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  • #16
    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
    I live in a town where the middle schools have gang problems. Where 10 year olds are beaten to death by 16 year olds.
    And allowing everyone to have guns would do what? Make the killing easier?
    I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
    Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by HotelSecurity
      And allowing everyone to have guns would do what? Make the killing easier?
      We can already have guns. Open carry is legal in Wisconsin. No permit is required, nor is any education or class. I can walk outside with a gun on my hip and no one may stop me. Its simply not illegal here.

      Criminals do not really care about the law against concealed weapons. If they did, they wouldn't carry them and commit crimes with them.
      Some Kind of Commando Leader

      "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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      • #18
        Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
        Open carry is legal in Wisconsin. No permit is required, nor is any education or class. I can walk outside with a gun on my hip and no one may stop me. Its simply not illegal here.

        Open carry is legal in Wisconsin ONLY while engaged in legal hunting, at a range or if your on private property. You cannot walk down a public street or 'public way' without a 'Blue Card', aka "Firearms Permit" issued by the Department of Regulation & Licensing, even if it is 'open carry' and not conceled. A 'Blue Card' is only issued to security personal and private investigators who are certified by a state approved firearms instructor. You must have a minimum of 35 hours training and are required to be re-certified with an additional 6 hours of recertification every year afterwards.

        The "Blue Card" allows you to carry a loaded firearm in a vehicle while on duty and to and from work.
        "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

        ~~George Orwell.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by HotelSecurity
          And allowing everyone to have guns would do what? Make the killing easier?
          Yeah. Sort of like a "Dodge City."
          Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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          • #20
            As a just management consultant in the industry, I am not familiar with the weapons laws. All I know is that it was a chilly 71 degrees here in Houston today. I had to wear a long sleeve shirt!
            Richard Dickinson
            Dickinson Security Management Group, LLC
            DSMG Provides a Variety of Software Products and Consulting Services to the Contract Security Industry
            www.hrdickinson.com

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            • #21
              Originally posted by hrdickinson
              As a just management consultant in the industry, I am not familiar with the weapons laws. All I know is that it was a chilly 71 degrees here in Houston today. I had to wear a long sleeve shirt!
              It's 30 degrees out here and I'm still wearing short sleeve shirts. I like it cold.
              Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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              • #22
                Nathan,

                It was the vison of armed 10 year olds that scared me.

                Richard,

                It is presently a balmy 5C or 41F here in the Montreal borough of Verdun. And NO we have not had any snow yet this year. (They get more of it & they get it earlier south of Montreal).
                I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
                Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Special Investigator
                  Open carry is legal in Wisconsin ONLY while engaged in legal hunting, at a range or if your on private property. You cannot walk down a public street or 'public way' without a 'Blue Card', aka "Firearms Permit" issued by the Department of Regulation & Licensing, even if it is 'open carry' and not conceled. A 'Blue Card' is only issued to security personal and private investigators who are certified by a state approved firearms instructor. You must have a minimum of 35 hours training and are required to be re-certified with an additional 6 hours of recertification every year afterwards.

                  The "Blue Card" allows you to carry a loaded firearm in a vehicle while on duty and to and from work.
                  Please cite the relevant section in Wisconsin Statute that criminalizes going armed in public. There are provisions, a felon may not go armed, etc. You may not go armed in government buildings. You may not go armed if you are "raising a private army, guard, or police force," (I.e. security company), nor may you go armed into a bar or park.

                  Doyle's last retort to the CCW debate was, "Well, if you want to carry a gun, just do it openly." The only criminal charge that has been levied against a person who has went armed is "disturbing the peace," and the courts have yet to actually rule this is a valid charge.

                  Now, there are giant "holes" in the fact that OC isn't completely regulated. Such as you pointed out, you can't open carry in a conveyance.

                  However, I can tell you, there is no law against open carry in public in general, just a bunch of restrictions on where you can. People may like to draw a "line" on "you can only do this while hunting," but in reality, there is no law against it, only prohibitions where you can.

                  Also, security personnel are another creature completely due to the "raising a private army/police force." Normal citizens, of course, are not raised by a private individual or corporation to be armed for the purposes of defense or protection.
                  Some Kind of Commando Leader

                  "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                  • #24
                    There is no WI statute that makes it illegal to open carry. When I took Criminal Law, about this time last year, I was amazed at how many people actually thought that there was. There may be local, municipal rules regarding it, such as in Racine (just north of me), it is practically impossible to leave the city with a firearm, cased or uncased, without voilating city ordinace. I'd have to look up on the exact wording of the ordinance though. Since Racine is modeled after Milwaukee in many ways, I'm sure Milwaukee has similar rules. I have yet to find anything of the sort locally.

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                    • #25
                      Welcome Wisconsin,
                      I am originally from Minnesota so I know what cold is like. I live in Arizona now and it sucks being in 80 degree weather in November . I had to break out my Parka last night, it got as cold as 50. Burrrrr.

                      As for CCW. I don't know the laws in Wisconsin but here in Arizona it is pretty simple to get. Background check with fingerprints, no felonies, 8 hour class. I know there are some here on this forum that think CCW makes us more unsafe. The fact is that states that have CCW have had a decrease in violent crimes against individuals (not all states but the majority). It is harder for a person to go to the point of violence if they do not know if the person is armed. I have had my CCW for 7 years now and have never had to use it (thankfully). I have only had to show my weapon once because a man was beating a woman with a bat. As soon as I drew my weapon he dropped the bat and laid on the ground until the police showed up. One of the officers even stated to me that I had every right to just pull the trigger while he had the bat in his hand. I thought that was too far as he did comply right away when I drew. She had a broke collar bone, arm, and a fractured skull but will be fine. He got 17 years for attempted murder. That is just my example of CCW. I hear of scenarios all the time in which lives were saved by someone with a CCW.

                      For or against guns is everyones right. If someone chooses to have the right under the 2nd Ammendment they should be allowed with the proper training. I also believe that gun safety should be taught in more schools than it is now. The more people are educated about the safety and use of firearms the safer we all will be. Especially if the preverbial crap hits the fan like these extremists want it to.

                      Together we stand, divided we fall.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by ff000525
                        There is no WI statute that makes it illegal to open carry. When I took Criminal Law, about this time last year, I was amazed at how many people actually thought that there was. There may be local, municipal rules regarding it, such as in Racine (just north of me), it is practically impossible to leave the city with a firearm, cased or uncased, without voilating city ordinace. I'd have to look up on the exact wording of the ordinance though. Since Racine is modeled after Milwaukee in many ways, I'm sure Milwaukee has similar rules. I have yet to find anything of the sort locally.
                        State preemption of local gun ordinances. They can't regulate posession, only discharge within city limits.
                        Some Kind of Commando Leader

                        "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Rooney
                          Welcome Wisconsin,
                          I am originally from Minnesota so I know what cold is like. I live in Arizona now and it sucks being in 80 degree weather in November . I had to break out my Parka last night, it got as cold as 50. Burrrrr.

                          As for CCW. I don't know the laws in Wisconsin but here in Arizona it is pretty simple to get. Background check with fingerprints, no felonies, 8 hour class. I know there are some here on this forum that think CCW makes us more unsafe. The fact is that states that have CCW have had a decrease in violent crimes against individuals (not all states but the majority). It is harder for a person to go to the point of violence if they do not know if the person is armed. I have had my CCW for 7 years now and have never had to use it (thankfully). I have only had to show my weapon once because a man was beating a woman with a bat. As soon as I drew my weapon he dropped the bat and laid on the ground until the police showed up. One of the officers even stated to me that I had every right to just pull the trigger while he had the bat in his hand. I thought that was too far as he did comply right away when I drew. She had a broke collar bone, arm, and a fractured skull but will be fine. He got 17 years for attempted murder. That is just my example of CCW. I hear of scenarios all the time in which lives were saved by someone with a CCW.

                          For or against guns is everyones right. If someone chooses to have the right under the 2nd Ammendment they should be allowed with the proper training. I also believe that gun safety should be taught in more schools than it is now. The more people are educated about the safety and use of firearms the safer we all will be. Especially if the preverbial crap hits the fan like these extremists want it to.

                          Together we stand, divided we fall.
                          I believe gun safety should be taught in schools. Not marksmanship or anything, but "THIS IS A GUN. THIS IS HOW IT WORKS. HANDLE IT. GET IT OUT OF YOUR SYSTEM. This is how to safe it. This is how to shoot it." Many times, children will pick up a gun, ignoring "DON'T TOUCH IT, RUN AWAY,TELL AN ADULT" and "accidents" happen. They think it won't go off, because they've never touched one before and they don't understand how it functions. Why teach theory of operation? Because if the child knows how the thing shoots, how easy it is to pull the trigger (I've heard that one before, actually, he thought it would be hard), they'll have a better respect for it. Like any other device, it is better to have respect than fear for it.

                          Arizona is also an open carry state, amusingly enough. You can find out which are and which aren't on opencarry.org, which is a website which gives a basis to start investigating if a state is open carry or not. "Gold Star" means nobody cares if you do or not.

                          There is no CCW law in Wisconsin. Only a peace officer, by virtue of his office, may carry a concealed weapon.
                          Last edited by N. A. Corbier; 11-06-2006, 02:27 PM.
                          Some Kind of Commando Leader

                          "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
                            I believe gun safety should be taught in schools. Not marksmanship or anything, but "THIS IS A GUN. THIS IS HOW IT WORKS. HANDLE IT. GET IT OUT OF YOUR SYSTEM. This is how to safe it. This is how to shoot it." Many times, children will pick up a gun, ignoring "DON'T TOUCH IT, RUN AWAY,TELL AN ADULT" and "accidents" happen. They think it won't go off, because they've never touched one before and they don't understand how it functions. Why teach theory of operation? Because if the child knows how the thing shoots, how easy it is to pull the trigger (I've heard that one before, actually, he thought it would be hard), they'll have a better respect for it. Like any other device, it is better to have respect than fear for it.
                            The Boy Scouts of America do it well. It would be nice to see it in public schools, but that would never happen. The closest I got in public schools was my 5th Grade DARE officer (10+ years ago) explaining that we were NEVER to touch his duty rig.
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                            • #29
                              Ah, yes, Eddie Eagle. I was thinking about that, as well. And I used to hate the kids wanting to see my gun, see my speedloaders, see my ASP, see my handcuffs, see my OC, see my radio, see my Nextel, see my...
                              Some Kind of Commando Leader

                              "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by ff000525
                                There is no WI statute that makes it illegal to open carry.
                                Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
                                There is no CCW law in Wisconsin. Only a peace officer, by virtue of his office, may carry a concealed weapon.
                                You CAN get permission from a judge, police chief or sheriff to carry concealed. I personaly have gotten permission from a Dodge and Milwaukee County judge to carry concealed a couple times. It was only tempoary while I was working on a investigation for the judge(s). Also, a sheriff or police chief has the discression to issue a tempoary CCW to you if you show cause that you need one such as if your life is in inamint danger, etc. It is very seldom done, but it has been done.

                                Yes, it IS illegal to go armed in public except for the reasons I said above. Walk down any public street (or public way) and see if the police let you do it. In Milwaukee, Waukesha, Racine, Madison, etc., or any other city you will surly be arrested and go to jail, your firearm will be taken away, guaranteed. Usally you will be charged with D.C. I will look up the statute reguarding the "Blue Card" for you and post later. Off the top of my head, look up RL 34.01, RL 34.015, etc. I'll get the exact statutes for you.

                                (we should have a seperate thread on this subject)
                                Last edited by Special Investigator; 11-06-2006, 09:49 PM.
                                "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

                                ~~George Orwell.

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