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  • ACP01
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    Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
    Right, but once their in, do they have to display those IDs? Your describing access credentials, something that gets you in. If they don't display them for others to see, then they don't help determine that the person is authorized to be in the area/facility.

    A "trick" of penetration testers (people who's job it is to break into places and steal data) is to swipe a random card at the outer door. It lets them in because it was improperly configured. Once their in, with no visible ID requirement who's to say they're not authorized?
    Agreed! Just as burgulars will carry several garage door openers someone out to do no good can carry several swipe cards as one may work. Without ID displaying they can then go into any sector and who is to know the differance.

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  • N. A. Corbier
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    Originally posted by The Lord of the Keys
    We don't have any problems with the passes used at my site. The only way in is to swipe your ID at one of the entrances and if you are driving both a personal ID and a vehicle one is needed to open a gate. Management isn't a problem because it's alot faster to swipe your ID than it is to contact Security and wait for us to verify your identification and then let you in.
    Right, but once their in, do they have to display those IDs? Your describing access credentials, something that gets you in. If they don't display them for others to see, then they don't help determine that the person is authorized to be in the area/facility.

    A "trick" of penetration testers (people who's job it is to break into places and steal data) is to swipe a random card at the outer door. It lets them in because it was improperly configured. Once their in, with no visible ID requirement who's to say they're not authorized?

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  • The Lord of the Keys
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    We don't have any problems with the passes used at my site. The only way in is to swipe your ID at one of the entrances and if you are driving both a personal ID and a vehicle one is needed to open a gate. Management isn't a problem because it's alot faster to swipe your ID than it is to contact Security and wait for us to verify your identification and then let you in.

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  • ACP01
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    Bill, I really like the grenade thought! VERY true!

    If the site has a tiered clearance system the ID/badge display would also quickly let everyone know when an intruder is in the area whether it be someone from shipping just checking with production about a late running order to be shipped or a low-tier Lab type alone in a high-tier accounts area.

    Either way an explanation and/or call to Security is in order.

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  • Bill Warnock
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    Originally posted by aka Bull
    Agreed. Ours are not generic, they have the hosptal emblem imprinted on them.
    aka Bull and Mr. Security you have written what security managers must impress in senior leadership. I would like to add one thing more to complete the circle. Every six months, more or less depending on the threat, change the the color, number system and design of whatever ID you issue. Security ID should not have an indefinite life. Security personnel must be on their toes. "Mine is an old one and I haven't had time to replace it," is a reasonable excuse for the first 30 days to cover leave, the sick, lame and lazy; the excuse is unacceptable thereafter.
    Whatever you do, if there is reserve parking do not have designators identifying the person or title of position parking space. For if you do, why not just put up a sign stating, Place Bomb Here!
    Enjoy the day,
    Bill

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  • aka Bull
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    Originally posted by Mr. Security
    Incidentally, I'm not a fan of the generic parking badges that hang on the mirror, etc. It's too easy for anyone to get them from a supplier and slip in. I like the customized ones (w/ company name and logo) that you stick on the inside of the windshield. That prevents loss and theft. It also minimizes the possibility of someone sneaking in.
    Agreed. Ours are not generic, they have the hosptal emblem imprinted on them.

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  • Mr. Security
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    Originally posted by aka Bull
    Yes, by policy all employees are suppose to register their vehicle and get a parking tag. Not all do this however. If they don't register the vehicle there is no action we can take as we can't identify the owner without sending requests to the state motor vehicle division.

    It is a problem we have yet found a solution to since we are not permitted to cite employees for failing to register their vehicles (this is considered too harsh).
    This is the way it needs to be done. It such a simple way to make sure unauthorized vehicles are not on site. Asking employees and contractors to complete a registration form allows for easy entry into a computer database so that plates can be run in-house. So simple and yet, often neglected.

    Incidentally, I'm not a fan of the generic parking badges that hang on the mirror, etc. It's too easy for anyone to get them from a supplier and slip in. I like the customized ones (w/ company name and logo) that you stick on the inside of the windshield. That prevents loss and theft. It also minimizes the possibility of someone sneaking in.

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  • Bill Warnock
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    Originally posted by ACP01
    One thing to think about is..
    What do the SOs orders say..ie "No Admittance without Proper ID Display" or something to that nature then DON'T LET THEM IN! This goes for anyone.

    Yes you will get chewed on by some of the Elitist but it is better than being fined or worse if a DEA or FDA inspector observes a No ID admittance.

    Being a DEA and FDA governed site I would say that is the policy.

    Just my 2 cents
    ACP01:
    Your two cents are diamond encrusted gold pieces! DEA has filed papers and prosecuted several firms for sloppy security, horrible records of not only the manufactured product but past and present employees and lack of background investigations.
    It is real dumb to walk around with a hand grenade with the safety pin removed and the only thing that keeps it from exploding is the spoon hopefully pressed against the palm. In today's world, ignoring DEA is just like carrying a live grenade and letting it slip from a sweaty palm.
    Enjoy the day,
    Bill

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  • ACP01
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    One thing to think about is..
    What do the SOs orders say..ie "No Admittance without Proper ID Display" or something to that nature then DON'T LET THEM IN! This goes for anyone.

    Yes you will get chewed on by some of the Elitist but it is better than being fined or worse if a DEA or FDA inspector observes a No ID admittance.

    Being a DEA and FDA governed site I would say that is the policy.

    Just my 2 cents

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  • Mr. Security
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    Originally posted by Bill Warnock
    Hold it:
    If the senior leadership or management do not themselves believe in the policy you will have an uphill battle. ...................
    Enjoy the day,
    Bill
    Bill correctly identified one of the challenges that many of us in corporate security face. When management takes such matters seriously, then it's relatively easy to deal with uncooperative employees. However, when senior management refuses to sign in or display ID because they are "privileged," then I refuse to make an issue out of it.

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  • Bill Warnock
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    Originally posted by Hold it!
    Bill,

    Where can I locate this DEA /FDA memorandum?
    Hold it!
    Please contact Ausiello, David C. [[email protected]]
    David Ausiello
    Public Affairs Specialist/Web Content Manager
    DEA Congressional and Public Affairs
    (202) 307-5196
    If I am not mistaken he can give you the correct information.
    If you prefer, send the request to:
    Drug Enforcement Administration
    Attn: David C. Ausiello
    Public Affairs Specialist
    700 Army Navy Drive
    Arlington, VA 2202
    Before I retired the US Marshals Service was in 600. DEA grew so big they needed the entire complex. After retiring they moved USMS to Crystal City in quarters once occupied by one of the US Navy Commands, Naval Air I think.
    Enjoy the day,
    Bill

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  • Hold it!
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    Originally posted by Bill Warnock
    Hold it:
    If the senior leadership or management do not themselves believe in the policy you will have an uphill battle. Having said that, ask your director of security if they have read the recent memoranda from DEA and FDA on positive identification prior to entry into facilities that manufacture, drug wholesale distribution centers and sales representatives must display valid issued identification while in the performance of their duties to assure positive identification. These documents came about to stem the tide of counterfeit drugs entering the system.
    If not mistaken, the Federal Register contains these memoranda and added to the CFR.
    Enjoy the day,
    Bill
    Bill,

    Where can I locate this DEA /FDA memorandum?

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  • Bill Warnock
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    Originally posted by Hold it!
    I'm not aware of any security professional that does not have a ID policy. But, now that I have your attention please feel free to share your input as it applies.

    I work for a Pharmaceutical Co. and it's standard policy to wear and visually display your photo Id. Unfortunately, not everyone is receptive to this imposing inconvenience... (Including individuals at the executive level) I have communicated this policy as well as an awareness article. What are some of the methods you use to enforce your ID policies?


    (Damned if you do damned if you don't)
    Hold it:
    If the senior leadership or management do not themselves believe in the policy you will have an uphill battle. Having said that, ask your director of security if they have read the recent memoranda from DEA and FDA on positive identification prior to entry into facilities that manufacture, drug wholesale distribution centers and sales representatives must display valid issued identification while in the performance of their duties to assure positive identification. These documents came about to stem the tide of counterfeit drugs entering the system.
    If not mistaken, the Federal Register contains these memoranda and added to the CFR.
    Enjoy the day,
    Bill

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  • aka Bull
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    Originally posted by Hold it!
    Thank you,

    Appreciate your input... Does your company also require employees to have vehicle identification in the form of a permit or decal?
    Yes, by policy all employees are suppose to register their vehicle and get a parking tag. Not all do this however. If they don't register the vehicle there is no action we can take as we can't identify the owner without sending requests to the state motor vehicle division.

    It is a problem we have yet found a solution to since we are not permitted to cite employees for failing to register their vehicles (this is considered too harsh).

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  • HotelSecurity
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    I still don't understand why in my industry, hotels, the wearing of photo id is NOT common. Most hotels still only use nametags with the hotel logo & employees name. I have even heard of cases where people have found nametags & used them to gain entrance to hotel rooms. Raymond C. Ellis with the University of Houston is the "dean" of hotel security. I'm going to e-mail him the question & see what he thinks.

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