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  • T202
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    The security company has to be license by the state but not each individual security officer. Section 338.1064 deal with identification cards.

    http://www.michigan.gov/documents/mc...68_66315_7.pdf

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  • GCMC Security
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    Originally posted by WPS119
    I also wanted to reply to Michigan not licensing security guards...I am a security guard in Michigan and I have a card that says I am licensed.
    That card is probably issued by your company and not the state. I worked for 2 different companies throughout MI and unless they started doing state licensing in the last year than MI does not require licensing.

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  • WPS119
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    IPC's not bad

    I've worked for IPC the past 2 years and our department is not bad. We have two hours of training every month on a lot of different topics. We also run emergency drills. We do a very good job and work very closely with the local police who also think we do a very good job.
    As for a reason why it seems like it's so great...I know that I looked for a LONG time to even get a job related to Criminal Justice so, maybe it seems so great to get into because it's so hard to find a job with a degree in anything Criminal Justice. Also, they pay more than any other company. (that helps)
    I have been out of college for 1 1/2 years and I have a BS in Criminal Justice with an emphasis on Private Security and Law Enforcement and I still can't find a job besides this one. I have applications out all over the place and still can't get a "real" job in the Criminal Justice field.
    I also wanted to reply to Michigan not licensing security guards...I am a security guard in Michigan and I have a card that says I am licensed.
    Last edited by WPS119; 06-15-2006, 07:54 AM.

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  • robvancamp
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    Derek,

    Along with the great advice above, it may be as simple as the company will not hire anyone with an arrest - regardless of the offence. My company won't. For some reason, many security companies can be more stringent than police departments when it comes to hiring people with an arrest record. I think it has a lot to do with the fact that we don't get the training they get, but we're expected to hold the same standards, and do a similar job. The reutation of the company and their Officers is all they have to stand on. No court I know of will make the assumption of integrity with a Security Officer as they would with a Police Officer or Deputy.

    For every move I make, everything I write, and everystatement out of my mouth while on duty I ask myself, 'what would a defence attorney do with this?'

    My point is - it may not be you per se - it may be the company's own self preservation they are concerned about.

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  • 1stWatch
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    I worked for IPC for nearly two years between 1998 and 2000. The uniforms at the particular mall I was at were decent, but nowhere near sharp. No training whatsoever was given. No mall in the entire region was sharp or trained, for that matter. I never saw police officers moonlighting as IPC security, but I did see some separately hired by malls. I am completely unimpressed with them.

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  • Gumshoe
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    There is no such thing as Security License in Michigan, but the idea would be nice.

    Spent nine years in Loss Prevention and I'm sure it would be been a better way to work.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Originally posted by jmaccauley
    I think, like any other company, there are good representatives and horrible ones. I work in an area where the IPC director is a former police officer and only hires people who are squared away. If they don't keep their uniform looking sharp (creases and clean), shined shoes and wear that hat correctly, they do look silly. On the other hand, I have seen officers who look like poster boys from a recruiting poster. Image is everything in that business. I believe that they pay a little more than most and I do know that they have over 300 properties that contract with them. They provide mandatory, ongoing training and generally have a lower turnover rate than many other companies. No, I didn't buy their stock options yet. Just offering a different observation.
    Indeed, I've seen folks with IPC who look like Marine Recruiting Posters. And that's saying something. Image is everything in a public contact gig like a mall.

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  • jmaccauley
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    I think, like any other company, there are good representatives and horrible ones. I work in an area where the IPC director is a former police officer and only hires people who are squared away. If they don't keep their uniform looking sharp (creases and clean), shined shoes and wear that hat correctly, they do look silly. On the other hand, I have seen officers who look like poster boys from a recruiting poster. Image is everything in that business. I believe that they pay a little more than most and I do know that they have over 300 properties that contract with them. They provide mandatory, ongoing training and generally have a lower turnover rate than many other companies. No, I didn't buy their stock options yet. Just offering a different observation.

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  • exguard
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    derek,

    I did a little research on the good 'ol internet and found that IPC is just another Security Company. What is so fantastic about this out-fit ? -- From reading your posts it appears to me that you'd give your left arm to work for them guarding a mall. As an Ex-Security Officer {thus the user name exguard} and LP associate as well as Security Management I've worked warehouse gigs, malls, hotels, casinos, supervised large security staffs and the like and found basic security work pretty mundane. When I worked LP I had more of a chance to use investigative skills, surveillance skills, and broaden my horizons in the Security Industry.

    It further sounds to me like you'd like to make security a career....great there is nothing wrong with it. I thought I'd be doing it longer than I did until I became a firefighter but just to make you aware there are far more better oppurtunities out there in the field than wearing a trooper mounty hat sitting behind a desk in a shopping mall or chasing teenagers through a food court....sure it's a place to start but be open to the oppurtunities. If IPC doesn't hire you so what....it's their loss.

    Good Luck

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  • Taser
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    Couldn't agree more with what you said there.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Oh, yeah, that. Its a sight better than most large security company uniforms, at least, but ... Uniformity seems to use these guys in their catalog, too.

    I do not like patent leather duty rigs. They're bright, they're shiny, and they look weird without alot of gear on them. I don't know why, but they do.

    The tie on the model is too damn long... I personally hate gold, I don't know why...

    But, hey, its a sight better than another company, which IPS bought out a long time ago in Tampa Bay. It rhymed with Suckex, and the company uniform was:

    One (used) short sleeve dress shirt, cotton, white.
    One (used) waiter's/dress trousers, polyester, blue.
    One Badge, Brass, "S_____x Services," Shield w/ Lion

    This was the uniform. BTW, that "S____x Services" badge, which commonly has "Security Guard" on it, was chosen so that the word "security" was not on the uniform. This enabled the company to have employees do janitoral duties, as well, as they were not considered "security guards" by the job description. No, you didn't get to see the job description.

    Then again, I'm using Quartermaster Uniforms for my uniforms and etc. Badges will come from Officer's Store.com, because they're cheaper, and fit the badge security requirement. (Quartermaster will also not make badges that say Public Safety or Private Police on them... Officer's Store will.)

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  • Taser
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    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
    What's their basic uniform? There's alot of uniformed security people in the Uniformity Catalog, but they're not wearing IPC logos. The bike patrol model looks like an idiot (Its his uniform, not the person), and the other two look like 1980s police officers.

    Oh, in several states, having a clear criminal record is discrimination, unless you can prove to the EEOC that you must have people with a completely clear criminal record or your business is in jeapardy. Most states only require "No convictions in a field related to private security." Ie: Impersonating Law Enforcement, Violence, Theft, Etc. You can have a criminal record for writing bad checks, or embezzling millions, or stock fraud, and most companies are required by EEOC law to hire you.
    They show their basic uniform on the website. This is the only uniform I have seen IPC officers wearing. Go to their website and click Image and Details. It's right there.

    White shirt, black pants, black tie, shiney belt, goofy black hat. I like that style of hat, but not on the IPC officers. It really makes them look silly.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Originally posted by Taser
    I'm sorry, but I was really surprised by some of the positive comments I heard about IPC. I've been to malls with IPC security, I've seen these people. Some of you made it sound like it was highly exclusive.

    Let's take a look at the hiring requirements:

    Must be a minimum of 18 years old
    Must be able to read, write and speak English
    Must posses a High School Diploma or GED
    Must posses a valid driver?s license and be a minimum of 21 years of age if position requires driving.
    Have a clear criminal history
    Must qualify to receive state or municipal security guard license, if required.

    That's the bare minimum to be hired by A LOT of places. These guys aren't even armed. I've seen these guys at their best...and it's not that good.

    Maybe the uniform is the problem...they look like clowns.

    Sorry, but I just don't hold this company in a very high regard. It's another HUGE security company employing thousands of people that will hire any high school dropout as long as they went through the trouble to get their GED.
    What's their basic uniform? There's alot of uniformed security people in the Uniformity Catalog, but they're not wearing IPC logos. The bike patrol model looks like an idiot (Its his uniform, not the person), and the other two look like 1980s police officers.

    Oh, in several states, having a clear criminal record is discrimination, unless you can prove to the EEOC that you must have people with a completely clear criminal record or your business is in jeapardy. Most states only require "No convictions in a field related to private security." Ie: Impersonating Law Enforcement, Violence, Theft, Etc. You can have a criminal record for writing bad checks, or embezzling millions, or stock fraud, and most companies are required by EEOC law to hire you.
    Last edited by N. A. Corbier; 01-10-2006, 02:40 AM.

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  • Taser
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    I'm sorry, but I was really surprised by some of the positive comments I heard about IPC. I've been to malls with IPC security, I've seen these people. Some of you made it sound like it was highly exclusive.

    Let's take a look at the hiring requirements:

    Must be a minimum of 18 years old
    Must be able to read, write and speak English
    Must posses a High School Diploma or GED
    Must posses a valid driver?s license and be a minimum of 21 years of age if position requires driving.
    Have a clear criminal history
    Must qualify to receive state or municipal security guard license, if required.

    That's the bare minimum to be hired by A LOT of places. These guys aren't even armed. I've seen these guys at their best...and it's not that good.

    Maybe the uniform is the problem...they look like clowns.

    Sorry, but I just don't hold this company in a very high regard. It's another HUGE security company employing thousands of people that will hire any high school dropout as long as they went through the trouble to get their GED.

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  • derek
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    update on my situation

    Well i got off probation dec 20th and my record was expunged, so now it's clear. Well not clear, as i know they can still see it when they do the criminal, but it's not active anymore. I turn 21 on Feb 5th. My last semester at this college starts tommorow, and will be recieving my associates in May. After that i will be attending U of M in the spring! My confidence is slowly growing that i will eventually get the IPC job. Thanks for the advice guys i will keep you updated. Good day to all.
    Derek

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