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  • #16
    Originally posted by Firemankoz
    N.A., I'llfind out for youI know we are taught by instructors certified at Valor
    the officers I also go thru mall training since they wont be on main streets.
    However even though we dress them in bright yellow they are still "Moving targets"
    Koz
    Mmm, flourecent yellow bike shirts. I was always partial to lime green over yellow, myself.
    Some Kind of Commando Leader

    "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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    • #17


      I sent a inquiry through email to the Assistant Director of Valor Security at ontario mills, and I was told via email that I would be getting a call from a supervisor the next morning for an interview, but never recieved a call.

      This was the day before Christmas eve. Its now the day after Christmas, figured maybe I would get a call this morning, but nothing today. Im really worried about it, I really do want the job.

      Ill give it one more day, if nothing, ill just give up hope that they won't consider me a candidate.

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      • #18
        AIr wind
        You have to remember it is our time of year we are SLAMMED!
        and will be ti till after the new year. Dont give up hope.
        I am doing this on my lunch hour, I as the DIrector am spending time on the floor.

        KOz
        USAF SECURITY POLICE....AMERICAS 911

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        • #19
          Keep in mind that most companies require 1-2 WEEKS to get back to applicants.
          Some Kind of Commando Leader

          "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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          • #20
            Hey Air wind any luck???
            USAF SECURITY POLICE....AMERICAS 911

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            • #21
              Hey Fire, no call back as of today The email I got from the Assistant director detailed I would get a call back the next day about the interview..but never did

              So I said to myself either they don't want me, there was someone that was a better candidate, or my application isnt what they wanted? Im currently a college student, majoring in criminal justice, no prior drug offenses, no tickets what so ever, clean record basically.

              I guess I was getting my hopes up too soon.

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              • #22
                Where do you live, perhaps I can get you into another valor mall?
                USAF SECURITY POLICE....AMERICAS 911

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                • #23
                  Sent ya a PM fire

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Firemankoz
                    Hello guys and thanks for the warm welcome. N.A. I must warn you though cuff training is long and in some parts boring! perhaps the officer is not cuff trained just yet, it is a long certification process.

                    But as mentioned earlier in this thread...Liability is the key. If any of my officers cuff someone, there is a review just like a weapon was used. We take use of cuffs, OC etc very seriously here.
                    Koz
                    To carry OC and a Stinger, and no cuffs creates problems. If the officer is not yet trained to use cuffs, then they shouldn't be equipped at all yet. When we train new officers, handcuffing takes the least amount of time. It is not rocket science to get cuffs on somebody. With that said, if that officer were to walk into an assault in progress I would assume he would likely deploy his OC/CS and/or Stinger. So now you have an assault suspect who has been maced, but is not under control because you can't cuff him, and you are waiting for PD to arrive. The officer could attempt to physically restrain, but that opens up officer and/or suspect injuries. Just because you mace someone, doesn't mean they will stop what they are doing. Basically, my company will not give you equipment in phases. You train for everything, you are equipped with everything... no exceptions.
                    Last edited by davis002; 02-08-2006, 02:49 PM.
                    "To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the highest skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill." Sun-Tzu

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by davis002
                      To carry OC and a Stinger, and no cuffs creates problems. If the officer is not yet trained to use cuffs, then they shouldn't be equipped at all yet. When I train new officers, handcuffing takes the least amount of time. It is not rocket science to get cuffs on somebody. With that said, if that officer were to walk into an assault in progress I would assume he would likely deploy his OC/CS and/or Stinger. So now you have an assault suspect who has been maced, but is not under control because you can't cuff him, and you are waiting for PD to arrive. The officer could attempt to physically restrain, but that opens up officer and/or suspect injuries. Just because you mace someone, doesn't mean they will stop what they are doing. Basically, my company will not give you equipment in phases. You train for everything, you are equipped with everything... no exceptions.
                      This is what I believe, as well. If you can't restrain your attacker, or the person your trying to detain, all you can do is cause them physical harm until they submit, or are rendered unconcious or dead.
                      Some Kind of Commando Leader

                      "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                      • #26
                        Easy There Big Fella....

                        It was just a theory..... Our guys get all phases at the same time as well, some guys carry a flash light in the OC holster...I dont know, What I am wondering how long is your cuff training? we don't just slap the cuffs on, we do speed cuff drills, over/under, all types, it takes 4 hours of just classroom/ litigation training etc we just dont issue, train to slap then have them go at it. we then go into defensive tatics.

                        I also agree, if we pepper someone, we must restrain them with cuffs.
                        None of my officer carry unless they do the ENTIRE monadnock training
                        course.
                        USAF SECURITY POLICE....AMERICAS 911

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                        • #27
                          My Experience with Valor

                          I am not sure if this is any value to someone seeking employment at Valor Security, but I'll tell my story.

                          I worked at a local Valor mall from April 2006 to July 2006 as a security officer. I was recommended for the supervisor position and well-liked by all of my co-workers and superiors. I received outstanding marks in all the testing and "new guy classes."
                          At the beginning of July I was terminated for damaging one of the security vehicles. It was the company's right to fire me as I was the one who made a mistake. I was on routine patrol in one of the parking garages and I bumped a low ceiling with the light bar on top of the vehicle. The employee handbook clearly states that anyone who damages Valor property is subject to termination.

                          A week after my termination I decided that I wanted to finish up my training and become a pilot. To do that, I needed to be approved by the FAA, TSA and Homeland security. When I applied they said that I was unable to be approved because I had a mark on my record from Valor saying I demonstrated, "Blatant negligence and total disregard for public safety" and that I was "hazardous and unsafe behind the wheel of a motorized vehicle." This was a surprise to me. When my incident happened at Valor, the garage was empty and I was the only person in the vehicle. I did no damage to any person or mall property, just the company vehicle.

                          I tried to contact the security director via phone several times leaving polite courteous messages asking how I can get my records at Valor review and remade (you know in a more truthful light.) I found out after one week of phone calls that the director personally advised every guard on staff that if they should receive a phone call from me they are not to let me speak to any Valor or Mall personnel.
                          This director, who I might mention is extremely overweight, will not even give me a phone number to call to just find out information. I recorded every voicemail I left and every conversation I had. Thank god I did, because now, thanks to Mr. "too many donuts" director, I have to peruse legal action against company and the mall. All I ever really wanted to do in my life was fly planes. I went through 3 years of the Marine Corps and 3 years of public service to be qualified to do it. I hope that I can someday pick up the pieces that Valor has broken my dreams into.

                          If you want to work for Valor, go ahead, but don't even think about making a mistake. It will ruin your entire career and prevent you from ever holding a public service/transportation position again.

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                          • #28
                            While it can be argued that you were negligent in damaging Valor Security's property, "disregard for public safety" is yet another method that Valor Directors of Security use to make their departments have vague quazi-authority.

                            It does not sound that "omg" if you say, "total disregard for security." But use the word Public Safety in place of Security like Valor does (for all things), and it becomes much worse.

                            Since this was reported to a government agency that keeps records, and since such terms as "public safety" and ""hazardous and unsafe behind the wheel of a motorized vehicle." I hope they can prove those statements. The Department of Motor Vehicles determines if you are hazardous and unsafe behind the wheel of a motorized vehicle, not a security company that calls its self a public safety department.

                            My suggestion to you is to retain an attorney and pursue damages.
                            Some Kind of Commando Leader

                            "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                            • #29
                              Depending on what state you were working in, there are laws pertaining to employees and former employees right to view their personnel files. Sounds like it might be lawyer time.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by T202
                                Depending on what state you were working in, there are laws pertaining to employees and former employees right to view their personnel files. Sounds like it might be lawyer time.
                                Most of those laws don't apply when the Department of Homeland Security conducts a background investigation, though. In some cases, you incur federal crmiinal violations for not releasing information, as a matter of hindering national security.

                                Its the difference between an employer asking, "Would you hire this guy again," and a federal agent asking, "Submit documentation of all violations of policy or procedure the employee committed."
                                Some Kind of Commando Leader

                                "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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