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    Does anyone know anything about Abercrombie & Fitch Loss Prevention? I know they require a bachelors degree, but I haven't heard anything else about them. Anyone have any info?

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    Quote Originally Posted by neLP View Post
    Does anyone know anything about Abercrombie & Fitch Loss Prevention? I know they require a bachelors degree, but I haven't heard anything else about them. Anyone have any info?
    They require a bachelor's for their LP agents? Interesting! Looks like they don't want to pay much for it, though, at $33K per year (about $16/hr) and no other bonuses, etc.

    http://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/Ab..._D_KO22,49.htm

    Here's a page with a bunch of LP job postings at A&F: http://www.lpjobs.com/jobresults.asp...%20%26%20Fitch and yup, they do say a degree is required AND 1-2 years of experience besides:

    JOB DESCRIPTION
    Are you a Loss Prevention specialist but want more out of a retail security position? If so, there is a place for you at Abercrombie & Fitch. We pride ourselves on selecting only the most talented candidates for our positions that are dedicated to delivering great customer service. In return we offer a great salary and benefits package, as well as endless career opportunities.

    PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITIES
    *Partner with local store management to meet strategic loss prevention objectives
    *Commit to the highest degree of professionalism and customer service
    *Detect and apprehend shoplifters, processing and recovering Abercrombie merchandise
    *Prepare case reports covering theft details
    *Maintain effective relationship with local related law enforcement agencies
    *Represent Company in court proceeding related to apprehensions
    *Audit and ensure high execution of company security measures designed to control store and shrink
    *Identify and report indications of internal theft and determine sources
    *Provide training for designated stores.

    JOB QUALIFICATIONS
    *1-2 years experience within a retail security department
    *Effective at fostering strong business partnerships
    *Excellent communication and interpersonal skills
    *High success rate in the detection and apprehension of shoplifters
    *Bachelor`s degree required
    *Must pass comprehensive background check
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    I doubt they require a BA....but maybe

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    Quote Originally Posted by LPAgent View Post
    I doubt they require a BA....but maybe
    Why shouldn't we believe their own job posting (second line from the bottom)? It would be silly for them to put that requirement into the posting if they didn't really mean it, because it would mean that a lot of good people wouldn't apply.
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    ... what is this bachelor's degree going to offer the company for an entry level, non-management, position?
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    For one it will drastically change the "type" of candidates that they get. Additionally, the writing skills, public communications skills and critical thinking skills of the person will most likely be far better than a non-college educated person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjw064 View Post
    For one it will drastically change the "type" of candidates that they get. Additionally, the writing skills, public communications skills and critical thinking skills of the person will most likely be far better than a non-college educated person.
    Not to start a debate war on this, but I've yet to see any actual proof of that.

    The bulk of my coworkers over the past several years, through out various jobs, have included college grads. Some with Masters level and a couple with PhD's coming after their name.

    I haven't really seen any writing skills, communication skills or thinking skills that are any different than the non college educated workers. In truth, I've found that several of the college educated folk seem to perform worse than their "uneducated" brethren. Mainly (in my humble semi-educated opinion) because they believe themselves to already be "educated the right way" and are less likely to accept a differing opinion or style.

    But that's just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilli View Post
    Not to start a debate war on this, but I've yet to see any actual proof of that.

    The bulk of my coworkers over the past several years, through out various jobs, have included college grads. Some with Masters level and a couple with PhD's coming after their name.

    I haven't really seen any writing skills, communication skills or thinking skills that are any different than the non college educated workers. In truth, I've found that several of the college educated folk seem to perform worse than their "uneducated" brethren. Mainly (in my humble semi-educated opinion) because they believe themselves to already be "educated the right way" and are less likely to accept a differing opinion or style.

    But that's just me.


    Absolutely agree. Seen that myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilli View Post
    Not to start a debate war on this, but I've yet to see any actual proof of that.

    The bulk of my coworkers over the past several years, through out various jobs, have included college grads. Some with Masters level and a couple with PhD's coming after their name.

    I haven't really seen any writing skills, communication skills or thinking skills that are any different than the non college educated workers. In truth, I've found that several of the college educated folk seem to perform worse than their "uneducated" brethren. Mainly (in my humble semi-educated opinion) because they believe themselves to already be "educated the right way" and are less likely to accept a differing opinion or style.

    But that's just me.
    I've experienced quite the opposite.

    Many uneducated coworkers of mine have written the absolute most pathetic, embarrassing reports that I have ever read. While other, more educated coworkers actually have a grasp of the English language.

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    I see both sides of this question but it does point out something worth noting.

    If it's true that A&F are looking for certain qualities like communication and thinking skills, requiring a degree is the wrong way to go about it for two reasons:

    1. A degree doesn't guarantee you'll get someone with those qualities. At best it might improve the odds.
    2. Many people have those qualities who do not have a degree.

    So - you're still going to get applications from people who don't have what you were really looking for in the first place, and you won't get to see other people who did have what you were looking for but were barred from applying. This is what happens when you assume that a credential guarantees the actual skills or traits that you're looking for.

    Instead of going around the mulberry bush with the degree requirement, A&F should specifically state the skills or qualities they're looking for and then test candidates for them - it's easily and quickly done. You would usually only test candidates who have met the other requirements (experience, etc.) and passed an initial interview anyway.

    If you're looking for "X" in a candidate, say so. Don't ask for "Y", assuming that people with "Y" will automatically give you "X". If you want people who can make moonshine, say so (and make them bring a sippin' sample to the interview). Don't say "Must be a Kentucky hillbilly". If you're looking for a guy who can chop down trees, say so. Then check out his job references, hand him an axe and point him toward a tree. Don't say "Must have a degree in forestry". When you do this, you're really hoping that a piece of paper will save you the work of actually judging or testing whether or not a candidate is suited for the job.

    The other possibility is that A&F are getting a lot of applications and are using the degree requirement purely as a screening device. That's fair enough, but if so, it seems to me that an AA or AS degree would be more appropriate for this position and the compensation level than a bachelor's. By requiring the bachelor's and then only paying $16/hr for it, A&F are actually unwittingly saying "We want the degree, but we really don't value it very much" - and that was the basis for my initial astonishment. It's hard for me to believe that you're going to have a population of college graduates who are going to be very happy for very long at those salary levels, and once the economy turns around A&F might just find that they've created their own turnover problem.

    I can think of several LP folks who have all of the smarts, class, communication skills to work in the most "hoity-toity" store on Rodeo Drive and who, more to the point, are highly skilled at spotting the fancy grab (the main skill, which seems to get lost in all of this). But they couldn't work for A&F, while someone who couldn't spot a hippopotamus working a booster box apparently can...because they GRAHDUATED from HAHVAHD, dahling. Right...and as soon as that job on Wall Street opens up, they're history.
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