O.C. Review...

[Mall Director]

Yeah, did you read the advisories on that one though.. I was kinda unsettled with the facts of inconsistancies.. Your thoughts?

[SecureTN]

Okay, sorry for any confusion, I do not carry it at work. I carry it off duty.

[N. A. Corbier]

I used to carry Freeze +P. Back in 1995, it was the "perferred brand" of Bigdog's company. Yeah... It was next to worthless for me.

[LessLethal1]

MSDS Sheet

I am interested in a copy of the MSDS on STREETWISE. It is not the product we use, However, we do know of an agency using it and would like to pass that along to them. We use Sabre Products here, and have had alot of luck with that.

Any help with this matter would be greatly appreciated.

[Mall Director]

Let me see what I can do.. Can you PM your email, as I can attach it!

[LessLethal1]

I sent the e-mail in a PM. It acted a little funny, so I hope it went through.


Thanks again.

[Mall Director]

Yeah.. like three times.. LOL.. I wasnt sure if you were overly excited about an MSDS or you had email probs.. I was hoping the second of the two!

[LessLethal1]

The second is it. e-mail problems.

[Mall Director]

Bad News...

Well, I pruchased a subsription to the MSDS site a while ago, so I could get my hands on every known MSDS ever made.. Problem..

FireMaster 17% Streetwise "Pepper Spray", under its seller, Black Ridges Security Products, manufactoring by GNU Industries, out of Vancouver Canada, has no MSDS sheets. I emailed the corporation, and never got a response. I checked into the OSHA MSDS site, and the company exsists, but manufactor's automotive degreasing products, but has no listings for their products of pepper spray...

As I searched, I poked into Black Ridge Security Products.. THey have some real pleasant "disclaimers" at the bottom of their site, and on a "complaint page". As I researched heavier into it, i found this..

Black Ridge Security Products, was a major supplier of GNU Industries products, the manufactorer of STREETWISE. It is based out of Florida, but due to the sales of their products to an out of country destination, they do not have to comply with most government regulations of chemical products. To top it.. GNU Industries is tied up in several lawsuits. Even though they placed a disclaimer that their products are not 100% safe (which worries me), they are in all sorts of trouble with the BBC as they are bombarded with several hundreds of negative responses.

As for the product its self, I cant anyone to answer me about the product, including GNU Industries. There are no materials listings for its propellant, but from what they do list off, 17% OC, meaning their combination of OC, has 83% water and/or unknown chemicals, and 17% OC/Mace. From education, this amount of Oil in the formula, will require a heavy propellant to get it out and to the subject... I am drawing blanks on what solution they could be using to get such a heavy substance out of the can...

Streetwise does use an OC/Mace Combo, so its not 100% natural products.

My personal opinion.. Stay away from this product, especially if you are in the states.. it will get you in some trouble if that time comes.. A company facing several suits, having major issues with their suppliers (or visa versa), and selling out of country, but wont sell in country.. Makes me leary!!

[LessLethal1]

The Answer is, They are using Industrial Solvent to get the product out of the canister. I know the HPLC testing shows that this product is not what it claims to be as far as the OC goes. So, why does it burn? The answer again is the industrial solvents. We would never take a can of BRAKE CLEANER and spray it into someones eyes, yet some of the very products we use have the same chemicals in them.

Thanks for looking in to the MSDS sheet for me. I agree with the fact that STREETWISE OC SHOULD NOT BE USED. It is litigation waiting to happen.

[Mall Director]

Kewlness...

I am glad you are smart about what you use! Maybe I am paranoid.. Maybe I am overly retentive.. Or maybe I am just plain crazy..

But in this day and world, I am worried about two things..

One, is myself and my Officers.. OC is a great tool, not 100% always effective, but something that can save our lives or from harm.

Two, we all live in a sue happy world, where we were not the ones asking to be attacked, but we forced into a situation where we have had to defend ourselves, then some joker wants to sue us because he was "tush hurt" over not getting their way, and wants to claim we used something that forever hurt them and the rest of their lives.. Shhhyaa, whatever, LOL!

You shoot someone who is in your living room at 3:55AM, with a black mask on and a crow bar. The guy sues you for his medical bills.

Or the jerk breaks his leg tripping over your coffee table, while helping himself to your new plasma TV, and sues you..

Its not fair, its not right, but its the world nowdays.. Lets protect ourselves every way possible.

[Bill Warnock]

I am glad you are smart about what you use! Maybe I am paranoid.. Maybe I am overly retentive.. Or maybe I am just plain crazy..

But in this day and world, I am worried about two things..

One, is myself and my Officers.. OC is a great tool, not 100% always effective, but something that can save our lives or from harm.

Two, we all live in a sue happy world, where we were not the ones asking to be attacked, but we forced into a situation where we have had to defend ourselves, then some joker wants to sue us because he was "tush hurt" over not getting their way, and wants to claim we used something that forever hurt them and the rest of their lives.. Shhhyaa, whatever, LOL!

You shoot someone who is in your living room at 3:55AM, with a black mask on and a crow bar. The guy sues you for his medical bills.

Or the jerk breaks his leg tripping over your coffee table, while helping himself to your new plasma TV, and sues you..

Its not fair, its not right, but its the world nowdays.. Lets protect ourselves every way possible.

I live by what was learned in the Sheriff's Academy, "I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by six." You enter my home with the intent to harm and you will not leave there alive. I practice with each of my handguns and plan to use all the training taught, a string of three rounds, two center mass and one in the head. There might be a suit by the heirs but certainly not the decedent. I will request a shooting team visit my home and then ask the Commonwealth Attorney to present me to the grand jury. It will be either a "True Bill" or "No Bill."
We had a Virginia registered sex offender work at the end of our street. When our grandchildren visited and were playing in the front or back yard I was with them and so was my "noise." If he approached, there would be a verbal warning heard by the entire neighborhood. He he continued his line of march, I would employ deadly force, not in fear of my life but of my grandchildren's life or lives.
When his employer found out we, as the neighborhood, were less than enchanted with his presence, asked him to leave. It was said he moved to Alabama to live with relatives. Under the recently passed federal law, "The Adam Walsh Law" he will be required to re-register with 30 days of his arrival.
I do understand your concern that we live in a highly litigious society, but the "reasonably purdent man rule" still applies.
Enjoy the day,
Bill

[Mall Director]

Bill...

On a side note, which we wont go to far off topic (lol, hopefully) and get back to OC.. Have you noticed that even with the Walsh Law, most of the registered sex offenders will register once, and move at a later time, and not register. I asked about this when I spoke with some of our CBI reps (Colorado Bureau of Investigations), and there isnt enough support to keep the multitude of these type offenders registered. Is this common in your area?

[Bill Warnock]

Bill...

On a side note, which we wont go to far off topic (lol, hopefully) and get back to OC.. Have you noticed that even with the Walsh Law, most of the registered sex offenders will register once, and move at a later time, and not register. I asked about this when I spoke with some of our CBI reps (Colorado Bureau of Investigations), and there isnt enough support to keep the multitude of these type offenders registered. Is this common in your area?

Mall Director there is plenty of support at all levels of government in Virginia. If you are a convicted offender and move to this area you had best register with the local police within 90-days after you establish residence. Most states and jurisdiction share a lot of data. Virginia the registered have their photographs, vital statistics, date of registry and date of required re-registery, where convicted and how many offenses committed, where he lives and works and a map showing exactly where the offender lives.
Enjoy the day,
Bill

[Mall Director]

Update to Streetwise:

Well, I got the MSDS on this one, and checkied into it. I researched the compounds and chemical composition of this product. I was pretty much right in being leary of the product itself, as well as the manufactorer.

For one.. They list their product as "17%".. I dont see how, the MSDS lists it a "8-10%" OC compound. The complete composition of Streetwise:

8-10% Oleoresin Capsicum
.01% Nitrogen
9-10% Proplyene Glycol
25-27% I.P.A.
54-57% Inert, Deionized Water

After researching come of the chemicals on this, I found that items such as the glycol and IPA are used in "Working Hydrolic Presses", "As a base ingredient in aircraft deicing fluid and some automobile antifreezes", and "As the killing and preserving agent in pitfall traps, usually used to capture ground beetles".. I found this slightly disturbing.

The MSDS wasnt in OSHA format either. I want to scan this and post it, and let you determine the validity behind this.