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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaeger View Post
    Life's a constant crossroads and wrestling with yourself nowadays.
    Are you at a crossroads (you must choose one path and reject another), or are you in fact at a buffet (and can't decide what to put on your plate)? There's a big difference - and a difference in how you approach the situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaeger View Post
    Mainly the reason why I stomp around the various vocational studies related to this business is simply because I need something to do other than punching in hours at work for no real benefit.
    I'm considering the vocational certificate security supervisors right now if I can get the company to pay for it. If only for the "something else to do"- factor, but also the obvious benefit in applying for a supervisory role and whatnot. Not that we have a lot of accounts needing supervisors right now, or new incoming ones, as you're probably aware of.

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    This is just my personal opinion, but around here the only words you need to start repeating in your thoughts after completing a few vocational courses, studies and the like is "in-house", "in-house" and "in-house".

    As I've said before those positions are usually better paid, have better employment benefits but not always offer career advancement, but neither does the private security business unless you're willing to wait for decades. I seem to meet alot of colleagues who have gone through a lot of all sorts of training and education in the business along with the right motivation, but they're still working in the grassroots level when they should just start seeking alternative employment in the security business but not necessary under some private security company specialised in contract jobs.

    For an example a certain hospital district employes their own security officers here and they hire at regular intervals. They're better paid and have certain better benefits, but the job is still pretty much the same as is with private companies. Still though, the pay is better and once getting a job with them will always look better in your resume than just being employed by a dozen private companies as a regular officer.

    Some in-house positions are not really that hard to get into, but from what I've seen and heard it is alot more worth it than to just carry around as usual for years in a private company with very uncertain ways to "move up" even a few more inches up the ladder.

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    The industry runs to make money. The owners of the original concept of being a proud CEO and Manager while being able to make a profit and be fair to your people are gone. The idea of giving back to those who make the company work is also a lost concept.

    Be honest to yourself when you start to work for a security company' ANY security company. Leave yourself an out because the nature of this business is numbers and you are part of the black line on the charts. When it gets close to the red they start with the numbers and not those with the big letters (CEO, MGR, etc).

    In-house might, might hold a better prospect. But in Florida in-house is honestly not that much better. A lot of businesses around here had in-house for years. But as the competition grew (what ever their business was the others where getting ahead of them), the cost of maintaining things got more expensive they looked to contract.

    In-house may provide benefits contract does not. But here trying to get on with in-house is always a struggle due to most people are not letting those jobs go or the security force is very small. And the wages are not that much better to begin with in most places around here. A large hospital had armed in-house for years, but as of about a year ago went to contract. But the Chief of course got to keep his job as an hospital employee. Small numbers, not the big letters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Echos13 View Post
    The industry runs to make money. The owners of the original concept of being a proud CEO and Manager while being able to make a profit and be fair to your people are gone. The idea of giving back to those who make the company work is also a lost concept.
    I'll agree with the first sentence, but as a CEO/Manager, I'm going to have to disagree with the second.

    Part of my business model is not only being fair to my people, but taking care of them.

    My people are my business. Without them, I have nothing. As hard as I work, I can't do everything myself.

    They are the ones out there representing me. I have received calls saying, "Hey, I met one of your officers. He was sharp looking and very professional, I'd like to get a bid form you for a contract." Guess who got a bonus?

    I pay above local standard wage, which means I also bid higher as well. I'm lucky in that my company has multiple streams of revenue and isn't dependent on getting that next security contract. If I don't win the bid at a rate that means I can pay my people well, then oh well. I probably didn't want the account anyway.

    What do I get out of paying my people above average wages? I get above average people.

    I don't have to worry about an employee spending his or her time at work browsing Craigslist for the next security company.

    I don't have to worry about my employees doing something to jeopardize their job or my contract. They know I pay well and they won't make as much doing the exact same job somewhere else, and so they want to keep their job. This translates to happy clients who keep my contract.

    I am proud of my company and of my people, and I do give back to them. I know of a couple other companies in my area that do as well (Guess who I network and trade jobs with?). I'm sorry you have no similar companies where you are. Maybe you should start one.

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    Here's my 2 cents from the bottom of the hill looking up. If you are willing lowto work hard for long hours and low pay, putting in your time giving up holidays or hanging out with friends based on your shift schedule its a great job. You just have to keep in mind it is a 24-7 365 industry and not a 9-5 gig. As a new guy you wont get the prime shifts, pobably put in a lot of midnights or floating hours to start. You will have people call off or not show up and guess who has to cover the open post? You do. That being said its a great job for meeting interesting people, its a great job for going to school and if you get in to the right place either contract or in house you will have some good oppurtunities. Try and find a gig with a comprehensive training program, if you get offered extra training take it. Develop a reputation for quality work and reliability and the perks will follow. If you have an employer with tuition assistance take advantage. The more of yourself you invest in a company the more they will invest in you, and eventually you will climb the dungheap to the prime posts, shift assignments and even supervisory/management posistions. Good luck op. Ah yes and also keep reading the forums and learning the lessons of those who have gone before so you don't make our mistakes!

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    Your company sounds like a great one to work for and you sound like an awesome employer.


    Quote Originally Posted by AcaciaCon View Post
    I'll agree with the first sentence, but as a CEO/Manager, I'm going to have to disagree with the second.

    Part of my business model is not only being fair to my people, but taking care of them.

    My people are my business. Without them, I have nothing. As hard as I work, I can't do everything myself.

    They are the ones out there representing me. I have received calls saying, "Hey, I met one of your officers. He was sharp looking and very professional, I'd like to get a bid form you for a contract." Guess who got a bonus?

    I pay above local standard wage, which means I also bid higher as well. I'm lucky in that my company has multiple streams of revenue and isn't dependent on getting that next security contract. If I don't win the bid at a rate that means I can pay my people well, then oh well. I probably didn't want the account anyway.

    What do I get out of paying my people above average wages? I get above average people.

    I don't have to worry about an employee spending his or her time at work browsing Craigslist for the next security company.

    I don't have to worry about my employees doing something to jeopardize their job or my contract. They know I pay well and they won't make as much doing the exact same job somewhere else, and so they want to keep their job. This translates to happy clients who keep my contract.

    I am proud of my company and of my people, and I do give back to them. I know of a couple other companies in my area that do as well (Guess who I network and trade jobs with?). I'm sorry you have no similar companies where you are. Maybe you should start one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcaciaCon View Post
    I'll agree with the first sentence, but as a CEO/Manager, I'm going to have to disagree with the second.

    Part of my business model is not only being fair to my people, but taking care of them.

    My people are my business. Without them, I have nothing. As hard as I work, I can't do everything myself.

    They are the ones out there representing me. I have received calls saying, "Hey, I met one of your officers. He was sharp looking and very professional, I'd like to get a bid form you for a contract." Guess who got a bonus?

    I pay above local standard wage, which means I also bid higher as well. I'm lucky in that my company has multiple streams of revenue and isn't dependent on getting that next security contract. If I don't win the bid at a rate that means I can pay my people well, then oh well. I probably didn't want the account anyway.

    What do I get out of paying my people above average wages? I get above average people.

    I don't have to worry about an employee spending his or her time at work browsing Craigslist for the next security company.

    I don't have to worry about my employees doing something to jeopardize their job or my contract. They know I pay well and they won't make as much doing the exact same job somewhere else, and so they want to keep their job. This translates to happy clients who keep my contract.

    I am proud of my company and of my people, and I do give back to them. I know of a couple other companies in my area that do as well (Guess who I network and trade jobs with?). I'm sorry you have no similar companies where you are. Maybe you should start one.
    I agree with all of this. Being in the same situation, we also bid higher for contracts, but like you, we have the metrics and statistics to back up our bid. As a result, we are able to offer our employees compensation that is well above the industry average, and we also offer excellent career advancement. I also don't agree that it's fair that the executive team doesn't care about the staff - I am familiar with many other company executives, and that is not true.

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    AcaciaCon...

    So may we inquire as to the name or organization of this fair and balanced guard firm?

    "I'm sorry you have no similar companies where you are"...
    Don't be sorry' its not your fault that's just the way most firms are below the Peach Arch.

    "Maybe you should start one"...
    As for starting one is a rather redundant factor here' being I am retired. I have observed the things I have seen and experienced up front and allow for others to think about at their own determination. And that might be the problem here' there are too many of them as it is?

    Just sayin...
    My views, opinions and statements are my own. They are not of my company, affiliates or coworkers.

    -If you try to shoot the messenger, this one shoots back

    -It's just a job kid, deal with it

    -The industry needs to do one of two things; stop fiddling with the thin line and go forward or go back to that way it was. A flashlight in one hand and your set of keys in the other

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