What was your site and what was expected of you? O&R in some office building in the hood is alot different than being tasked to enforce property rules/regs and in some cases detain/arrest for law violations in a high crime area or residential complex.
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12-08-2012, 08:00 PM #21
Last edited by zm88; 12-08-2012 at 08:03 PM.Sergeant Phil Esterhaus: "Hey, let's be careful out there.."
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12-11-2012, 07:01 PM #22Senior Member
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Once again Squid, I'm calling bull**** on your statements. OPD, who i've worked with on special teams doesn't fear anywhere in the city. Please provide a name and contact number for anyone who can verify your statements.
You've never done 1/10th of the things you said you did, and in your own mind doesn't count. Go play somewhere else. Your solutions to questions are so stupid as to create real issues if anyone were to follow your "advice".
12-13-2012, 03:22 AM #23
***Editing because I read Squid's post about providing security for drug dealers. I've worked Section 8 Housing in south Florida, several times. Every time, our ROE was to enforce the rules of the Housing Authority, which is administered by HUD. We detained trespassers, suspected drug dealers, suspected prostitutes and their "clients", IV drug users and crack smokers. We responded to calls for service for EVERYTHING. Domestic violence, gun calls, shootings, robberies, etc. The only client that we worked for was the Housing Authority. No kickbacks or extra service, either way. We just did the job. I have been in some places where the local LE straight out told us that if we weren't on the property they wouldn't respond to a call with less than four officers. Near the end of my last HA job, the officer detail shrunk from 6-8 per shift to just 2.
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12-25-2012, 01:42 PM #24Senior Member
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jtwestern.......Lockwood Gardens, Oakland and Potrero Hill, SF.
Ask either how many "people" do they send for maintenance/(private)security on a 'call'. Answer: "just one, of course".
Ask the residents what it means if one or two cops show up. Answer: "nothing, but if you start seeing 4,5 or 6 THEN they gonna be taking someone down".
One or even two SFPD or OPD "taking action" unsupported in "the projects"? Not gonna happen. They need at least a few extra cops just to handle the crowd that comes out of the wood work to "support" whoever is getting busted, watch the cop cars, etc.
Not that I, as maintenance/security had same 'duties' as cops, but still. I was coming in response to resident requests for service.
IIRC it was about summer of 1999 at Lockwood someone blocked in a cop car against a hi curb while the officers were up in the projects with a old junk Caddy. Cop comes back and figures he'll muscle it up the curb and it gets half stuck and hi-centered and he is burning rubber and you hear the car hitting concrete. "The Crowd" is going nuts of course. Never seen so many happy people.
After that we noticed they always parked more out in the roadway and had at least one cop hanging back with the cars.
I guess that is why you often see cops "parking badly", so they can't be blocked in (by mah boyz lol)
PS-ask any long time Black resident of Oakland if the "Riders Trial" scandal surprised them. They will tell you "Hell yeah, I'm damn surprised Oakland finally got one honest cop for a whole two weeks". That was "the joke" in response to the then current police chief saying how 'surprised' he was about the whole thing. Stop by the "Oakland Police Officer's Association" office. The union goons have erected their very own private(but totally official looking) "OPA official parking ONLY" signs on the public sidewalk to scare off other cars from the PUBLIC spaces in front of their office. Obviously, if any other business pulled a stunt like that they would be getting a massive bill from the city from removing the signs and repair of sidewalk, and maybe even a criminal charge. Lets remember that OPD is currently the ONLY police dept under some Fed Judge's "supervision" for generally not being able to...."handle their own personal hygiene" shall we say. After 10+ years! Compared to OPD, the Raiders are doing great.
However, unlike the 69th Vill, whose crime rate dropped after remodeling, these efforts have done little to thwart the crime that still plagues the 65th Vill. Rappers such as G-Stack, Tuffy, Yukmouth and the late Rap-A-Lot Records artist Seagram Miller all claim The Vill home.
I bet I've casually known at least one of those guys when they were kids. I'd always be hit with "20 questions" from the kids. They seemed very curious about the world outside the ghetto, my tools, etc.
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01-14-2013, 03:56 AM #25Junior Member
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Squid, again you make no sense at all. Have you failed to see in the news how the US Gov't has been investigating Sheriff Joe in Arizona and his sheriff's Department for supposed civil rights and other legal infractions? Have you failed to see other federal investigations, law suits, etc into other large city PDs? Ever major city has apartment complexes, neighborhoods, etc where they will send more then just one or two cops due to concerns about the crime or geography. That doesn't make the police scared or bribed in anyway. The vast majority of LEOs in this nation are hard working, honest individuals. It's people with poor attitudes and lack of intelligence who create false images of the police. Now I am not saying you have a poor attitude or lack of intelligence, perhaps you just don't know how to see and or look for things going on outside of your immediate life / mind.