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    Can someone familiar with security in Wisconsin tell me what a security company needs with a Federal Signal siren in all their patrol cars? Is this legal?
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    Probably not... There's a company in the Portland area that has sirens in all their cars, but never uses them. (And even has a strict rule AGAINST using them in their SOP) So why have them in the first place? Always confused me..
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    • #3
      They probably have SOME reason for using them... like scaring people off... alerting their location, etc... a good piece of safety equipment like a whistle... They might use them to assist in parades or funeral processions. I could see a variety of uses, but they can definately be abused.
      "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Wackenhut Lawson
        They probably have SOME reason for using them... like scaring people off... alerting their location, etc... a good piece of safety equipment like a whistle... They might use them to assist in parades or funeral processions. I could see a variety of uses, but they can definately be abused.
        Its illegal to run sirens on public roads unless your an authorized emergency vehicle. But, funeral processions in Wisconsin don't seem to be able to run reds or violate traffic laws to keep together - they require a police escort to do these things. They don't even get lightbars on the lead car, just signs that say "FUNERAL."

        I can see a PA, but a full blown PA-300 siren?

        BTW, in a minor thread derail... I clicked on WWMP or whatever. Why are they running radar?
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        • #5
          They are also illegal to have on a private vehicle in Texas; however, a company I worked for before had them also. I believe their function was in making felony stops on private property we were in control of. There is one article in the transportation code that makes traffic violations like illegal lights and sirens unenforceable on private property. If we turned them on on the street we would be fired. Maybe it is similar in your state?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
            Its illegal to run sirens on public roads unless your an authorized emergency vehicle. But, funeral processions in Wisconsin don't seem to be able to run reds or violate traffic laws to keep together - they require a police escort to do these things. They don't even get lightbars on the lead car, just signs that say "FUNERAL."

            I can see a PA, but a full blown PA-300 siren?

            BTW, in a minor thread derail... I clicked on WWMP or whatever. Why are they running radar?
            In Indiana, funeral escort vehicles may run red/blue lights w/siren.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
              BTW, in a minor thread derail... I clicked on WWMP or whatever. Why are they running radar?
              Heh... chalk one up for the WWMP...

              They are probably running radar at a site that wants them to look like they can do traffic enforcement. I wish they would try to stop me. I'd chalk another one up for them.
              "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
              "The Curve" 1998

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Wackenhut Lawson
                Heh... chalk one up for the WWMP...

                They are probably running radar at a site that wants them to look like they can do traffic enforcement. I wish they would try to stop me. I'd chalk another one up for them.
                You know what'd be amusing?

                I'd stick a radar trailer in a residential community, and take the report to the local PD with the client, and say, "Can we have some traffic enforcement? Here's the speeds that we're seeing. And here's the radar calibration report, to show that those speeds are accurate."
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                • #9
                  You know what works better? Set up the radar trailer and then have local law hide down the street. Kids tend to wanna 'test' their speedometers against the trailer. One or two cites in an area, and you'd better believe that the next time that trailer shows up somewhere, the average speed will drop dramatically.

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                  • #10
                    Out here the cops do that, they will stand out behind the trailer and shoot laser at cars that pass. A unit down the road will make the stop. Also, they will set the board to not display a speed but only flash (which scares people because they dont know WTF it's doing and they think it's taking a picture) when people reach a certain speed. (I.e. if the speed limit is 30, it will not show up to 55 so people arent doing mach 3 down the road to see their speeds)
                    "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
                    "The Curve" 1998

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                    • #11
                      Just a side post though about the WWMP's radar gun guy... I had actually worked with him when I was with the company. He is not a bad guy. Does his job and does not overstep his boundaries. Good guy.

                      But dont be fooled by the pretty site. They should put their office on there... a old 1 story residential house. I would almost think that would be a zoning violation for using a residential building for commercial purposes.
                      "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
                      "The Curve" 1998

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                      • #12
                        I know that this thread is supposed to be about sirens. Since it has changed to speeding, (N.A.'s fault ) I'll add the following:

                        Around here, people routinely exceed the speed limit by 15-20 mph. The police are overwhelmed and likely feel it's a losing battle. When they do make a traffic stop, it's usually a warning because they could easily spend all their time in traffic court if they issued a ticket to everyone that was speeding.

                        I don't know what the solution is. They can't outsource it to a private agency because it's too dangerous to make traffic stops. Some towns in this area are so desperate that they are parking unoccupied cruisers in areas where speeding is a problem. It's a very frustrating problem.
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                        • #13
                          Sounds like to me, its hamma' time!

                          Honestly, the best way I have found to deal with speeders, is hammer the s*** out of them. Dont let anyone off with a warning, if you write a good affidavit (Which takes less time than the cite), you dont have to worry about traffic court. Once the citizens realize you arent f***ing around... they'll get the message.

                          They should plead their problem to the state DOT or Traffic Safety Commission and even the National Traffic Safety Commission for Overtime grants ( which they give out for good causes, and I would consider that a good cause) they will pay overtime for officers to go out and do extra patrols purley for traffic enforcement. The revenue gained from the citations isnt going to hurt any as well!
                          "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
                          "The Curve" 1998

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mr. Security
                            I know that this thread is supposed to be about sirens. Since it has changed to speeding, (N.A.'s fault ) I'll add the following:

                            Around here, people routinely exceed the speed limit by 15-20 mph. The police are overwhelmed and likely feel it's a losing battle. When they do make a traffic stop, it's usually a warning because they could easily spend all their time in traffic court if they issued a ticket to everyone that was speeding.

                            I don't know what the solution is. They can't outsource it to a private agency because it's too dangerous to make traffic stops. Some towns in this area are so desperate that they are parking unoccupied cruisers in areas where speeding is a problem. It's a very frustrating problem.
                            Unfortunately, tickets are the most effective deterrent. All the other stuff is merely window dressing.
                            I believe I speak for everyone here sir, when I say, to Hell with our orders.
                            -Lieutenant Commander Data
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                            • #15
                              Yup... Tennsix is right. A 100 dollar ticket is more likely to slow someone down than the thought of smashing into a car full of children. Its kinda sad. But if I were the agency, I would take all the accident info they have, pretty it up to support their cause, present it to all of the above listed agencies and the city for an ample overtime budget showing just cause for the need to slow these people down.
                              "Alright guys listen up, ya'll have probably heard this before, Jackson vs. Securiplex corporation; I am a private security officer, I have no State or governmental authority. I stand as an ordinary citizen. I have no right to; detain, interrogate or otherwise interfere with your personal property-... basically all that means is I'm a cop."-Officer Ernie
                              "The Curve" 1998

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