Pepper spray, threaten or use straight away?

[Squid]

"spray, spray, spray!" could mean a lot of different things.

I think I'll go with a "well then, talk to the pepper spray, bitch!"

It is all about clearly communicating to the subject how he or she will be "consequenced" in language he or she understands.

[sec-guy]

After hearing of the experiences of "overspray" here and because I work unarmed I will be
reaching for my baton first (a non-lethal and lethal use option).

[Security_K9_Guy]

After hearing of the experiences of "overspray" here and because I work unarmed I will be
reaching for my baton first (a non-lethal and lethal use option).

YouTube can be a real bitch.

[sec-guy]

YouTube can be a real bitch.

yeah.....taking actual training and getting sprayed is probably the better convincer.........

[PolarDeer]

An armed officer would not want a knife weilding attacker any closer than say
20ft before reacting; so for someone with OC what would your "trigger-distance"
be knowning for instance some sprays can reach further than others?

I don't have a set distance, it all depends on how aggressively the subject is behaving and if he is armed (with an edged or blunt weapon, that is, if he's carrying a firearm my tactic is to run as fast as possible to the opposite direction :P ) and how he is responding to issued warnings before I'll make the decision to spray him. Usually carrying stream, I find it a good "general" type since I might expect to have to use it both indoors and outdoors.

I usually work in a suit, with the sprayer in a pouch on my belt and under the blazer. That way I would hope that if I would get into a situation in which OC would have to be used, that the subject would not figure out I'm carrying a sprayer with me until it would be too late for him to react to it.

I don't have that advantage with the MK4 Peter Jones that I carry, though otherwise it's a damn good item. :P

I was telling some fellow SOs I don't think I'd ever go for the baton, because I'd not want to ever get that close to someone who the pepperspray doesn't work on, so I'd go for the gun after the spray.

Aside from the gun part, the latter example I referred to actually was one where at least a couple of the subjects seemed to have taken amphetamine in addition to the booze. Another officer pulled out the OC first so I had a couple of seconds of "ASP vs OC?" thinking, though I went for the latter figuring the baton might not achieve a desired effect. A third officer in the situation told me later on that he had the same problem.

[sec-guy]

Found this. Did not know whether to start a new thread or add here. It seems appropriate to the
subject of the thread...........POLARDEER: Apologies if not

oc spray gun
The JPX Pepper Gunby
It definetly hits the mark.............maybe to big for some
Pricey.............Made in Europe (thumbs down)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGnIdWwKWe8

[tacticalguy]

"spray, spray, spray!" could mean a lot of different things.

I think I'll go with a "well then, talk to the pepper spray, bitch!"

It is all about clearly communicating to the subject how he or she will be "consequenced" in language he or she understands.

Really? How many different things might it mean? I was referring to communicating with additional officers, not attempting to intimidate the subject with the size of my...canister. I don't advertize the OC to the subject beforehand.