forums but I am a C.I.T (Cash in Transit) Officer and also an Armed Patrol Officer here in Adelaide, South Australia, Australia. Our laws here sound very similar to some Provinces in Canada. One thing I am curious about is how certain officers set up their "Rig". Mine is unique to my company and I am the only one who carries cuffs on patrol. Please feel free to discuss what you carry/wear or any flaws in how mine is set up. This is my set up:

                http://dl.xboxzone.com.au/image/pent...uty_belt_1.jpg
                (to get this to work just click the link, it will then say you do not have permission then click the link in the URL bar then press enter and it will work)

                From Left to Right:
                Safariland Double Mag Pouch (Second hand from Brother who is a PO), Uncle Mikes Open Top Cuff Pouch which carries Peerless Hinged Cuffs, Bianchi PatrolTek Swivel Radio Holder with Motorola GP 328 Radio (we have repeaters set up all over our patrol route. Supprisingly they work really well), Uncle Mikes Open Top Baton Holder which holds an ASP 21" Baton (Must be kept at work by law), Uncle Mikes D Cell Torch Holder, Uncle Mikes Closed Top Single Cuff Case which carries S&W Model 100 Cuffs, Ferno Single Glove Pouch, Uncle Mikes Closed Top Single Cuff Case which carries S&W Model 100 Cuffs, Uncle Mikes Pro 3 Retention Holster (I carry a Beretta 92FS, Compared to everyone else apart from my boss carry Glock 17I's), BlackHawk! LE Duty Gear Chem Agent MK3 Pouch which carries DYEWitness (Now in Australia apart from 1 state it is completely illegal to carry a spray that contains an irritant; such as pepper spray/fog/mace as it comes under the dangerous articles act. Now our batons and our firearms are both level 6 use of force options. Level 6 being lethal force. We had no other force options apart from open handed techniques, so the other officers I worked with all seeked another option and we came across DYEwitness which is a green foam that marks people with a green dye for upto 7 days for easy identification. So we went with that), Uncle Mikes Cordura 6P Sure Fire light case which holds a Surefire 6P, Sony Ericsson Sports Phone Case and a Zak Tools ZT 55 Key Ring Holder all on an Uncle Mikes Sidekick Duty Belt.

                So yeah all my gear is my own I purchased it when I started up. Funny thing is I have better gear than our PO's except of STARgroup officers (South Aus Version of SWAT). So any comments please feel free


                Hi Penthrox

                I have a few ideas I recommend to you to change to be more comfortable, practical and lastly better weapon retention.

                I'm presuming you're right handed so here are my recommendations based on you being right handed:-

                1.) Always carry your baton on your strong side, behind your firearm and always present and use it with your weapon hand (in your case your right hand)
                2.) Put the Dyewitness near the buckle on your right hand side, once again use your weapon hand to present and use it.
                3.) Put your Surefire 6P on your left side in front of your two-way radio pouch. Remember you might have to enter a premises that is dark and you will need to then use tactical shooting methods which includes a light of course. You draw up and use the 6P with your non-weapon hand whilst you still have your weapon hand free to draw your firearm, baton or OC spray. Test it with your firearm. Press the back of your right hand whilst holding your firearm against the back of your left hand whilst you're holding your 6P. Push forward hard and also push the backs of each hand hard against each other. That's one of the most comfortable and common night tactical shooting positions.
                4.) Ditch the 3 handcuff pouches and simply purchase a double handcuff pouch, either Bianchi or Uncle Mikes. You've taken up most of your belt with handcuff pouches. Place the double handcuff pouch directly behind your baton pouch. Always try and keep your main weapons on your strong side. Don't worry like a lot of other uneducated security officers in Australia about carrying the handcuffs on your strong side as you need that hand to detain the offender etc. You should only ever handcuff once the offender has stopped resisting, wether it be in the standing, kneeling or lying position grab their right thumb with your left hand and twist it and then once you have them and they know it draw your cuffs into the handuffing hold position and cuff them up.
                5.) Place your mobile phone holder in front of your 6P pouch on your left side.
                6.) Leave your double mag pouch where it is, as to your two-way radio and maglite ring.
                7.) Place your glove pouch behind your two-way radio.

                If you do all this, you'll find the weights better distributed, it's more comfortable to sit down, be on your feet for long hours, far greater weapon retention and also in colder months when you need a jacket and if it has side weapon access points (remember your holster is a jacket slot too) all your gear can then be on the outside where you need it, instead of tucked away underneath your jacket leaving you vunerable.

                Hope that helps.
                A well trained dog is worth 10 men!

                I can recall my dog, but I can never recall a fired bullet!

                Would you prefer me to use the dog, the Glock, the baton or the O.C. spray? It's your health insurance so you decide. Alternatively there is always the handcuffs, followed by the Police with the court house preceeding rapidly after. Now which service would you like me to utilise

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                • #38
                  K9

                  Thanks for the advice I have done all that you mentioned and I will take a photo at some stage today whilst I am at work.

                  The only thing I wanted to mention was that you said in your state you can only have a firearm "You can only wear one if you're protecting cash and/or valuables." In my state we use them for patrols, some static work (I carry one in a pokie venue here for what reason I do not know. It is only 1 of 2 in the state that requires you to be armed) cash/valuble escorting and a few others. I do cash escorts for Chubb and I am required to enter Adelaide Airport as part of my duties onto the tarmac where before we enter mus disarm and be escorted by APS (Australian Protective Services) a division of the Australian Federal Police.

                  You also stated that you carry a baton which is illegal here unless you have a security firearms licence (H6) and it must never be worn without a firearm. In regards to pepper spray we have been trying here for years unsuccessfully I might add for its use by security the police claim they will not give it too us because it could get into the hands of undesirable people. Main worry for them is bikie gangs which I hate to break it to the police have had it for a long time. The thing that really boggles the mind is that in Western Australia it is LEGAL for anyone over the age of 18 to buy it.

                  Take care and always come home safe.
                  Fight what is Wrong, Believe what is True, Do what is Right

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                  • #39
                    I've never understood why governments will allow you to carry a weapon has no purpose other than ending human life, but won't allow you to carry a can of pepper spray.
                    Some Kind of Commando Leader

                    "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Penthrox
                      K9

                      Thanks for the advice I have done all that you mentioned and I will take a photo at some stage today whilst I am at work.

                      The only thing I wanted to mention was that you said in your state you can only have a firearm "You can only wear one if you're protecting cash and/or valuables." In my state we use them for patrols, some static work (I carry one in a pokie venue here for what reason I do not know. It is only 1 of 2 in the state that requires you to be armed) cash/valuble escorting and a few others. I do cash escorts for Chubb and I am required to enter Adelaide Airport as part of my duties onto the tarmac where before we enter mus disarm and be escorted by APS (Australian Protective Services) a division of the Australian Federal Police.

                      You also stated that you carry a baton which is illegal here unless you have a security firearms licence (H6) and it must never be worn without a firearm. In regards to pepper spray we have been trying here for years unsuccessfully I might add for its use by security the police claim they will not give it too us because it could get into the hands of undesirable people. Main worry for them is bikie gangs which I hate to break it to the police have had it for a long time. The thing that really boggles the mind is that in Western Australia it is LEGAL for anyone over the age of 18 to buy it.

                      Take care and always come home safe.


                      No worries mate, glad the info helped.

                      In N.S.W. we can be armed performing static guard, mobile patrols or cash escorts but the rule is we must be protecting cash and/or valuables and you must be carrying out security duties. I know one guard that hadn't eaten all day, was on a 14hr shift and simply grabbed himself a Wendy's hotdog and drink. The local licencing sergeant came past and wittnessed this and actually threatened to take his security licence as at that moment in time he wasn't performing security duties.

                      We've had a lot of trouble in N.S.W. with dodgy security companies having their firearms stolen. The problem has become so bad all the .357 calibre and .40 calibre weapons have been taken off security companies and all we can have is 9mm

                      N. A. Corbier:- I know what you're saying trust me. I'm about to embark on a well put together proposal to the Commissioner of N.S.W. Police to allow security officers to carry and use O.C. sprays. It really is bad these days with the amount of people on I.C.E. and speed etc. They have the strength of 10 men and often don't feel a baton no mater how hard you hit them. It's sorely needed these days.

                      In Q.L.D. if you're acting as a crowd control officer or in any capacity maintaning public order you are prohibited by law from carrying, possesing and using handcuffs and batons which is grossly dangerous and negligent. If I had a dollar for everytime I've seen a group of guards belting someone in Surfers Paradise when all they need do is place them in handcuffs and hand them over to Police I'd be a millionare! I'm also in the early phase of putting a propsal to the premier of Q.L.D. to change this draconian and abhorrent outdated law changed.


                      I'd take some pics and post them up of my duty rigs, but don't have anywhere to host them.
                      A well trained dog is worth 10 men!

                      I can recall my dog, but I can never recall a fired bullet!

                      Would you prefer me to use the dog, the Glock, the baton or the O.C. spray? It's your health insurance so you decide. Alternatively there is always the handcuffs, followed by the Police with the court house preceeding rapidly after. Now which service would you like me to utilise

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                      • #41
                        Well lemme see, Going from the right front around to otherside I have worn...

                        Double Cuff case (Hiatts-chainlink), MK IV Pepper spray hodler (Frist Def spray) Bianchi Level II Holster I wanna say SpeedLock (Beretta 96 (.40)), ASP, glove case (nitrile), radio holder, Flashlight holder (Surefire 8NX), Double Mag pouch.

                        That oughta do it.

                        But, the current job the only thing I have on my belt is belt loops. (No duty belt) But that's soon to change to the above again (hopefully)
                        ~Super Ninja Sniper~
                        Corbier's Commandos

                        Nemo me impune lacessit

                        Grammical and Spelling errors may occur form time to time. Yoov bin worned

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                        • #42
                          My current set up is as follows :

                          All bianchi accumold:
                          Double cuff case (peerless Cuffs), Nextel Case, Safariland SS III holster with Glock 19, Leatherman, Glove case, Radio holder, ASP, Surefire flashlight, MK-3 OC, Double mag case.
                          Robert
                          Here endith the lesson

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                          • #43
                            Ok, here's my set-up.....


                            (left to right) Weapon light, 2 extra 18rd magazines, radio w/speaker mic, pepper spray, large flashlight holder, extra shotgun ammo, glock 17, expandable batton, cuff's.
                            "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

                            ~~George Orwell.

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                            • #44
                              Did you know that you can be popped for carrying a MK 4 can of pepper spray if its more than 2 ounces? With the problems your agency has with the local cops, make sure whatever spray you're buying is actually legal.

                              I've found that just because it can be bought at the local Gander Mountain doesn't mean its actually legal.
                              Some Kind of Commando Leader

                              "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Special Investigator
                                extra shotgun ammo
                                I want to know why and yet at the same time I don't want to know why...
                                ~Super Ninja Sniper~
                                Corbier's Commandos

                                Nemo me impune lacessit

                                Grammical and Spelling errors may occur form time to time. Yoov bin worned

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