if you are a bouncer and "patron" refuses to leave, but isn't activily

[Squid]

attacking others, is it legal to use force to eject him?

Lets assume this is where the cops typically take a hour to respond.

Should you pepper spray them first, being as that supposedly wont cause permanent harm, rather that engage in physical contact with him still at "100%" which to me would be far more likely to lead to "permanent harm" to either party?

[TOII]

As a bouncer...you aren't likely to be carrying pepper spray, or any weapons. In California you would be guilty of a felony for using pepper spray in that situation. He may be removed upon refusal to comply with you instructions.

[Squid]

what exact moves do you use?

what if he resists by either swinging at you or hanging on to the bar?

[Nauticus]

My advice would be to take a Use of Force training course or something.

You can use escalating levels of force to remove people from your property who refuse to do so. If every bouncer started calling the police because someone won't leave, it adds a greater workload to the police and, frankly, the bouncers aren't doing their job.

You should rely on techniques that you are trained in and/or use on a regular basis. Trying to apply something that you don't have the muscle memory to really know how to do, in a potentially violent situation, is not a good idea.

[zm88]

When I first started out, if managment/policy said it was time to leave then one way or another you were leaving. ofcourse atbthat time I was 17 with no experience and did not think straight.

I'd approach with at least 2, they make a move then you're legally defending yourself against an attack. Deploy OC in a CLUB? You ok guy? I remember a kid spraying that stuff in high school in the cafeteria and the chaos that ensued from an open area like that, I can't imagine the maylay in a bar or club. Take some self defense classes, learn some moves that you can use to protect yourself abd your clients. None of this is LEGAL advice, so please make the decision on your own.

By the way, I eventually learned that most the time you dont need force, and can talk people out or deescalate a situation before ot turns into a cluster

[HotelSecurity]

In canada you can "use the force necessary" to evict him. If he actively resists you can arrest for "assaultby a trespasser".

[Nauticus]

In canada you can "use the force necessary" to evict him. If he actively resists you can arrest for "assaultby a trespasser".

But that doesn't help a bouncer, because typically they have more important things to do than arrest people.

The best option, I believe, is still to remove physically and legally. There is no magic wristlock that will work, so it really just boils down to taking the initative of training and familiarizing yourself with self defense and eviction techniques.

[TOII]

what exact moves do you use?

what if he resists by either swinging at you or hanging on to the bar?

The moves very by situation and by person. If someone is dumb enough to swing on you...use the appropriate level of force. if they hold on to the bar, break their grip and remove the person.

To HS...yeah bouncers are unlikely to arrest...I did that maybe one time, and that was for trying to stab me.

We don't have assault by trespasser, just assault (or battery if they actually completed the assault).

[A2012SC]

I believe the answers to your question vary greatly from state to state. You need to find out the laws and the “norms” in your state, and even your city.

Also, there’s a reason why many bouncers are giants, because it greatly reduces their workload. A small guy can do it, but he will have work twice as hard to sweet talk people all night, or learn martial arts, and that’s a lot of work to do to match up to someone who is just genetically huge.

[Pop pop]

I believe the answers to your question vary greatly from state to state. You need to find out the laws and the “norms” in your state, and even your city.

Also, there’s a reason why many bouncers are giants, because it greatly reduces their workload. A small guy can do it, but he will have work twice as hard to sweet talk people all night, or learn martial arts, and that’s a lot of work to do to match up to someone who is just genetically huge.

And that right there dude, (A2012SC) is one of the many differences between the stands and (SFOD-D) Operators. Cowboy up!! keep law and order. Get a team, Keep your mouth shut, and work the crowd. Go to work. Attitude goes a long way.

Just saying. And always keep up your (DAR) Direct After Action Report, call it Professional courtesy.