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  • #31
    Originally posted by R.boyle2003 View Post
    In your opinions what is the most difficult kind of employee to catch?
    An honest one.
    "I don't do judgment. Just retrieval."

    "The true triumph of reason is that it enables us to get along with those who do not possess it."

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    • #32
      If you find one .............. ring Ripleys.

      Btw: Good Luck with the interview.
      "Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer" Sun Tzu

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      • #33
        Surely honest employees are not that rare. lol

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        • #34
          Originally posted by R.boyle2003 View Post
          Surely honest employees are not that rare. lol
          No, they're not.....and who you callin' Shirley?
          You can educate dumb, but you can't fix stupid.

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          • #35
            Well, missed out on this one.

            They decided to transfer in a specialist from another store. Didn't even get an interview. Kind of disappointing really, work your self to death try hard and do everything in your power to show that you would be a worthwhile investment and not even get to an interview.

            Now to search for another source of motivation to keep working like I have been.

            And to start applying at other stores.

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            • #36
              With LPO work you kinda got to find a good, down to earth boss.
              I was lucky to find my ex-boss, Alan. He just wanted someone who would muck in with the other members of staff and not be too over zealous with the job. Apparently I was perfect.

              If you're really lucky and you happen to have an interview with someone who's Aux Military or Ex-Military make sure you keep your shoes as shiney as possible and try to look as smart as possible.

              I frequently get asked if I am Serving or Ex-Military because I keep my patrol booties oh so shiney.

              It does help, especially for LPO work as most people over here (not sure what it's like in the states) consider LPOs to be bored, fat slobs who do not dress neatly and tend to slack on the job. prove the SOBs wrong!.

              LPO stuff is also PERFECT for deciding on if you'd like to move on further into the security industry, frequent contact with the public and staff and learning how to communicate with staff and the public.

              and if you MUST search someone... a golden phrase to use and RECORD/ ,Note down or tape record, is
              ''Do you want a witness''
              Ewfr 'Gomulee - EuwFer 'Gom-You-Lee
              Court Security Officer - Her Majesty's Courts Service HMCS

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              • #37
                R boyle, When I worked mall security I applied for LP position at department store, I made it my goal to know who they were before the position even opened and I applied, I waited and I didn't get the interview and they hired someone else, who ended up not being qualified and lasted about 90 days. It then took me about 2 months(felt like longer) to go through interview process and finally land the job. Hang in there and don't give up.
                Sergeant Phil Esterhaus: "Hey, let's be careful out there.."

                THE VIEWS EXPRESSED ON THIS WEBSITE/BLOG ARE MINE ALONE AND DO NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT THE VIEWS OF MY EMPLOYER.

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                • #38
                  Hopefully R. Boyle will get your message. This thread was last commented on 2/2008. According to his stats he last visited SIW in August 2008.
                  Retail Security Consultant / Expert Witness
                  Co-Author - Effective Security Management 6th Edition

                  Contributor to Retail Crime, Security and Loss Prevention: An Encyclopedic Reference

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                  • #39
                    Borrowing thread title...

                    Does anyone have a recommendation on the best company(s) for making the transition from contract guard work to LP. I am located in Southern California if this helps any....
                    Tom Duprey
                    Owner/Relentless Risk Management

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by BigBadTroll View Post
                      Does anyone have a recommendation on the best company(s) for making the transition from contract guard work to LP. I am located in Southern California if this helps any....
                      Unless you're extremely lucky, you aren't going to get a job with one of the "best" companies as an LPO right off the bat. Contract guard experience is nearly irrelevant to loss prevention, so you need some relevant experience before a good department will hire you.

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                      • #41
                        Going to TRY to tread lightly here....

                        First, I asked about the best companies FOR MAKING THE TRANSITION, not for how to make the transition TO THE BEST COMPANIES.

                        Second, while contract guard work is different than LP (hence my questions in general), I hardly consider time spent protecting assets to be COMPLETELY irrelevant to LP.

                        Simplistic and not really all that helpful....but thank you anyway.
                        Tom Duprey
                        Owner/Relentless Risk Management

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                        • #42
                          Some find the "transition" more difficult than others, it just depends on the person/company I suppose. The way things are right now, it hard enoungh just to find an LP/AP job out there
                          "Life In Every Breath"

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                          • #43
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                            I'd like to hear more from Nauticus, or anyone, on why he feels LP is so vastly different security than contract security. Perhaps I don't know the definition of "contract security" but I don't see major differences. Some difference in level of skills in certain skill sets and a major difference in that LP is covert on purpose and security is overt on purpose come to mind.
                            I'd like to hear more...........

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                            • #44
                              To be technical about it....LP is a division or facet of the security industry as a whole and to be totally accurate we are ALL protecting assets one way or another.
                              Tom Duprey
                              Owner/Relentless Risk Management

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Tsalla Apopka View Post
                                I'd like to hear more from Nauticus, or anyone, on why he feels LP is so vastly different security than contract security. Perhaps I don't know the definition of "contract security" but I don't see major differences. Some difference in level of skills in certain skill sets and a major difference in that LP is covert on purpose and security is overt on purpose come to mind.
                                I'd like to hear more...........
                                My apologies for not being more clear in my original post.

                                As you pointed out, uniformed security is overt, LP is covert. I want to get in more depth with that - your #1 "job" in uniformed security is to use your presence to deter problems (since presence alone deters the vast majority of problems). This is not so with loss prevention, because you have no identifiable features. So you would be going 'hands-on' far more often than you do in uniformed security.

                                Additionally, in uniformed security, you're usually there for the protection of staff, patrons, and property. In loss prevention, 70% of all retail theft is done by employees, so you've got a much different relationship with the staff than you do in other situations.

                                Most uniformed security is also reactive in nature (patrol until something actually happens, which you react to). Loss Prevention, on the other hand, is very proactive (in that you are responsible for decreasing shrink, not necessarily arresting people if you don't have to).

                                It all boils down, though, to "being seen" in uniformed security is what you don't want to be in loss prevention. Knowing the law is also very important for both roles, but you only use the law to achieve your store's goals in loss prevention. As an LPO, you don't particularly care about enforcing laws, but rather you use those available to control shrink in your store.

                                If you want any of these points clarified, I'd be happy to. Thanks!

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