Need for the best training available

[zm88]

I only wish they had a similar company up here in Boston. Might i suggest we get stop the bickering about what a company calls itself, especially seeing how this thread is about a slain officer?

[Corpsec1]

I only wish they had a similar company up here in Boston. Might i suggest we get stop the bickering about what a company calls itself, especially seeing how this thread is about a slain officer?

This thread is about the need for the best training available that cited the slain officer. SecTrainer set me straight that other companies call themselves "agencies" as well. I still don't like it and find it "wanna-be-ish"

From all I have read, Security Guards in Florida have extremely little authority and can only makes arrests and detentions in very limited cases. They are between a rock and a hard place. Many of the things that police officers can do to aid in their safety, security guards cannot do.

For example:

I work in a bad neighborhood and have seen this dozens of times. The police roll up to a group of gang bangers just hanging out smoking weed, drinking, loitering, shooting dice, etc. They hop out and order the group to the ground or to the wall AT GUNPOINT. All are then thouroughly patted down and ran for wants/warrants. That helps with officer safety, I doubt Florida guards can employ such a tactic.

As a cop, you get on the air and say you need back-up...you get back up in the form of squads that can speed, run stop signs/lights etc. As a security guard, your back up has to stop at lights, obey traffic laws etc. You dispatcher can call the cops, but it takes a little while for the call to get to the boots on the ground officers and they are not going to come a-running like they would if it was one of their own.

Police officers (at least around here) routinely have their guns drawn and issue lawful commands at gunpoint. One of my police academy instructors who is a St. Paul cop says he "cheeks" his gun on every night time traffic stop. I called the cops not too long ago on a drunk that urinated on our front door. When the cops showed up, he was standing out on the sidewalk with his hands in his coat (it is Minnesota after all). He had a gun and a taser pointed at him as he was ordered to show his hands.

I could go on and on. Security guards just do not have the authority that cops do... not even close. I don't care if they are armed and have vests and cool police package Chargers.

[zm88]

Now its sounding like an attack on the company. They've found an effective way to do.their jobs, and get the.community involved. I don't see anywhere saying these guys think they're the police. You say this threads about the best training available but i have yet to see anything posted about training. All I've read is you criticizing a company for its unique approach to high crime development s and how they look like the police. Or did i miss something?

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Now its sounding like an attack on the company. They've found an effective way to do.their jobs, and get the.community involved. I don't see anywhere saying these guys think they're the police. You say this threads about the best training available but i have yet to see anything posted about training. All I've read is you criticizing a company for its unique approach to high crime development s and how they look like the police. Or did i miss something?

ZM88, You're last post was nice and right on, moving forward, I looked into this CIS outfit, I don't know too much about them other then they take a Tac approach to their business, and I also agree with the post above, If you look at the thread below this one, we're talking about my friends (2) hard core operators who ETS's out of the mil series X18 Green Berets / Delta who are with an awesome company who trains only the best seeking the best, they leave no stone unturned when it comes to their training.

[zm88]

They have videos of their deplouments its pretty cool. If any company has decent training id say its these guys.


We should get back on topic though, best training available? My company has ojt as well as a library of yraining modules. Some are useful, some are common sense. We're first aid/cpr certified as well as aed at my site. In the past i took path and a baton/Defensive tactic class as well as various martial arts over the years. What have others here done as far as training?

[sec-guy]

sooooo.......BACK TO TRAINING

What does a well-trained security officer wearing body-armor (working in a well lit area ) do if a young male riding a bicycle and
wearing a bandana around his face (shown on a camera in the area) shows up?

The video makes it look as if the bike rider was looking at the camera when he adjusted his bandana.

[zm88]

Theres no way to prepare for everything. Ive had times when i was sure i was gonna die while struggling with one or more people or when ive been attacked and stomped on the ground. You train and train amd train, that way you have a better.chance then the guy on your shift whose too busy playing angry birds and stealing from the vending machine when the SHTF. You can also be better prepared when that guy calls for back up because he didnt train.

Some people may just be at a site where none of thos applies. Single shift, in a guard shack pr tappin magnets with their tour system. Doesnt mean you cant take a different training approach beaides the defensive tactics. Business management courses so ypu can run the site instead of walking it. Just my take on the training matter

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Well first off, let me offer my condolences to the CIS community and to their CEO KC Poulin and to the Little family on the loss of Officer Little while on watch and in the line of duty. Officer little was a first rate operator, friend and a fine officer, a good guy that everyone and the squad liked. And it must be very difficult time for CEO KC Poulin and his community, that said, His watch is over, may fair winds and blue skies be with Officer Little always!!.

After speaking with a friend from the pan handle, I learned that CSI is a top notch company and it's a first rate operation with mighty fine officers and operators in their fold, their training is second to none, and their Chief of Operations is tops in the High Risk, EP, security community with an outstanding reputation for raising the bar higher in their training and approach for being squared away. It just goes to show you that you learn something new every day, it's a shame I found out all this information and intel from the loss of one of their officers and one of their own.

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