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  • ESI AGENT
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    I wonder if Bush has gotten permission to enforce our laws and protect out boarders from the President of Mexico? Lord knows that we are not allowed to do so without their permission. Maybe Bush can negotiate our surrender to the great country of Mexico and save alot of hassel with boarder enforcement. I thinks a combination of Corporate greed,political correctness and plane old being spineless. Learn spanish.

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  • Norseman
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    Here's another one that gets my goat.

    The Los Angeles City Country adopted a polciy called Special Order 40. Special Order 40 is a police mandate implemented in 1979 preventing LAPD officers from obtaining immigration status from detained suspects.

    Note: This policy is still in effect today.

    http://keepstuff.homestead.com/Spec40orig.html

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  • integrator97
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    Originally posted by Rooney View Post
    Absolutely agree on all counts.

    Here in Tucson Arizona there is even a story released this week of a school teacher that requires the students to do the Pledge of Allegiance in Spanish, not after english or before english, only in spanish. It is in a fifth grade class. If it was in high school spanish class I "might" understand.

    We also had another roll over accident of a van with 30 illegals in it. 5 life flights and numerous ambulances to many area hospitals. On the news the reporter at the news desk asked the reporter in the field, "Who is going to pay for this?". The field reporters response, "The feds will reimburse the hospitals for most of it.". What the hell kind of answer is that, "the feds"? Why doesn't the media state it for what it is. WE are going to pay for it.
    Close the border NOW.
    Many health insurance policies don't even cover air ambulance. Yup, you and I are gonna pay for it.

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  • integrator97
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    Ditto. And let me add a new reason to keep out the illegals.

    This country cannot afford to keep up the population growth, in ways not previously discussed.
    Energy - people require and use energy. It is and will continue to be in short supply.
    Water - people require and use water. If you think people are willing to fight for oil, wait till it's water. IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, unless we take steps to curb it's use in the decades to come.

    Every manufacturing job or tech job lost to other countries is another unemployed US citizen. At some point, these people will HAVE to take a job in the "service" or construction (when it bounces back) economy. You know, all those jobs the illegals are doing, like sacking groceries, mowing lawns, roofing, insulating houses, framing, etc.

    They say we are becoming a service economy. Well, how are we going to make money to pay the illegal to do the service, if service is all we have?

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  • Rooney
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    Originally posted by Norseman View Post
    The Secure Border Initiative will slow down illegal immigration. However, it not stop it. No matter what size of the physical barrier they emplace or the technology they use for the virtual fence, illegals will still get across. Saying that, the U.S. needs to start somewhere and I believe the Secure Border Initiative is a good place to start.

    I currently live where in a State where illegal immigration runs rapid. The impact illegal immigration has is beyond belief.

    Let me list a few of them:

    • Overcrowded schools (in which bilingual teachers are paid more if they speak Spanish)
    • Overcrowded emergency rooms (where the illegals are using them for routine doctors visits)
    • Taking over the majority of entry level jobs (that most people who are in their 30s – 40s use to do when they were teens)
    • Crime has increased (identity theft is a major problem where I live)
    • Unpaid taxes (why should law abiding citizens support these criminals. My tax dollars are paying for the social services our municipalities and States provide to them for free)

    Just my thoughts.
    Absolutely agree on all counts.

    Here in Tucson Arizona there is even a story released this week of a school teacher that requires the students to do the Pledge of Allegiance in Spanish, not after english or before english, only in spanish. It is in a fifth grade class. If it was in high school spanish class I "might" understand.

    We also had another roll over accident of a van with 30 illegals in it. 5 life flights and numerous ambulances to many area hospitals. On the news the reporter at the news desk asked the reporter in the field, "Who is going to pay for this?". The field reporters response, "The feds will reimburse the hospitals for most of it.". What the hell kind of answer is that, "the feds"? Why doesn't the media state it for what it is. WE are going to pay for it.
    Close the border NOW.

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  • Norseman
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    The Secure Border Initiative will slow down illegal immigration. However, it not stop it. No matter what size of the physical barrier they emplace or the technology they use for the virtual fence, illegals will still get across. Saying that, the U.S. needs to start somewhere and I believe the Secure Border Initiative is a good place to start.

    I currently live where in a State where illegal immigration runs rapid. The impact illegal immigration has is beyond belief.

    Let me list a few of them:

    • Overcrowded schools (in which bilingual teachers are paid more if they speak Spanish)
    • Overcrowded emergency rooms (where the illegals are using them for routine doctors visits)
    • Taking over the majority of entry level jobs (that most people who are in their 30s – 40s use to do when they were teens)
    • Crime has increased (identity theft is a major problem where I live)
    • Unpaid taxes (why should law abiding citizens support these criminals. My tax dollars are paying for the social services our municipalities and States provide to them for free)

    Just my thoughts.

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  • integrator97
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    Originally posted by Rooney View Post
    I agree with you that we do have a population in this country that is lazy. And, I feel a large part of that is due to the politicians and society giving this "We are owed" mentality. Welfare was "supposed" to be a temporary thing to get people back on thier feet. Some just use it for an excuse not to work. In my opinion anyone that gets ANY government help must work or volunteer to offset the cost to the taxpayer.
    Don't get me started on a rant about the gov't programs that were supposed to be for those in need that have become entitlements to all, or long term (SSI for instance) .

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  • Rooney
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    Originally posted by user999 View Post
    I can only say what I witnessed in Miami.
    I was shocked to see how many homeless people crowl out after 17.00 to the streets, begging for money and feeling so comfortably in their cardboard boxes.
    Not so in my quite poor and small country.
    Here everyone works.
    I agree with you that we do have a population in this country that is lazy. And, I feel a large part of that is due to the politicians and society giving this "We are owed" mentality. Welfare was "supposed" to be a temporary thing to get people back on thier feet. Some just use it for an excuse not to work. In my opinion anyone that gets ANY government help must work or volunteer to offset the cost to the taxpayer.

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  • user999
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    I can only say what I witnessed in Miami.
    I was shocked to see how many homeless people crowl out after 17.00 to the streets, begging for money and feeling so comfortably in their cardboard boxes.
    Not so in my quite poor and small country.
    Here everyone works.

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    yea...?

    Yes, I agree welfare is important, but should be very limited for non citizens.
    Welfare is seemingly only important to those too lazy to get jobs. At least that was the impression I recieved in the grocery store days and from some of my project home assignments. The places where people on welfare would brag about getting frre gov't assistance. I had a job since I was 13 to help support my family. I see little excuse for welfare ever.

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  • integrator97
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    Yes, I agree welfare is important, but should be very limited for non citizens.

    You're right that we should make them work for their benefits. Maybe more would get off faster, at least the one's trying to milk the system. And it may cut down on fraud as you can't be in two places at once.

    I think the biggest problem with welfare, at least for those who don't want to be on it, is the all or nothing way it works. It's so hard for them to take a job, especially if they need childcare, because they generally lose all their benefits. We should have a sliding scale, to help these people off the system.

    Sorry everybody, for going off the immigration track.

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  • Rooney
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    Integrator97

    I agree completely. Amnesty does not help anyone.

    As for the jobs noone wants. Here is a good example of something I find very irritating. A friend of mine "was" a forman for a landscape company. He worked at the company for 15 years. Before the first amnesty situation all of the employees were American citizens of different ethnicities. After the amnesty, the company hired illegals to "save a buck". They let my friend go because he was not bilingual. For 15 years he never had a problem with communication with his crews. Needless to say paybacks are a @#$%. He called immigration and now the owner doesn't have a job (or much money) either.

    I completely understand why people want to come here and have no problem with those that do legally. The problem I have is the fact that our politicians want everyone to come and not have to meld into our society.

    Welfare is a good program for people going through hard times. The majority of people are only a paycheck or two from being in a bad situation. It is meant to help someone get through the hard times and get back on their feet. The problem is the people that take advantage of the situation and use it as if it is their payroll forever. I for one liked the idea of working for it either through community service, helping the homeless, volunteering at a veterans hospital, etc.

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  • integrator97
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    my 2 cents

    Yea, all those jobs U.S. citizens don't want. Such as construction framing, drywalling, insulating, concrete work, electricians, roofers. NO, it's just that they will do it cheaper. Sure, there are jobs nobody really wants, that doesn't mean nobody will do it, if you pay a fair wage. Keeping prices down isn't a valid reason for immigration or cheap labor. (flip side is that doesn't justify $24 bucks an hour to tighten lug nuts in a factory either).

    Amnesty! No way. We did that once. A 2nd time sets a definite precedent.

    Also, for anyone, from any country, not a U.S. Citizen: Break the law, other than minor traffic violations - your gone with no chance of returning. Period. Doesn't matter if your citizenship test is tomorrow. Doesn't matter what the circumstances of your visa, or even if it's political asylum or whatever. We don't need more criminals.

    At no time before you are a citizen (not that I support it for able bodied citizens either) should you receive any government subsistance - food stamps, welfare, medicare, etc. Exceptions possibly for catastrophic illness that occurs here, with no entitlement to long term care.

    Some countries require you to have employment, or a needed skill, before you can moeve there. We should too.

    That's some of what should be in an immigration bill.

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  • Rooney
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    [QUOTE=user999;33045]Not true. I work on a cruise ship, that is in american port every Sunday. All pozitions are open to americans. But americans are much happier with help they get from the government for not having job, than will they come over and work.
    Out of 1200 people that work on ship, maybe 10 of them are americans. And we are talking about company that has it's base in Miami. Lazy bones.
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    User999,
    There may be factors in why Americans don't want the jobs on a cruise ship. Wages, time away from family, etc.
    The way you typed the statement is actually offensive. I agree that some Americans may be lazy and want to live off of government checks, but, the way you stated it sounds like you think all Americans are lazy. I completely disagree. Here's one example.

    A company in Iowa was recently visited by our customs enforcement agency and deported 60% of the workers for being in our country illegally. The company said that they hired illegals because Americans did not want the jobs. They put adds in the local newspapers and on the radio. They got more applicants than the company had openings (75% more to be exact). And all of the applicants were Americans looking for work.

    As with any culture, you will find lazy people. I for one work 80-120 hours a week and do not have one lazy bone in my body. Like the old saying goes "You can't judge a man until you walk in his shoes." I have been to the Carribean a few times and have seen lazy people there as well. That doesn't mean that I think all people there are lazy.

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  • user999
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    Originally posted by Rooney View Post
    Other than that I think Americans want and still do all other types of work.
    Not true. I work on a cruise ship, that is in american port every Sunday. All pozitions are open to americans. But americans are much happier with help they get from the government for not having job, than will they come over and work.
    Out of 1200 people that work on ship, maybe 10 of them are americans. And we are talking about company that has it's base in Miami. Lazy bones.

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