Orlando security guard shot

[SIW Editor]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-bk-shooting051006,0,6821685.story?track=rss

[N. A. Corbier]

Filed at 8:28 AM, and they don't even know the man's name or what company he worked for.

I hope he recovers fully, even non-life threatening gunshot wounds aren't life altering.

[N. A. Corbier]

This may or may not be the same incident.

http://cfn13.com/StoryHeadline.aspx?id=15489

Two men attacked a security guard Wednesday morning and left him in critical condition.

The attack happened in the Vista Lakes neighborhood in Orlando.

Police say two men shot, beat 59-year-old Hugh Akins, a security guard with Excelsior Defense.

Akins was armed at the time of the attack, but police could not find his gun.

Right now investigators don't have a reason for the crime.

Carol Wallace, who was a witness to the attack said, "He never said why, just that they started beating him up and that they overpowered him and took his gun, and that he was shot."

Detectives searched nearby woods and put two schools on lockdown as K-9 dogs canvassed the area. The search turned up no sign of the two attackers.

[bigdog]

He's one of my fellow officers he works at the orlando branch. Ill pray for you brother.

[bigdog]

Update


Officer Adkins is expected to make a full recovery and return to active duty in a few weeks. The bullet struck him in the neck and exited his shoulder causing minimal damage. Im glad to hear hes gonna be ok.

[Lawson]

Good to hear. Thanks for the update.

[ycaso77]

Update


Officer Adkins is expected to make a full recovery and return to active duty in a few weeks. The bullet struck him in the neck and exited his shoulder causing minimal damage. Im glad to hear hes gonna be ok.

Hopefully he'll recover fully, any holes that you weren't born with are a bad thing. If its Florida its probably a .38 roundnose if they used his own weapon against him.

[bigdog]

actually it was a 9mm roundnose bullet. Last october florida law changed to allow security officers to cary nines.

[ycaso77]

actually it was a 9mm roundnose bullet. Last october florida law changed to allow security officers to cary nines.

9mm with jacketed only or do they allow other ammo types? Good to see they finally allow autos but if its round nose only its a high capacity .38 they're getting.

[bigdog]

any ammunition except

1)glaser or other type of prefragmented rounds

2)exploding bullets

3)teflon coated or other armor piercing rounds
4)full wadcutters
5) reloads

Hollow points are a security officers best friend:)

[Mr. Security]

....Witness: "..........they overpowered him and took his gun, and that he was shot."



Like I said, when you work armed, there's always at least one gun at the crime scene. Many police officers that ended up in a struggle with an unarmed subject feared being knocked unconscious and then shot with their own gun. It doesn't matter what kind of holster you have if you’re knocked out.

Now before all you armed officers jump on me, I'm NOT saying that armed security isn’t necessary. It's just riskier, IMO.

[Tennsix]

Like I said, when you work armed, there's always at least one gun at the crime scene. Many police officers that ended up in a struggle with an unarmed subject feared being knocked unconscious and then shot with their own gun. It doesn't matter what kind of holster you have if you’re knocked out.

Now before all you armed officers jump on me, I'm NOT saying that armed security isn’t necessary. It's just riskier, IMO.
Yes, there is an added threat element when one is armed. That is why training is essential. We frequently practice DT’s, handgun retention, use of force, etc. Sometimes, the training is unannounced. We sometimes get a call to report to station and discover it is for DT training.

[HotelSecurity]

Bank guards in Montreal used to be armed. They're not anymore. I'm told that one of the reasons was because when banks were held up the criminals would get away with money. If there was an armed guard they would usually get away with money AND the guard's gun!

[1stWatch]

Bank guards in Montreal used to be armed. They're not anymore. I'm told that one of the reasons was because when banks were held up the criminals would get away with money. If there was an armed guard they would usually get away with money AND the guard's gun!

Problems I see with bank security are normally with the amount of deployment, not with whether or not the lobby guard is armed. An arrangement that makes sense to me is to have a non-uniformed officer in the lobby itself, a camera system that is controlled from another room, and multiple armed officers in the parking lot. This would set up an effective response team during the case of an incident. If the b.g. can be apprehended, the armed guys can do it in the parking lot. If the situation can't be managed by the guards' response alone, such as that of a hostage situation, the camera operator should have a line open to 911 to advise about what is going on. Unfortunately, most banks I have seen don't pay enough attention to planning like that.

[N. A. Corbier]

But that would be a response plan, all they want is liability protection! :)

I remember the Wackenhut guys posted at SunTrust. They were usually in the parking lot. They carried one pair of cuffs, a .38 revolver, and no ammunition. They were definately visual intimidation only.

[HotelSecurity]

Your bank would go bankrupt! Guards are $12.50/hour in Montreal.

A good system I saw at a credit union had the unarmed security guard inside a bullet resistant booth. There was a bullet resistant porch at the entrance. The security guard had to buzz you in AND out. The only problem with this setup was if the crook took hostages.

[N. A. Corbier]

One of the best setups for banks is the Man Trap. Allow the person to rob the bank. Allow them to leave. Activate the Man Trap once he's in it. Do NOT open it, for any reason.

[1stWatch]

But that would be a response plan, all they want is liability protection! :)

I remember the Wackenhut guys posted at SunTrust. They were usually in the parking lot. They carried one pair of cuffs, a .38 revolver, and no ammunition. They were definately visual intimidation only.

It seems my state is a bit different. While the business community perceives security's value as a visual deterrant only, statutory law here defines security's duty as protecting life as well as property. I believe it is also an administrative violation to have an unloaded weapon. Bottom line, there is no real liability protection for a visual presence only. There is liability if the security officer does nothing in the face of an incident when some action is possible, even if that action is only to call 911. A good plan I can think of is the one Wackenhut has at the Bank of Americas.

[N. A. Corbier]

Heh. Florida law doesn't define the duty, only notes what security is. Granted, also, Texas considers security officers to be public servants.

[1stWatch]

Your bank would go bankrupt! Guards are $12.50/hour in Montreal.

A good system I saw at a credit union had the unarmed security guard inside a bullet resistant booth. There was a bullet resistant porch at the entrance. The security guard had to buzz you in AND out. The only problem with this setup was if the crook took hostages.

That is around what they get paid here as well. The hourly wage would not kill the bank's budget, believe me. The camera/alarm system I described would be quite a bit more expensive, however. I have seen a system similar to what you mentioned with access controlled doors and a series of man traps at a high security bank. The security there was not armed, but there was not an easy way to get a gun into the bank and absolutely no way I could perceive of sneaking into the bank. There were also five guards on duty at all times. There are different types of facilities, however, and an effective crime prevention system would be a bit different at each one. The problem is most of these places do not plan, hire, or equip sufficiently. "Security always costs too much until it is not enough."

[GCMC Security]

. A good plan I can think of is the one Wackenhut has at the Bank of Americas.

I can tell you right now what Wackenhut's plan is at Bank of America: Non Interference, you attempt to stop the robbery and fail good bye, if your successful it will be Thank you and Good bye. Wackenhut Bank Officers are instructed to observe and report and nothing else.

[IB107]

in utah we too have "coded" law stating we are to protect life and property :P

[1stWatch]

I can tell you right now what Wackenhut's plan is at Bank of America: Non Interference, you attempt to stop the robbery and fail good bye, if your successful it will be Thank you and Good bye. Wackenhut Bank Officers are instructed to observe and report and nothing else.

Yes, but they have a good deployment plan at at least two of the banks here I can think of and a good emergency response plan that includes cell phone notification.

[1stWatch]

Heh. Florida law doesn't define the duty, only notes what security is. Granted, also, Texas considers security officers to be public servants.

They also consider utility workers, teachers, preachers, and just about anybody who works in a civilian fashion for the court to be public servants, but we are also just private citizens. Some of those in the security business with the "swelled head" syndrome have that condition aggravated by the term "public servant", if you get my meaning. What is significant to me is the statutory definition of duties. I wish everybody concerned, including the l.e. personnel here, would know about it. It becomes pretty apparent after dealing with 95% of them for 10 minutes they don't.

[N. A. Corbier]

Quote from a deputy sheriff:

"The state gives you a gun license? I thought being a security guard was like working at K-Mart. You just applied and they gave you a gun."

No concept of Chapter 493. Didn't question that I could carry a gun, just that the state bothered licensing a "security guard" to do so.

[1stWatch]

Well they're pretty well aware the state issues security gun licenses. In fact some of them take time out just to check on our pocket cards and run the serial number of the gun to make sure it isn't stolen and all that junk. What most are unaware of is the actual existence of the Private Security Act and its actual wording in regard to what our job is, what duties we are required to perform, and what duties we are not required to perform. As a matter of fact, I should say 90% of the security company managers are also unaware of what this says. That is pretty alarming to me, considering it regulates our entire position. Ignorance may be blissful, but it sure can get you in trouble.