Florida armed guard questions

[GuardGuy]

Hey there everyone. I've been lurking here for awhile, and I've read a lot of the threads and got a lot of info from them, but I still have a few questions that I'm trying to get answered.

In a couple of weeks I'll be taking the D & G license classes so that I can work as an armed guard in the state of Florida. I've worked armed security in the past elsewhere, so I'm not really new to the game, just to the regulations particular to Florida. Here are my questions.

What does the G License shooting qualification course consist of? Target size? Distances? Movement? I've logged a lot of trigger time on my own, but it'd make me rest a little easier if I knew what kind of course this was going to be.

Secondly, I've seen a few job postings that say they want people with something like a "full" G license, not the temp. one. What's the difference between the two?

Thirdly, do many of the companies in Florida where people work armed have ammunition policies? I've worked places in the past that require people to carry certain brands and types of ammo, and if this is commonly the case with Florida companies, I'd like to know in advance so I can start looking, since ammo is slightly difficult to come across nowadays. :D

If anyone has any other tips, info, or anything else let me know, I'm always learning something new,

Thanks for the help.

[mad_malk]

The difference between a temp G and a full g is just that one is a temp the other is the Lic as issued by the state. for legal purposes there is no difference except that the regular means your packet has been fully processed and approved by the state.

Some companies have ammunition polices and others don't. There are state administration guide lines for ammunition that you must follow as well.

[GuardGuy]

The difference between a temp G and a full g is just that one is a temp the other is the Lic as issued by the state. for legal purposes there is no difference except that the regular means your packet has been fully processed and approved by the state.

Some companies have ammunition polices and others don't. There are state administration guide lines for ammunition that you must follow as well.

Great! Thanks for the info.

What are the state administration guidelines for ammo? Factory ammo only? I'll be using a 9mm.

[Tsalla Apopka]

Factory ammo, no reloads or hot-loads, etc.
To get the temp, after passing the class, you have to get the company to sign a form so they are in fact vouching for you Before the formal process is done by the state. Not all will do it although some will do it with a pych exam if they really need the help.
Yes, you will use a 9mm or a 38 special - only choices right now but they are trying to get that fixed.

[mad_malk]

Factory ammo, no reloads or hot-loads, etc.
To get the temp, after passing the class, you have to get the company to sign a form so they are in fact vouching for you Before the formal process is done by the state. Not all will do it although some will do it with a pych exam if they really need the help.
Yes, you will use a 9mm or a 38 special - only choices right now but they are trying to get that fixed.

the psyc is actually mandated by the state for a temp to be issued. It is NOT optional for a temp.

[Tsalla Apopka]

Yes, you're right the exam is required, I should have said because of the exam some companies will take the chance. But, it is still a "liability" issue and some companies don't need or want anymore liability.

[semyazza]

To throw my $.20 in(inflation):
When I applied for my temporary G license,within the last year, I also had to take a Psych exam. The department of agriculture did not want a copy of the exam and my company did not even care to look at it. The agency administering the exam signs you have taken it and the hiring company signs your "certification of character".

I also had a hard time finding someone to sponsor me for my temporary G. What seemed to work was paying for the psych exam myself and notifying companies that I had it completed already.

[gcmc security part 2]

There is no state law regulating ammo except that you have to utilize .38 ammo in a .357. Companies usually regulate that but the state doesn't.

[mad_malk]

There is no state law regulating ammo except that you have to utilize .38 ammo in a .357. Companies usually regulate that but the state doesn't.

Rite and wrong. there is no state law but there is administrative oversite controlling ammunition as issued by the DoACS https://www.flrules.org/gateway/RuleNo.asp?ID=5N-1.129

enjoy

[GuardGuy]

Factory ammo, no reloads or hot-loads, etc.

Does this mean any commercially available new ammo (not reloads), or just "factory ammo" from the major companies (Winchester, Remington, etc.)? You say no "hot" loads, does this mean no +p or +p+?


To get the temp, after passing the class, you have to get the company to sign a form so they are in fact vouching for you Before the formal process is done by the state. Not all will do it although some will do it with a pych exam if they really need the help.

OK, I don't quite understand all of this that you're saying here. A few more questions.

How long does it take for the state to process a D or G License application? Weeks? Months? Years?

How does the process work after you apply for the licenses? If I'm understanding this correctly, you apply for the G license, and while waiting, a company can sign off on a temp. license so you can work before the processed license comes back from the state. Am I right or wrong here?

Is the license like a Concealed Weapon or Firearm License where one simply applies to the state, gets it and has it, or are the D and G licenses something that each employer has to endorse before it can be "activated"?

Am I making sense? I'm trying to get this all sorted out in my head so that I know what to expect.

[GuardGuy]

What does the G License shooting qualification course consist of? Target size? Distances? Movement? I've logged a lot of trigger time on my own, but it'd make me rest a little easier if I knew what kind of course this was going to be.

Any info on the above? Has anyone here recently gotten their G license? What's the course like?

[Security_Instructor]

48 rounds - 240 possible points. 168 needed to qualify.


1-3 yards Smooth draw to one hand hip shooting position. Fire 2 rounds in 4 seconds. Stay on target. Upon command, holster weaon (Repeat 2 x ) (left Target)

3 yards Assume 2 hand low ready position. Upon command, assume 2 hand high-point osition and fire 2 rounds in 2 seconds. Stay on target. On comman, return to low ready poisition. (one tartet - right)

7 yards Smooth draw to 2 hand high-point position. Fire 2 rounds in 5 seconds. Stay on target. On command, holster weapon. (Repeat 2 x)

7 yards Smooth draw to 2 hand high-point position. fire 1 round on the right target and 1 round on the left target in 6 seconds. Stay on target. On command, holster weapon (Repeat 2x)

7 yards Assume a low ready position. On command, assume 2 hand high-point position. Fire 3 rounds on the left target in 6 seconds. On command, return to low ready. Repeat on right target.

15 yards On command, move to cover, smooth draw to 2 hand hight-point and fire 3 rounds in the left target, 3 rounds in the right target in 45 seconds Reload

25 yards On command , move to cover, smooth draw to 2 hand high-pint position and fire 3 rounds to left target and 3 rounds to right target in 20 seconds.

[Tsalla Apopka]

The course is not that hard IF you're well schooled with your weapon. I had a new, to me, PT-92 and had not shot the course since 2002 and got a 236 out of a possible 240 including a jam and frankly I'm OK but not great with a handgun.
I will give credit where credit is due though in that the instructor at S2 gave a few tips before the shoot for score that helped me a lot.
RE: the timing issue - after you have ALL of the required paperwork, including the range qualifications, you can either mail it all in and wait for months(2 to 4 last year) or you can go to the local office and turn it in for faster response, but not much. The best is to have the signed form from a company with all the other stuff and you can get a TEMP License at the local office and work for that company right then. The perm will come in sometime later.

[semyazza]

Does this mean any commercially available new ammo (not reloads), or just "factory ammo" from the major companies (Winchester, Remington, etc.)? You say no "hot" loads, does this mean no +p or +p+?



OK, I don't quite understand all of this that you're saying here. A few more questions.

How long does it take for the state to process a D or G License application? Weeks? Months? Years?

How does the process work after you apply for the licenses? If I'm understanding this correctly, you apply for the G license, and while waiting, a company can sign off on a temp. license so you can work before the processed license comes back from the state. Am I right or wrong here?

Is the license like a Concealed Weapon or Firearm License where one simply applies to the state, gets it and has it, or are the D and G licenses something that each employer has to endorse before it can be "activated"?

Am I making sense? I'm trying to get this all sorted out in my head so that I know what to expect.

The state takes FOREVER to process your application. In my case I received my Temporary "G" license 3 days after submitting my paperwork (in person at the Jacksonville Office). My full license wasn't issued until 5 months later and was physically received 3 weeks after that. When it arrived it had all the wrong information on it and only my name and picture was correct but, that's another story all together. The "D" license acknoledgement or "blue card" allows you to work immediately (unarmed unless you have a G) and also took about 6 months to physically receive.

The "D" license requires no employer endorsement for a blue card. The temporary "G" requires the certification of a psych exam, a character certification and employment by the agency. The full "G" does not require employment to receive.

Also, if you have any type of firearm proficiency do not worry about getting a passing score on the qualification at all, as the targets are HUGE and the distance is super close, almost a joke IMHO.

[semyazza]

The course is not that hard IF you're well schooled with your weapon. I had a new, to me, PT-92 and had not shot the course since 2002 and got a 236 out of a possible 240 including a jam and frankly I'm OK but not great with a handgun.
I will give credit where credit is due though in that the instructor at S2 gave a few tips before the shoot for score that helped me a lot.
later.

I LOVED the S2 Institute. My instructor, Jay Pace, was also great and I highly recommend them! Also, not to derail the thread, if anyone knows any information on when S2 is finally going to offer the Private Investigation Intern course PM me.

[timorourkecps]

Good Morning-

It seems everyone has answered the original question about the Class G - so I will address the only thing left and that is the Florida PI -Intern Program that will go live at the end of the month. If you are registered with the S2 site you will receive an e-mail notice that the program is live.


The new 40-hour Intern PI Program will be online and presented via the Internet through the S2 Institute's distance learning system. In addition to the licensed DOE program aimed at Florida intern private investigators, a second private investigator program well be offered as well. This will be available as a whole program or in stand alone blocks of training for those seeking CEU's or just personal knowledge on surveillance, conducting background checks, etc.

The DOE approved program will consist of two parts in compliance with State law under Chapter 493. Students must complete an initial 24 hours of training at which point they can apply for their CC license. Within the first six months of doing so they will have to complete an additional 16 hours to satisfy the State requirements. Some students will opt to take the full 40 hours prior to submitting their application to the State.

Instructors: Rory McMahon, Ron Azzarello, Craig Gundry and Tim O'Rourke

If you wish to experience a brief S2 Institute online demo- : http://www.s2institute.com/demo/demowrapper.php

In the full program you have access to course and reference material not seen in the demo. Upon completion of the program you may challenge the test and once that is
completed- your scores and a certificate are available in your private My Accounts page.

I hope that answers the questions.

Stay Safe

[semyazza]

Thank you for the information! I've been waiting on S2's Intern program for a couple of months now. I don't want to go to another school as I believe S2 offers the best value.