Should the California B.S.I.S be disbanded and duties be transferred to P.O.S.T ?

[gonzo1510]

I've been doing some thinking about the industry here in California and its licensing standards for guards.

I think that the state should transfer the duties of the B.S.I.S. to P.O.S.T. which handles the training for all law enforcement in the state.

The reason for this is based on personal observations and interactions with other guards and B.S.I.S. itself.
The state personnel are assigned to B.S.I.S. are a part of the Department of Consumer Affairs, which is responsible for everything from Acupuncture to taxidermy, in addition to oversight of all the security guards in the state.

I know some here might say that we are not L/E to which I say you're right. But we do carry weaponry and are entrusted with the safety of others from time to time depending on the given assignment. I think that we as an industry should have better training than some local "rubber stamp" security school. With POST handling our permits and training, I think the industry would start to lose the stereotypical image of the inept security guard.

I also believe that being better trained would allow company owners (like myself) to be able to get away from having to beat low-ball bidders for what are otherwise great accounts.

What do you guys think ?

[msovfin]

I can not speak for California but can say that In Pennsylvania, Act 235 is administered by the division of the State Police which handles municipal police training. I see no reason why this could not work in Ca.

Also wanted to add that SORA is run by NJSP as well. However their firearms cert is run at a local level, NJSP only for out of state applicants.

[Raider510]

I think this could be a good idea, the thought of having P.O.S.T Accredidation for security guards would give the look of being more professional IMHO.

[CesarTJr]

I agree 100%
I think all security personal in the state should have at least a CA Post PC 832 ”A”certificate
And if you are armed a “B” certificate as well.
These are given by taking college administered classes or law enforcement training classes.
The certificates are good for 3 years from issue and must be renewed to keep the certification.

You must take written exams, show hands on defense, take down, & arrest tactics with a pass or fail grade to get an A certificate with the same instructors that certify Leos.

You must shoot 1000 to 1500 rounds over 3 days (24 hours) to get a “B” certificate with the same instructors that certify Leos.

Then I think the state bsis firearm requals can come into play.

I know that over 75% of the so’s out there would NOT make the cut and that would benefit the industry and any one in this field due to a better industry image and way better wages.

Just may 2 cents
And yes I do have both the A & B certificate, all BSIS training, & a CA CCW for work.
and no I was not a leo

[Nuke_Worker]

An option for my vote isn't included. I don't think BSIS is doing a great job, but I also don't think POST should regulate us.

POST is geared to public officers and it would be a strong direction change for them to regulate private security. This may work in other states, but the State politics would ruin us.

[Squid]

if you got your pepper, baton etc years ago they are still lifetime

[gonzo1510]

I would normally agree with you but I think that this should include anyone that currently holds the permits...


The purpose of this intended law is to improve the standards under which a person can become a guard.

Seriously, Is this the kind of image you want the public to think of when private security is brought up ?

[jtwestern]

Since there would not be any way to verify quality training, then no 'grandfathering' for weapons should be allowed. Each SO would be given a year or so to attend the required POST training, if not, then they can go work somewhere else. That would be the only way. If you want POST to run it, then everyone who does not have the required training gets zero'd out.