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  • The Enforcer
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    Originally posted by Condo Guard View Post
    As far as the forum goes, I think part of it is there are other alternatives now - Facebook, Reddit, etc. Most of the night guards I've seen are not doing anything work related - just watching movies or on Instagram. (Or sleeping.)

    Only thing I've seen LPs carry is handcuffs. I'm assuming the weapons ban is probably a liability and / or a PR issue. Amazon is so politically correct they refuse to even hire security or LPs for their brick & mortar stores - they just let everything walk out the door and eat the loss, despite obviously being able to afford loss prevention.
    Don't even get me started on the PC PR bs, lol

    As far as PR's concerned, just what would be an issue for an LP agent to CCW? Nobody can even see his firearm

    And with PC, all it is is clueless [or not so clueless] snowflakes taking video from the middle or the end of the encounter to make the officer/agent appear in the wrong

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  • Condo Guard
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    As far as the forum goes, I think part of it is there are other alternatives now - Facebook, Reddit, etc. Most of the night guards I've seen are not doing anything work related - just watching movies or on Instagram. (Or sleeping.)

    Only thing I've seen LPs carry is handcuffs. I'm assuming the weapons ban is probably a liability and / or a PR issue. Amazon is so politically correct they refuse to even hire security or LPs for their brick & mortar stores - they just let everything walk out the door and eat the loss, despite obviously being able to afford loss prevention.

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  • Tom Horn
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    Can’t believe that there’s not thousands of bored guards on mids who would keep this place active.

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  • The Enforcer
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    Originally posted by Tom Horn View Post
    This necro-thread is 13 years old.
    Forum's dead as a doornail anyways. May as well get some kind of discussion going/renewed.

    & I figured Curtis still does pop in here from time to time.

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  • Tom Horn
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    This necro-thread is 13 years old.

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  • The Enforcer
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    Originally posted by Curtis Baillie View Post
    Target has a very strict no employee weapons (including LP) policy.

    I once inherited an LP department that carried firearms on company property. The very first thing I did was to change the policy banning the practice. Not only from the obvious issues, it saved the company over $300,000 in insurance premiums.
    Curtis, just how is it a good idea to disarm any security department? What would an agent do if a subject brandished or
    used a firearm?

    Yeah obviously the premium went down...but so did the value of the service

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  • TACTICAL 785
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    But there is near the front...
    LOL here it is my friend

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  • R.boyle2003
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    I'm surprised that no one brought up the issue of proper use of force advancement. I was told in my interview that personal safety took priority over an apprehension. Basically if the situation began to escalate and force used turn tail and run.

    That being said I have not began my training yet so I don't know to what extent that will be applicable.
    Last edited by R.boyle2003; 08-03-2008, 09:53 PM. Reason: Type-O

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  • TACTICAL 785
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    thats right

    Originally posted by Nauticus View Post
    Some provinces have laws against the carrying of a baton. In BC, for example, we had the Private Investigators & Security Act which forbid it. Our new act, the Security Services Act, is still unknown as per who can carry what.

    In the Criminal Code, if I'm not mistaken, a baton would be classified as a weapon and therefore, if concealed, would be illegal. So an LPO couldn't carry one of those anyway.
    I agree with your statment lol

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  • Nauticus
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    Originally posted by HotelSecurity View Post
    I don't see any restrictions on batons in the Criminal Code.
    Some provinces have laws against the carrying of a baton. In BC, for example, we had the Private Investigators & Security Act which forbid it. Our new act, the Security Services Act, is still unknown as per who can carry what.

    In the Criminal Code, if I'm not mistaken, a baton would be classified as a weapon and therefore, if concealed, would be illegal. So an LPO couldn't carry one of those anyway.

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  • Defensive tactics
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    I dont believe it is outlined in the criminal code..

    I know that in Ontario you must be trained in deployement and use of the baton before you can carry it on duty. I personally have my Baton certification through PPCT.

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  • HotelSecurity
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    Originally posted by Nauticus View Post
    You are correct.

    In-house security and loss prevention has different rules, though - it's generally more lenient. Contract security, for example, can't even carry handcuffs in some provinces.
    I don't see any restrictions on batons in the Criminal Code.

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  • Nauticus
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    Originally posted by ghostguy6 View Post
    I dont think there is anything you can legally carry in Canada that you could call a weapon without getting charged. You might get away with a flashlight with a strike bezel on it but you would probably get fired unless it was a real life and death situation.
    You are correct.

    In-house security and loss prevention has different rules, though - it's generally more lenient. Contract security, for example, can't even carry handcuffs in some provinces.

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  • TACTICAL 785
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    "I agree with that 100%. But in the same way there are plenty of Police Officers out there who aren't armed either. Notably almost all State Mental Hospital's employ Police Officers and it is very rare for them to be armed, many other regular hospitals also employ Police Officers who aren't armed (like the NYC Dept of Hospitals Police and the NY Dept of Health Police)" that can't count they may not be armed but they do have accses to Chemical resteraints

    Also places like London And Tokyo do have armed Police officers, you just don't see them patroling the streets as much. What about Scotland? what About Northern Ireland all armed officer just like everwhere else.

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  • mjw064
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    Well there are other university police departments who are unarmed ... its somewhere between 6%-10%. There are plenty of them in Pennsylvania, despite the Pennsylvania Legislature attempting to pass legislation requiring all police officers at state universities to carry firearms. The university president's won and there are still more than a dozen university police department's in that state who do not carry firearms. I agree times are changing, but the fact is that they do still exist.

    Maryland is another example. I know for a fact that the officers at all state mental hospitals in Maryland and the District of Columbia are commissioned as police officers, however they do not carry firearms.

    So yeah it's less and less common, but they do exist.

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