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  • #16
    Originally posted by Dragonfyre024
    There are approximately 150 plus cameras covering the campus at ESPN Headquarters....
    Umm, I don't think the client or the security company want you to post that information here. This is a public forum, accessible by the bad guys. Just something to think about when you mention specifics.
    Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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    • #17
      discussion suggestions

      This brings up a good point...

      Obviously we need to encourage discussion among peers, but let's keep in mind that the web opens us up to other eyes. When we talk about security systems, here's what I recommend:

      1) Don't disclose the actual facility location unless you have full permission (and even then, it would be wise to not mention the actual business or facility). To get around this, instead of ESPN, you could say a prominent broadcasting company
      2) If you're discussing a system weakness, please focus on the problem, and keep the facility out of the picture as best as possible. Again, we need to talk about the problem and how to fix it, but we don't want to shed any light that the bad guys can use.

      As long as the facility isn't named (or described in narrow detail -- e.g. the second tallest building in Atlanta), we can get into specifics as much as we like. Just use your best judgment. On the earlier post, I think it was OK -- I might not have mentioned the company by name, but by simply saying 150 cameras and talking about general attributes, I think you kept the details loose enough to provide everyone the picture, without giving the bad guys a blueprint.

      Be safe,
      Geoff Kohl, editor
      SecurityInfoWatch.com

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      • #18
        I don't think you can do much with "We have 150 cameras," but if you start naming camera models, DVR models, etc.. Then there might be enough information to forumlate a denial of service attack against the camera system.

        There's about 8 people for every one of us reading this who never log in. I've always wondered how many of them are "bad guys."
        Some Kind of Commando Leader

        "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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        • #19
          I have no problem with people giving full details on which models of cameras or card readers they use -- as long as we're not told at which exact facility those are in use. Again, use your judgment, and if you post too much info, use the EDIT tool to go back and fix your post.

          Geoff

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          • #20
            Originally posted by SIW Editor
            I have no problem with people giving full details on which models of cameras or card readers they use -- as long as we're not told at which exact facility those are in use. Again, use your judgment, and if you post too much info, use the EDIT tool to go back and fix your post.

            Geoff
            Whoops, I didn't specify. I meant, "At ESPN, we use Pelco Enclosures with Sony IP Cameras..." Combining elements is bad.

            Someone want to post the extract on Operational Security from the DISA DoD Contractor Security Manual? I, alas, do not have a copy.
            Some Kind of Commando Leader

            "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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            • #21
              I think security cameras have helped keep crime lower. But its not the answer to it. Some criminals dont care about them at all. I remember a gang member they had on tv he killed a victim and knew he was being recorded. He even walked closer to the security camera and laughed and threw several gang signs up.

              Here is one example. You know how after 9/11 the united states is trying to improve security all over the country i.ie homeland security etc. I almost got assigned to a water plant this is a possible terrorism target. Ok the contract was with the city in which i lived it. However the city council had messed the buget up so bad that they were trying to figure out how to save money. Here comes the stupid part. They had an idea of doing away with 24/7 security officers at the water plant and adding more security cams. And trying to replaced the older front gate with a more uptodate gate. Ok say a terrorist or terrorists enter this place. Maybe if a security officer were on duty and seen it they could call for police to respond. Ok now say no s/o is on duty only cams. They do something to the water system and thousands die from it. But hey we got the security cam tape to show who may have did it. But look at how many people are dead already. Thats why i say security cams are great but they are not the only answer to everything.

              Stay Safe All

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              • #22
                Hey look at that. I was aleady a member of this group back in March 2005. See post #3! No wonder when I tried to register using my name it said that the name was already being used

                HotelSecurity aka Neil
                I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
                Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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