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  • #16
    Originally posted by Tennsix
    I recall a story about an officer sleeping on duty, on the night shift. Other officers applied several layers of wet newspapers to the car windows. The newspapers kept the sunlight from coming in and the officer slept until 0900. The shifted ended at 0700.
    LOL I hope he didn't put in for two hours of overtime
    Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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    • #17
      That happened when I was on Hurricane Duty in Louisiana. One of our guards went to sleep in his car so some of the local deputies put black trash bags over his windows, when he woke up he was confused and didnt know what the hell was going on.
      "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
      "The Curve" 1998

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      • #18
        Tried posting to this thread, but I got a database error. Attempting to repost to the thread.
        Some Kind of Commando Leader

        "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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        • #19
          I would look at the whole situation before making a determination on discipline. Granted, I hate it when people sleep on duty but need to ask myself why? Has the officer been working a lot of double shifts or overtime? If so, then this might be a management issue and he shouldn't be disciplined. Is there a health issue involved? If this were the case, I would suspend him without pay pending a doctors appointment. I say without pay not to be harsh but if your not getting a paycheck that should motivate you to get your butt into a doctor asap. Is the officer just switching shifts (i.e. from days to graves)? This isn't a good excuse but one needs to remember the human element, in my case I would probably send him home for the night. Is he working a second job? In this case I would fire him as his second work is interfering with this job. Family problems? This can be the trickiest because of mental stress. This might require a sit down with the officer and discuss the situation. Might tell him to take a couple of days off to work things out. Lazy? Well I don't tolerate laziness, bye bye. The bottom line is there are some bona fide reasons why someone might be sleeping on duty that need to be looked at. Obviously if the guard wanders off to find a nice comfy spot thats different than accidentally nodding off. In the case mentioned the guard wandered into a hotel room. I have a problem with this as it shows he wanted to sleep. I would personally give him his paycheck and tell him to turn his uniforms in as we don't have a place for him. Granted, you will be shorthanded, but then you are shorthanded when hes sleeping on duty anyways so it wont be a difference. Just my thoughts.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Michael Ledgerwood
            ..... In the case mentioned the guard wandered into a hotel room. I have a problem with this as it shows he wanted to sleep. I would personally give him his paycheck and tell him to turn his uniforms in as we don't have a place for him.
            Throw in a pillow to.
            Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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            • #21
              Worse thing was he left the room dirty. Management found out that someone had slept there the next day when they asked us to audit the electronic lock. I tempted to fire him just because he is not smart enough not to get caught!
              I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
              Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by HotelSecurity
                Worse thing was he left the room dirty. Management found out that someone had slept there the next day when they asked us to audit the electronic lock. I tempted to fire him just because he is not smart enough not to get caught!
                Charge him for the room.
                Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                • #23
                  if you havent got anyone else to work at least dock his pay for the time he was unavailable.and give him a written warning.i of the guards that does the 6-12 shift was standing against the wall at the mall sound asleep the other male guard walked straight up to him and pushed him over.the guard that pushed him got an offical warning and now does not have his job i do.the bloke that was asleep also thought that cause he had a second job during the day he was entitled to a longer break.

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                  • #24
                    I believe I speak for everyone here sir, when I say, to Hell with our orders.
                    -Lieutenant Commander Data
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                    • #25
                      That's sad. Remember that the next time your employer wants a favor.
                      Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                      • #26
                        Well, it was university HR not PD HR but that was still a low blow.
                        I believe I speak for everyone here sir, when I say, to Hell with our orders.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Tennsix
                          Well, it was university HR not PD HR but that was still a low blow.
                          We have a word for that. It starts with B, and ends in T.

                          Dock his pay at ETOD... I'd hate to see what your in-house death benefits (not state or federal) for LOD death is, Tennsix, if the HR department is trying to clock you guys out at estimated time of death...

                          Although, I will say this. Unless I know the cop, I won't wake him, especially in a public place, without at least two officers. I was tought a very important rule, which I tried to post earlier and got timeouts on:

                          Never wake a person who is armed alone. They may draw when startled.
                          Some Kind of Commando Leader

                          "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Mr. Security
                            Charge him for the room.
                            Did I mention I like this idea? The room was Out of Order and a loss for that night.
                            Some Kind of Commando Leader

                            "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                            • #29
                              Worth More Dead Than Alive

                              Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
                              We have a word for that. It starts with B, and ends in T.

                              Dock his pay at ETOD... I'd hate to see what your in-house death benefits (not state or federal) for LOD death is, Tennsix, if the HR department is trying to clock you guys out at estimated time of death...

                              Although, I will say this. Unless I know the cop, I won't wake him, especially in a public place, without at least two officers. I was tought a very important rule, which I tried to post earlier and got timeouts on:

                              Never wake a person who is armed alone. They may draw when startled.
                              Our LOD death benefits are pretty decent. The state/federal benefits are in addition to that. My ex always joked (i think) that she would be sure to be me in while I am on duty.
                              I believe I speak for everyone here sir, when I say, to Hell with our orders.
                              -Lieutenant Commander Data
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                              • #30
                                Docking him 4 hours & charging him $43.00 (employee rate) was my exact thoughts. Then he came in smelling of beer 2 mornings later...GOODBYE!
                                I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
                                Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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