Walmart shopper suing over body slam captured on camera

[capurato]

I would like to see the video of him entering the store without the oil. Also the video was edited and cut. It is no one continuous video.

I am not sure if this apprehension falls under the new or old AP policy. If the new policy, the case was probably dismissed because the AP were terminated and thus did not show for court (which is a question for another thread).

We have no word if it's a good or bad stop. All we have is what the news wants us to see.

[ptisecurity]

What was obviously WAY overboard? Why should they be fired?

Okay your right...
Its always harder to judge a situation unless you know ALL the facts. So I can't by any means say I would fire or lay off the guard until I knew all the facts.
It just seemed like the security guard(s) should have used a little more common sense.

I mean silly things like this happen all the time...
Just last year I went to walmart and realized after I got home I didn't pay for one of my items. The clerk forgot to ring it up because he didn't see it. Same thing happend with this guy, he confessed everything.

All I am saying is IMO the officers could of handled this job in a more professional manner.

Remember this is just my opinion so you can disagree if you want

[zm88]

Same thing happened with this guy, he confessed....

In your intro you stated you dealt with security and LP, im assumimg you mean as a vendor? Not being hostile, bit i cant count how many times people have conveniently remembered they didn't pay something, or had some excuse to.justify their actions. I finally saw the video, and from.what i see is a guy putting up items on the conveyor, while he confidently moves the carriage out of sight from the cashier. It looks as if he was looking down at the cart as well. The footage shows a man trying to leave and then shows him getting dropped on the ground. Not the cleanest takedown imo but we don't see what lead up to that either.

[Nauticus]

and/or defending themselves.

If they weren't getting their jollies beating him up, the both of them would have handcuffed him within 10 secs of the body slam, tops. (10 secs in a LONG time in a two on one fight in a cubicle).

For the amount of time, and being as they were in a Walmart, they could have had other employees bring some duct tape and rope, chains and pad locks, fashioned a straight jacket with 5 min epoxy and something from "Men's Wear", plied him alcohol to subdue him, or used Bear Spray from 'camping'.


Not sure about rest of USA, but here in CA it was decided you are not required to show a receipt when exiting, and store is in big trouble if they try to stop you, since the items are now yours and you have no need to prove anything to anybody.

I won some "points" off my Accounting prof on that one, because "Costco sure requires it". They might be able to revoke your membership, but as far as leaving with your items it is same as anywhere.

Yes, but "not having your receipt" is not grounds for an arrest in any state that I'm aware of, or in Canada. Receipt checkers are a deterrent, and I think most places allow them the right to ask for a receipt. It's also your right to continue walking, as they cannot detain you.

Loss prevention typically won't arrest you for not having a receipt. They have their own criteria that they follow to commit arrests.

Okay your right...
Its always harder to judge a situation unless you know ALL the facts. So I can't by any means say I would fire or lay off the guard until I knew all the facts.
It just seemed like the security guard(s) should have used a little more common sense.

I mean silly things like this happen all the time...
Just last year I went to walmart and realized after I got home I didn't pay for one of my items. The clerk forgot to ring it up because he didn't see it. Same thing happend with this guy, he confessed everything.

All I am saying is IMO the officers could of handled this job in a more professional manner.

Remember this is just my opinion so you can disagree if you want

He can say what he wants to say, but that doesn't mean that it's factually true. It may be the case, or it may also be a case of the subject intentionally trying to hide the oil from the cashier. The brief video certainly does suggest some intent, though it may be circumstantial.

[Squid]

do a few things, like take item off shelf and 'secret' it, etc.

Yes, they got people all the time walking in stores with items to return and not knowing where that is, etc.

People will take an item to return, walk back to where those are on shelf, put theirs back and take the right one and (hopefully) take the one they are now wanting to the returns counter.

I get what Nauty is saying about "min dollar value" for an arrest being a BAD BAD idea, but for LP to be effective they don't have to make a SUCCESSFUL arrest.

A foot chase where you intentionally let him BARELY get away is fine, as would be hollering up in his face to "Stop! you are under arrest, the police are coming, refusal to stop may result in further CRIMINAL charges(prob not true but what the hell)...We are authorized to use force to detain you, stop or be peppersprayed!"....etc as he slow walks back to his car, with another LP up in his face snapping photos, etc.....

should be just as effective for the 99% a big player like Walmart is really worried about.

[zm88]

Squid i dont understand the last paragraph, please elaborate more?

[Nauticus]

do a few things, like take item off shelf and 'secret' it, etc.

Yes, they got people all the time walking in stores with items to return and not knowing where that is, etc.

People will take an item to return, walk back to where those are on shelf, put theirs back and take the right one and (hopefully) take the one they are now wanting to the returns counter.

I get what Nauty is saying about "min dollar value" for an arrest being a BAD BAD idea, but for LP to be effective they don't have to make a SUCCESSFUL arrest.

A foot chase where you intentionally let him BARELY get away is fine, as would be hollering up in his face to "Stop! you are under arrest, the police are coming, refusal to stop may result in further CRIMINAL charges(prob not true but what the hell)...We are authorized to use force to detain you, stop or be peppersprayed!"....etc as he slow walks back to his car, with another LP up in his face snapping photos, etc.....

should be just as effective for the 99% a big player like Walmart is really worried about.

I don't think you really understand loss prevention.

There are tons of programs in place to deter "the 99%" from stealing; those opportunists, habituals, etc who steal despite pre-existing programs may have to be deterred from future shoplift attempts through prosecution and store barrings. The truly habitual shoplifters, for example, will steal again and again regardless, and the most effective way to deal with them is by reporting each arrest to the police (and each trespassing charge, if applicable) to obtain more effective punishment.

"Almost" catching someone is not like catching them. They got away, so they may be motivated to try again. As well, letting them get away does not allow them to actually discover the seriousness of the crime, and they would not be able to actually observe what the court process could do.

My suggestion, take it for what it's worth, is to get some field time and do some training to actually understand the systems that you have such opinions about. If you understood loss prevention to its' fullest, your opinion would be much different.

[Kawi]

do a few things, like take item off shelf and 'secret' it, etc.

A foot chase where you intentionally let him BARELY get away is fine

A foot chase, period, is bad news and should never be allowed...unless some exigent circumstance made it absolutely necessary.

[Nauticus]

A foot chase, period, is bad news and should never be allowed...unless some exigent circumstance made it absolutely necessary.

Agreed.

If it results in a foot chase, I believe it would probably be because the LP failed to effectively plan the apprehension properly.