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  • #31
    I work in a steel mill. No IDs worn by anyone but us in the guard shack. No parking passes on the mirror or windshields either. Most cars barely slow down driving past the guard shack at the main gate. We don't inspect anything and about the only people who get signed in are the delivery drivers, UPS/Fed Ex/rental companies, who mainly come through when the day shift is working.
    We tried suggesting that things be tightened up some but if the client isn't interested we aren't going to argue. We only provide the level of service the client wants.
    Hospital Security Officer

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    • #32
      Originally posted by EMTGuard
      I work in a steel mill. No IDs worn by anyone but us in the guard shack. No parking passes on the mirror or windshields either. Most cars barely slow down driving past the guard shack at the main gate. We don't inspect anything and about the only people who get signed in are the delivery drivers, UPS/Fed Ex/rental companies, who mainly come through when the day shift is working.
      We tried suggesting that things be tightened up some but if the client isn't interested we aren't going to argue. We only provide the level of service the client wants.
      EMT Guard:
      If I might be so brazen, just what are your duties? Under what circumstances will you react to what with what.
      Perhaps Nathan is correct, as is usually the case, are you there for insurance purposes to preclude what?
      Enjoy the day,
      Bill

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      • #33
        I think his duties are more emergency response to accidents as an EMT, and they threw the security duties in extra.
        Some Kind of Commando Leader

        "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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        • #34
          Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
          I think his duties are more emergency response to accidents as an EMT, and they threw the security duties in extra.
          Nathan this may be nothing more than Security Theater. What an absolute shame. What I can't figure out is just why sit in a guard shack instead of in the building where the real action may occur?
          Warm regards,
          Bill

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          • #35
            I used to work as order filler at an auto distribution center and all employees were required to wear ID badges. You needed the ID to get in the building and to punch in and out. Most people would wear it visibly in the start and end of the shift that’s the only time security was in the building the rest of the time they were in the guard shack and employees would have their ID in their pockets.

            At the site I work at now you need the ID badge to gain access if not the lobby officer will stop you and not let you in, if the employee continues to refuse, which they usually don’t, the shift supervisor will come out and take over the situation. ID is needed all over the site to enter different buildings and rooms. As security we must also wear ID. Policy states that all employees and contractors must wear ID badges while on the property between the neck and waist.
            DizZy SO

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            • #36
              Here in Wisconsin, the Dept of Regulation & Licensing REQUIRES private investigators & private security personal to carry on their person a photo ID while on duty.
              "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

              ~~George Orwell.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Special Investigator
                Here in Wisconsin, the Dept of Regulation & Licensing REQUIRES private investigators & private security personal to carry on their person a photo ID while on duty.
                It also requires you wear a nametag or identifying number on the outermost garment of your uniform, but people can't seem to follow that RL rule.
                Some Kind of Commando Leader

                "Every time I see another crazy Florida post, I'm glad I don't work there." ~ Minneapolis Security on Florida Security Law

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by N. A. Corbier
                  It also requires you wear a nametag or identifying number on the outermost garment of your uniform, but people can't seem to follow that RL rule.
                  You are correct. Thanks for pointing that out.
                  "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

                  ~~George Orwell.

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                  • #39
                    We deal with it too.

                    Corprate Policy says that employees must display their ID at all times. It also says that the ID card and proximity access card should be kept seperate... which no one does.

                    Many employees wear their ID and prox card together, on a retratable lanyard, at their waistline. Problem is - if they are wearing any sort of coat or jacket, it is covered.

                    As Security, our lobby officers are supposed to challenge all coming in for ID, and just verify they are carrying something that looks similar to an ID badge from 15+ feet away. We are supposed to challenge EVEN IF they hit their prox card coming in.

                    As for vehicle permits - ours are custom made, but DO NOT have any corprate ID on them... just a big letter and a unique 5-digit number. Re-issuing the permits last time was a royal pain (I coordinated it) and it took about 2 months.
                    The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed.

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                    • #40
                      Fbi Id

                      Speaking of ID, has anyone looked at the X-files FBI ID's sold on E-bay? They look so real that I would have a difficult time distinguishing it from the real thing. To me, it appears to be a security risk since they could easily be tampered with. I'm surprised E-bay allows it.
                      Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                      • #41
                        Where Im at.....Major Northeast Refinery with Thousands of Employees the ID Badge is the time card - If you leave it at home or in the car you don't get into the complex....All gates are ID Badge Controlled and just about all the internal buildings, offices, gates, Etc. operate on the ID Badge so we raley have problems.

                        A good percentage of the contract employees {Pipe Fitters, Steam Fitters, Line Workers, Unit Operators, Processers, and mechanics have to have the ID Badge as a time card.....They badge in at a turn-style and badge out at a turn-style

                        Excecutives at our facility expect the policy enforced.....We as the Protection Department enforce those rules and make reports on the violators even if their in top management. We have a zero tolerance policy especially being a Refinery and all the extra Security after 9-11

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by exguard
                          Excecutives at our facility expect the policy enforced.....We as the Protection Department enforce those rules and make reports on the violators even if their in top management. We have a zero tolerance policy especially being a Refinery and all the extra Security after 9-11
                          Whether it's a refinery, school or steel mill, organizational executives must be taught that both personal ID and vehicle registration requirements and procedures *must* be treated as zero-tolerance programs in order to have any real (predictable) value whatsoever. Any compromise in enforcement is, in effect, total compromise (how many attackers does it take to drop off a bomb, or shoot up the cafeteria? Answer: ONE!). Ask one of them that question, and if they can't figure out the answer...tell them. Let them know that they're just wasting their money if they're really just joking about these programs...and this is one of those cases where you're either dead serious about the issue or you're just kidding. There's no "headroom" or "tolerance" for sloppiness.

                          Would these same executives allow the accounts receivable people to bill customers whenever they "felt like it" or whenever they happened to "remember" to do so? Would it be okay for the safety people to deal with a leak in a chlorine tank according to set procedure if someone just "happened to notice it", "happened to know about the procedure", or wasn't "just too busy to bother about that right now"? Absurd ideas, yes, but no more absurd than running a sloppy ID program.

                          The design of every different type of ID presumes or dictates that certain specific procedures will be followed in how they're worn, displayed, swiped, etc. These design parameters are what they are, whether anyone likes it or not, and so the procedures required because of the design features must be observed...all the time, and without exception. If the photo is of such a size that it can only be checked by handing it to the security officer for examination, for instance, well...that's just the way it is. No one's wishes, hopes, preferences, laziness or indifference will change the size of the photo. This suggests that you think about these procedural implications of ID design before you select an ID system.

                          A poorly-selected, poorly-enforced, poorly-managed ID program is infinitely WORSE than no ID program at all, for reasons that should be obvious even to naive company executives. So, Mr. Business Executive, the message is this: When your risk profile dictates the use of IDs, make up your mind right from the get-go that it must be done right and strictly enforced (including you, sir!) or you've wasted lots of money without reducing your liability one iota.
                          Last edited by SecTrainer; 01-09-2007, 08:28 AM.
                          "Every betrayal begins with trust." - Brian Jacques

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                          • #43
                            Hotel guest don't normally wear id (Sometimes organized groups make their people wear wrist bands).
                            I enforce rules and regulations, not laws.
                            Security Officers. The 1st First Responders.

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                            • #44
                              Zero-Tolerance Policies

                              Any security program, other than government, must have a procedure for dealing with executives who might forget their badge. Many corporations will issue a temporary badge through the security department when the human factor, i.e. forgetfulness, occurs.

                              Security in not compromised by such an arrangement. Records will track habitual offenders and appropriate discipline is administered as required.
                              Security: Freedom from fear; danger; safe; a feeling of well-being. (Webster's)

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by HotelSecurity
                                Hotel guest don't normally wear id (Sometimes organized groups make their people wear wrist bands).
                                Of course not...but if employees are expected to do so, then they should always be required to do so, no exceptions.
                                "Every betrayal begins with trust." - Brian Jacques

                                "I can't predict the future, but I know that it'll be very weird." - Anonymous

                                "There is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes 1:9

                                "History, with all its volumes vast, hath but one page." - Lord Byron

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