better job than police?

[mallpopo]

You ever feel you do a better job than the police??? I work p/t as a Security Enforcement Officer at a housing complex that is patrolled by both the city pd and the university pd. I feel I could handle half the stuff they deal with better than they can. They have actuallt told me to go away on a few occassions. I think they are just jealous cause I can wear BDU pants and they cant ..lol. I dont think the on-site management agrees with a lot of what they do either. One day they're gonna need me and I'll be to busy

[N. A. Corbier]

You ever feel you do a better job than the police??? I work p/t as a Security Enforcement Officer at a housing complex that is patrolled by both the city pd and the university pd. I feel I could handle half the stuff they deal with better than they can. They have actuallt told me to go away on a few occassions. I think they are just jealous cause I can wear BDU pants and they cant ..lol. I dont think the on-site management agrees with a lot of what they do either. One day they're gonna need me and I'll be to busy

What is your job function at this housing complex? Specifically.

[mallpopo]

protect property, identify hazards and throw out unwanted guests

[N. A. Corbier]

So, what are they dealing with that you feel you could do it better?

[mallpopo]

everything they do I can do better

[The_Mayor]

Agreed. I can do anything better than the police.
I dont have any comradery with them either. A while back I got pulled over. The officer approcahed my car and saw that I was in full Security Officer uniform. I asked for proffessional courtesy and he wrote me a ticket for not having my DL on me (my fault).....but still no professional courtesy :mad: The ticket was in the amount of $15.

Couple of months later.....

I see a car parked head out in my lot. I whip out the book issue a citation, put it on the windshield. As I am walking off the owner of the vehicle approaches me (with attitude) and asks me to "discard" the cite. I tell him that I dont write cites then change my mind. He whips out his badge (he is a cop) then says in a more demanding tone (with more attitude)...that I should pull the cite. The ticket was in the amount of $20.

His ego was suuuuucchhh a turn off.

I told him you have been cited for being in violation of parking regs. He then starts telling me about how he is an officer and...blah....blah..blah. Finally I just say "Sir, do not confuse your rank with my authority!" :p

And I left. you dont be proffessional with me........well thats what you get... cop or not. :rolleyes:

[N. A. Corbier]

Agreed. I can do anything better than the police.
I dont have any comradery with them either. A while back I got pulled over. The officer approcahed my car and saw that I was in full Security Officer uniform. I asked for proffessional courtesy and he wrote me a ticket for not having my DL on me (my fault).....but still no professional courtesy :mad: The ticket was in the amount of $15.

Couple of months later.....

I see a car parked head out in my lot. I whip out the book issue a citation, put it on the windshield. As I am walking off the owner of the vehicle approaches me (with attitude) and asks me to "discard" the cite. I tell him that I dont write cites then change my mind. He whips out his badge (he is a cop) then says in a more demanding tone (with more attitude)...that I should pull the cite. The ticket was in the amount of $20.

His ego was suuuuucchhh a turn off.

I told him you have been cited for being in violation of parking regs. He then starts telling me about how he is an officer and...blah....blah..blah. Finally I just say "Sir, do not confuse your rank with my authority!" :p

And I left. you dont be proffessional with me........well thats what you get... cop or not. :rolleyes:


Next time you get a cop that gives you that much attitude, if your in union territory, get his name and badge number, and then WRITE his FOP rep. They'll deal with it, it makes the department and the Order look bad in front of civilians. If not, call the watch supervisor.

[The_Mayor]

I've done that too! If you look hard you can find a good cop here and there. The cops in both my cities dont enforce the loitering laws in my shopping centers! Get this-

A highscool kid was bumping his stereo loud as all hell in his SUV. A cop who was already in the parking lot hears it. Doesn't do anything. A business owner asked him to do something about it. The cop walked up to the kid and then starts walking back. The music is still blasting. The cop says to the business owner "Look Ma'am that young man is deaf in one ear." :rolleyes:
Can you say "push over" ?

If I want something done I do it MYSELF. I dont rely on our civil servants to help.

Sorry to go of on that tangent. But I did have an interaction that was less than stellar with an on duty cop while I was on shift. Rather than arguing with him... I let him know that I would send a detailed letter to his WC documenting his behaviour. The WC called me 4 days later to talk about the officer who disgraced his department. The WC informed me that the cop had been verbally reprimanded and told me to call him personally for any matters in the future.

PDs LOOOooove it when you inform them of there dirty players...the sooner its brought to their attention.....the less embarrassment they face.

[The_Mayor]

Of course they don't, it's private property. Why should they do your job for you.

The cops dont patrol because they are derelict in their duties. They are, however, supposed to enforce laws (on private property) such as 602.1 of the CA Penal Code, as well as 2 municipal stautues prohibiting loitering.

Any more questions jack a**? :rolleyes:

[The_Mayor]

Anyway, what would make you even think about asking for professional courtesy? You're a security guard for a private company, right? I could see if you were another cop, maybe a firefighter, EMT, nurse or doctor (even those are a stretch in some areas), but a SECURITY GUARD? You've got to be kidding me.

I was professional with the officer. At his discretion he chose not to give courtesy. That is fine.

I issued a citation and was given attitude by the subject. I may have given courtesy had he requested and not demanded. Requests may be granted.....demands always denied. :D

Keep in mind theres a flip side to your coin.....us Security Officers do not have to extend courtesy to cops..either. :eek:

No kidding!! :eek:

[N. A. Corbier]

I was professional with the officer. At his discretion he chose not to give courtesy. That is fine.

I issued a citation and was given attitude by the subject. I may have given courtesy had he requested and not demanded. Requests may be granted.....demands always denied. :D

Keep in mind theres a flip side to your coin.....us Security Officers do not have to extend courtesy to cops..either. :eek:

No kidding!! :eek:

What type of citation was this? Issued under what authority, and to whom does the violator have to pay? If its a city ticket, the cop should know better, its like screwing with a parking control officer. All it gets you is more tickets.

[The_Mayor]

Here's 602.1:

It's your responsibility to tell the person to leave, not the police's.

Yes, thats right very good research there..junior :D
BUT, its the business owners job to tell them to leave, or a designe (me). If they dont well how about a control hold? You wanna be my dummy?

[The_Mayor]

You ask for a break, but you get professional courtesy.


I wasn't given professional courtesy. Read the post again..you can do it youngster :D

[The_Mayor]

What type of citation was this? Issued under what authority, and to whom does the violator have to pay? If its a city ticket, the cop should know better, its like screwing with a parking control officer. All it gets you is more tickets.

Agreed, he should have known better. Where do they find these mutts?

[CAR54]

Everyone here is probably underpaid considering their responsibilities. There's really not that big a difference between $9 and hour and $12 or $14 if your trying to buy a house or support a family.

[N. A. Corbier]

Everyone here is probably underpaid considering their responsibilities. There's really not that big a difference between $9 and hour and $12 or $14 if your trying to buy a house or support a family.

USA Today, DHS, and alot of people agree with you. Unfournately, the people who count (The clients, and the companies), do not.

Be nice if that changed, especially before someone in Congress gets the idea of trying to artificially inflate the wages through regulation and training, and we find its impossible to pay for a college education to continue to be a security officer.

[The_Mayor]

You just restated what I already said.

You just restated what I had restated. :D

[The_Mayor]

Youngster? I consider that a compliment actually, considering someone that's older than me is still wasting his life working mall security. What are you making? $9/hr.?


Nice try....more than that....wasting my life??

Hey, your the looser who trolls security and officer forums....get a life yourself!! :rolleyes:

[Bill Warnock]

Gentlemen:
Let us try to keep these posts at the professional level. That is the intent of this site. Sniping at one another is a childish trait.
Enjoy the day,
Bill

[Watchdog]

Unless it involved some lazy-ass, loser of a police officer or at a place that a security officer was very familiar with and was new to the police officer, I cannot see with the greater power, training, equipment and information a police officer has over most security officers that a security officer could do a better job than the police.

The police officers that I come across in the course of doing my security job I have now have been very helpful and curtious and don't do anything to make themselves feel better than me or other security officers I work with.

[N. A. Corbier]

Unless it involved some lazy-ass, loser of a police officer or at a place that a security officer was very familiar with and was new to the police officer, I cannot see with the greater power, training, equipment and information a police officer has over most security officers that a security officer could do a better job than the police.

The police officers that I come across in the course of doing my security job I have now have been very helpful and curtious and don't do anything to make themselves feel better than me or other security officers I work with.

Fundamentally, it depends on the job. I waited to touch on this till the war was over. :)

If its a law enforcement function, than the police officer probally can do the job better - even if they need the security officer's knowledge and human intelligence to be able to effect the enforcement action. After all, even if we arrest someone, we have to turn them over to the police. :)

But, if its not an enforcement function, then the security officer may be the better person to deal with the event. Police officers will defer to security in residential housing when its a petty noise complaint - knowing that the officer can only write a ordinance citation, where the security officer may be able to have the persons evicted through management.

Another function is "community policing," because the security officer has a very small "beat" and is able to work with citizens in the area of the client property, to promote such things as neighborhood watch, etc.

But, these are things that go beyond "observation and reporting of problems to the company," and require a concerted effort between client management, security management, and officers on the scene. Having seen a neighborhood watch program being "not effective" under community policing, then picked up and augmented by the local security company, to the point the police wanted in on what the company was doing with the residents - providing a cell phone for security that the residents could call, officers working with residents to identify and neutralize problems on and off property that affected them, etc. Residents didn't want to tell the police because the police "didn't do anything with it," but they would tell security because the security officers were always there, and felt to be more responsive.

[Bill Warnock]

Private sector security, like public law enforcement, is a shared craft. Neither can successfully exist without cooperation from those served. Those we serve, in either craft, have information that is vital to the success of the mission. We must create an atmosphere whereby those people can?t wait to tell us something out of the order. We for our part must make the provider of information feel he or she has just performed a wonderful service. When we in the private security do not do our utmost to cooperate with the public sector, we suffer and cut off our noses to spite our faces. That is a two-way street. Nevertheless ,it is wrong of us to withhold information that is beneficial to the public sector. If a person having knowledge of the actual commission of a federal felony conceals and does not report it as soon as possible that person faces prosecution for the violation of 18 USC Section 4, Misprision of a Felony. Some states have facilitation statutes, i.e., having knowledge of or encouraging. Sure we may run in to a public sector official who has an attitude, but don?t we all at some time or another. Get over it and move on. Just because a LEO shows a lack of professionalism does not mean we should loose ours. We have heard from childhood of two mules tied together, each trying to pull the other to a bale of hay, realizing the futility of it all, they join forces and eat both bales.
Enjoy the day,
Bill

[The_Mayor]

Just because a LEO shows a lack of professionalism does not mean we should loose ours.
Bill

Agreed, I dont lower myself to their level...I wont argue with them...but I will ensure that they face the consequences of their behaviour....as anyone else who sets foot on the property that I secure.

I will also extend courtesty to an leo if there is no attitude. :)

[Commissionaire]

You ever feel you do a better job than the police???

No; I never compare my job to that of the police and in my experience, those in the security industry that do, get little co-operation or respect from the police.

I remember the days when there was no such thing as a Security Guard/Officer, they were called Night Watchmen and were usually 60 year old retired Cops or Military and they got more respect from the Police than some of the pumped up, bearded, head shaven individuals that ponce around the shopping centres today.

They also didn't work for some 'fly by night' security company, and as Security Guards, they were actually employed by the company that they were guarding and if they worked for a large multi national company, they enjoyed the benefits that the other employees were entitled to.

Actually I don't like working shopping centres, I prefer static guard and patrol duty on industrial plants. :)

[N. A. Corbier]

To be honest, shopping centers bored me. :) Residential is the "hot" place, unless you get into specialized.

[Tennsix]

Agreed. I can do anything better than the police.
I dont have any comradery with them either. A while back I got pulled over. The officer approcahed my car and saw that I was in full Security Officer uniform. I asked for proffessional courtesy and he wrote me a ticket for not having my DL on me (my fault).....but still no professional courtesy :mad: The ticket was in the amount of $15.

Couple of months later.....

I see a car parked head out in my lot. I whip out the book issue a citation, put it on the windshield. As I am walking off the owner of the vehicle approaches me (with attitude) and asks me to "discard" the cite. I tell him that I dont write cites then change my mind. He whips out his badge (he is a cop) then says in a more demanding tone (with more attitude)...that I should pull the cite. The ticket was in the amount of $20.

His ego was suuuuucchhh a turn off.

I told him you have been cited for being in violation of parking regs. He then starts telling me about how he is an officer and...blah....blah..blah. Finally I just say "Sir, do not confuse your rank with my authority!" :p

And I left. you dont be proffessional with me........well thats what you get... cop or not. :rolleyes:

I have been a police officer for 18 years. I have never badged my way out of a traffic ticket. Moreover, I know cops that have been ticketed and never pulled a badge and never mentioned they were cops.

[N. A. Corbier]

I have been a police officer for 18 years. I have never badged my way out of a traffic ticket. Moreover, I know cops that have been ticketed and never pulled a badge and never mentioned they were cops.

Welcome to SIW. Hopefully, you lost Brodie on the way here. :) While, you, personally have never asked for professional courtesy, there are quite a few police officers who expect it from each other, and demand it from non-LEOs who can cite.

As I said before, maybe its these people that the security company needs to write a nice letter to their local FOP lodge, and kindly ask the FOP to ensure this individual dosen't rock the boat. If worded right, the FOP rep is alot worse than reporting it through the LE agency chain of command, because it shows that the security company knows how to play the game, and get results.

I've had professional courtesy given to me, by state and local LE, but in connection with what I was doing. 15 over trying to get a site to check up on an officer who failed to respond to the status check on the radio, etc. Both I and others I know have told officers pulling us over, "Could you give me the ticket at the site? I need to get there to find out if my officer is alive, dead, or what. In fact, I'd appreciate it if you came with me."

[Tennsix]

Of the times I have pulled over SEO?s, I did give most of them special consideration. However, they did not demand it and they were tactful.

I did ticket a reserve cop once. He had a $hitty attitude and stuck a badge in my face as soon as I approached the car. He didn?t even roll down his window.

Do you think a signicant percentage of SEO?s are resentful toward LEO?s?

[N. A. Corbier]

Of the times I have pulled over SEO?s, I did give most of them special consideration. However, they did not demand it and they were tactful.

I did ticket a reserve cop once. He had a $hitty attitude and stuck a badge in my face as soon as I approached the car. He didn?t even roll down his window.

Do you think a signicant percentage of SEO?s are resentful toward LEO?s?

From my personal experience, there is a significant percentage of Security Officers who are resentful of other Security Officers (Ones who try to act professional), LEOs (For various reasons), and Management (The people who make them work.)

Like anything else, there are several demographics in the category of who a security officer is. You have professional companies who strive not to hire the idiots, you have warm body companies who practice liability management through lying, and you have security officers who are either to apathetic to care - or worse - swear to God they're a Special LEO who can kill at the drop of a hat, etc.

Then you have the professional who knows his job is related to law enforcement, but distinctly different. Only in one area do the two converge, and that is the prevention of crime and protection of the public. Police protect society's rights, security officers protect their client's (and the client's visitors, residents, employees, and even that cat on the site's) rights.

I'd say that the idiot SEO resents the police because they're up on charges for this or that, and their company hasn't found out - or there's no background run in their state. I'd say that the Super Trooper resents the police because his badge reads differently than what he wants it to read. And sometimes, the professional resents the individual police officer who may be better suited for the first two categories of security officer than police officer.

You, I have a feeling we'd get along fine at work. :)

[Tennsix]

That was good reading. I appreciate your insight.

[N. A. Corbier]

That was good reading. I appreciate your insight.
Thank you. There are some people on officer.com that I just skim what they're saying - they're typing words that don't make sense or make the wrong kind of sense, but what I read from you, and some others on there, I pay attention to.

[EMTGuard]

My dad was a cop for 20 years. I grew up listening to the police scaner to keep up with him while he was working. After the Army I got on as an Axuillary with the local PD before getting my job with the State Department of Corrections. Dad retired and I still listen to scanners and from everything I've heard and seen I can honestly say,
There is NO WAY IN H*** I'D WANT TO BE A POLICE OFFICER.
The stuff they have to deal with on a daily/nightly basis is mindnumbing. Not the car chases or other 'exciting' stuff. The drunks, loud neighbors and dealing with others personal problems. Dealing with nuts, mental midgets and the bottom of the gene pool every hour of every shift would be too much for me. I had a friend who was giving up his job as a Deputy Sheriff. "I just can't deal with the stupid people anymore," he told me. I completely understand. It wouldn't take long before I got to the point where I'd just be responding to calls by getting out to my car, walking up to the partys involved and slapping them in the face and informing them "You are stupid" then driving away.
The Police can have their job. I have it much better where I am thank you very much.

[N. A. Corbier]

My dad was a cop for 20 years. I grew up listening to the police scaner to keep up with him while he was working. After the Army I got on as an Axuillary with the local PD before getting my job with the State Department of Corrections. Dad retired and I still listen to scanners and from everything I've heard and seen I can honestly say,
There is NO WAY IN H*** I'D WANT TO BE A POLICE OFFICER.
The stuff they have to deal with on a daily/nightly basis is mindnumbing. Not the car chases or other 'exciting' stuff. The drunks, loud neighbors and dealing with others personal problems. Dealing with nuts, mental midgets and the bottom of the gene pool every hour of every shift would be too much for me. I had a friend who was giving up his job as a Deputy Sheriff. "I just can't deal with the stupid people anymore," he told me. I completely understand. It wouldn't take long before I got to the point where I'd just be responding to calls by getting out to my car, walking up to the partys involved and slapping them in the face and informing them "You are stupid" then driving away.
The Police can have their job. I have it much better where I am thank you very much.

You should try residential security, or "high risk" residential security. The police, for fleeting moments, don't deal with the same idiots unless they're stuck on sector work. The residential security officer is stuck on that property, usually 8 to 12 hours, and have to deal with the stupids 24/7. I've had many a police officer tell me, "You know, I don't know how you can do this. I get to leave, at least. Your stuck here for 12 hours. With... them."

You survive, and propser, of course, by involving the residents in the protection of their quality of life, and their safety. When they see your out there trying to DO something, they have a bit more respect for you than the last guard company, or the off duty cops, who just sat in the car and ate Taco Bell, only responding to calls with a minimum of caring.

[Zebra One]

I think they are just jealous cause I can wear BDU pants and they cant ..lol.
Wow, the police are actually jealous of you because you can wear BDU's?

[Zebra One]

Agreed. I can do anything better than the police.

Looks like I came to the right place to learn.

So, I am working security in a nursing home when I am notified of the death of a patient.

I arrive at the scene and find the decedent is displaying signs of petechiae and indicators of subdermal hemorrhage, as opposed to post mortem lividity, in the thorax area, do I call you or the local police to investigate? :confused:

[Zebra One]

If I want something done I do it MYSELF. I dont rely on our civil servants to help.
I wish I could work with you. We don't need the cops for anything, right?

I just hate it when we have to call the cops in to handle a big fight, sexual assault, stabbing or shooting.

We should just be able to cuff them all up ourselves and take them to straight to booking.

[Zebra One]

PDs LOOOooove it when you inform them of there dirty players...the sooner its brought to their attention.....the less embarrassment they face.
So, you relish in complaining about the police, but also want professional courtesy when you are in violation of motor vehicle statutes?

That's pretty cool, I guess. :confused:

But, do you ever worry about them harassing you because they all know you are a rat?

[Zebra One]

Agreed, I dont lower myself to their level...I wont argue with them...but I will ensure that they face the consequences of their behaviour....
No, Mayor, you have already displayed a predisposition to argue, demean and generally posture yourself from a condescending perch.

I have perused through this forum and found there are a few extremely intelligent and well balanced Security Officers/Officials based upon their comments.

They may not admit it publicly, but I am sure they have been professionally embarrassed by some of your antics.

In fact, it is personnel in the private security sector, of your demeanor, that give the true professionals a bad rap with the certified peace officers.

Mayor, let me give you a little heads up.

I can, with all assuredness, proclaim to all who read this.........YOU CANNOT DO THE JOB OF A POLICE OFFICER!

Please stop embarrassing your peers and climb off that high horse before you fall and hurt yourself.

To the other professional security personnel in this forum; Thank you for your dedicated service. Your line of work is specialized and appreciated.

It takes different personalities and talents to perform the functions inherent to on-site security as opposed to active law enforcement responsibilities.

This Mayor character displays all the traits of a wanna-be police officer who could not meet minimum standards for employment with a law enforcement agency and now despises all those who have the job Mayor so desperately wanted.

[davis002]

Everyone here is probably underpaid considering their responsibilities. There's really not that big a difference between $9 and hour and $12 or $14 if your trying to buy a house or support a family.

Our company starts our officers at between $15-$18 p/hr. We firmly believe that you get what you pay for.

When you start getting into investigations or executive protection, you are looking at $23-$28 p/hr.

[The_Mayor]

No, Mayor, you have already displayed a predisposition to argue, demean and generally posture yourself from a condescending perch.


Ironically, you have gesticulated in my general direction (three posts in a row).



I have perused through this forum and found there are a few extremely intelligent and well balanced Security Officers/Officials based upon their comments.

In my exegesis of your text it strikes me that though you've had an illustrious and distinguished multi-decade career as a law enforcement professional, your theoretical approach while having some merits, is fundamentally naive. You erroneously equate your alleged LE experience to Security expertise.



They may not admit it publicly, but I am sure they have been professionally embarrassed by some of your antics.

Thank you for sharing your assumptions.



Mayor, let me give you a little heads up.

I have been in this career field for over thirty years. I have served as a patrol officer, detective in general investigations, detective in the special enforcement unit, an undercover narcotics detective, patrol sergeant, detective sergeant and administrative sergeant. This is all while doing twenty years with a city before honorably retiring.

I then went to the Department of Corrections as a state sworn peace officer in the Criminal Investigations Unit.

I later transferred to the Sheriff's Office where I worked patrol as a field deputy, then to CIB as homicide detective, promoted to homicide unit supervisor and have recently been appointed to the Professional Standards Unit.

I can, with all assuredness, proclaim to all who read this.........YOU CANNOT DO THE JOB OF A POLICE OFFICER!

Okay..so what is the "heads up"?



This Mayor character displays all the traits of a wanna-be police officer who could not meet minimum standards for employment with a law enforcement agency and now despises all those who have the job Mayor so desperately wanted.

Another flawed assumption. Flatter yourself all you want by thinking that I would want your job...LOL.

[Tennsix]

Agreed, I dont lower myself to their level...I wont argue with them...but I will ensure that they face the consequences of their behaviour....as anyone else who sets foot on the property that I secure.

I will also extend courtesty to an leo if there is no attitude. :)
Your Honor,

I take great pride in being a law enforcement officer and I take offense to your statement. You imply that LEO?s are slothful creatures that have no regard for professionalism. Furthermore, you arrogantly announce your ability to put someone in his/her place. You are guilty of the very attitude you condemn.

I am not trained to do your job therefore, I am not qualified. What makes you think you can do mine? How much police training do you have? How long have you been a security officer? What do your last few performance evaluations look like?

You are quick to snap at other SEO?s on here. Why is that? My experiences (personal and professional) have taught me when a person has to demean others; they are simply trying to convince themselves of something. What might that be?

As a field training officer and a police academy instructor, I am qualified to say your attitude sinks. You would not get past the first rotation of FTO. A reputable PD would drop you like a bad habit.

[The_Mayor]

Your Honor,

I take great pride in being a law enforcement officer and I take offense to your statement. You imply that LEO?s are slothful creatures that have no regard for professionalism. Furthermore, you arrogantly announce your ability to put someone in his/her place. You are guilty of the very attitude you condemn.

I am not trained to do your job therefore, I am not qualified. What makes you think you can do mine? How much police training do you have? How long have you been a security officer? What do your last few performance evaluations look like?

You are quick to snap at other SEO?s on here. Why is that? My experiences (personal and professional) have taught me when a person has to demean others; they are simply trying to convince themselves of something. What might that be?

As a field training officer and a police academy instructor, I am qualified to say your attitude sinks. You would not get past the first rotation of FTO. A reputable PD would drop you like a bad habit.

So what is your point?

[davis002]

So what is your point?

Obviously something you will never understand Mayor...

[The_Mayor]

Thanks for the help davis002 :)

[The_Mayor]

.........YOU CANNOT DO THE JOB OF A POLICE OFFICER!

Of course not, I would never do such a lousy job as you. ;)

[Tennsix]

Of course not, I would never do such a lousy job as you. ;)
You are right, there are days when this is a lousy job but I love it.

[davis002]

Thanks for the help davis002 :)

It want to make sure you understand this, but I am in no way helping you. Unfortunately, I agree with some of the statements about your attitude, conduct, and level of maturity. You lack respect for others, especially LEOs. You appear to have no concrete understanding of private security or law enforcement. Seeing that you work in a retail mall setting, I wouldn't expect you to. Many of the security officers that post on these forums are professionals and treat them as such. I haven't been able to read a single post by you on this forum that demonstrates any level of professionalism. It is my hope that after you have been in this field for a longer period of time you will understand what i'm saying, and why i'm saying it.

With that said, I am hoping that this subject can be dropped all together. Although, I am going to assume you need to post a "last word".

[Zebra One]

Of course not, I would never do such a lousy job as you. ;)
You sound just like a 7th grader. Got that bottom lip in pout mode?

Yep, your immaturity has shown through again.

Really no big surprise, is it, folks?

[Zebra One]

So what is your point?
Maybe if I type real slowly you may understand. Doubtful as it is, I will try.

He is saying that you will never make it as a police officer. You are not of the proper caliber. He said you can?t even get along with other Security Officers.

I will say it a prose you might understand.

You, youngster, would not even make it as a pimple on a mediocre cop's ass. :D

[N. A. Corbier]

Wow, the police are actually jealous of you because you can wear BDU's?
I am.

*buys some 5.11 pants*
Never mind.

[The__Mayor]

You, youngster, would not even make it as a pimple on a mediocre cop's ass. :D
Laugh and poke fun all you want....just look at this article I found.

WASHINGTON, DC?Pressed for additional troops to police the Iraqi general elections scheduled for January, the Pentagon announced Monday that it will dispatch 30,000 U.S. shopping-mall security guards to the troubled Sunni Triangle region.

"A force of security guards trained to protect retail stores across America will be deployed to the Persian Gulf region," said Maj. Peter Archibald, a spokesman for Central Command. "Once in Iraq, security teams will fortify ground forces and assist them in keeping the peace and quelling any horseplay."

According to Archibald, the Pentagon wanted to bolster forces in Iraq without further extending the tours of soldiers currently in the theater. The solution should offer the additional advantage, Archibald said, of potentially dispelling the public's rising concerns over a possible military draft.

"We found that mall security guards are as well-trained and ready to face danger as the coalition-trained military police," Archibald said. "They may not have the power of arrest, but real authority is only a walkie-talkie call away."

Hired by the Defense Department through a number of licensed, reputable firms, the security guards will work independent of the roughly 135,000 troops currently stationed in Iraq. The guards will receive an hourly wage from the U.S. government, and they will be eligible for health and dental benefits after six months.

A test deployment of 1,000 mall security guards to Najaf in September convinced skeptical coalition officials that private-sector security forces provide a palpable sense of order.

"Iraqi patrons of mall-guard-patrolled marketplaces?the Iraqi equivalent of our nation's food courts?reported that the guards' uniformed presence was unobtrusive or even reassuring," Archibald said. "While many Iraqis are intimidated by soldiers from the U.S., they were largely able to disregard the mall security forces."

Archibald said that casualty rates for the mall security guards were only slightly higher than those among Iraqi police forces.

Bobby Adcock, 27, of Bakersfield, CA, was rejected for military service in August 2002, due to poor eyesight and excessive weight. He was hired by A-Star Security shortly thereafter, and was surprised to find himself patrolling an Iraqi bazaar in a Ford Taurus two years later.

"The work is similar in a lot of ways," Adcock said, pausing mid-sentence to order a nearby Iraqi to pick up a candy wrapper and a blood-spattered keffiyeh. "I thought maybe I'd be dodging artillery fire and flushing insurgents out of hiding places, but mostly I stand around and keep my eyes peeled for trouble. Just the other day, we caught some vandals spray-painting 'Go home USA' on the side of a building. Then, there's the suspicious package sightings. Fortunately, a good number of those turn out to be false alarms."

"All in all, it's an okay assignment," Adcock said. "The food is strange, except for those lamb kebabs. Those aren't bad. The break room is just a shed out in back of a used-electronics store, but I don't want to complain. I'm getting a lot of overtime."

Dale London, 47, is employed by Five-Eagle Security, based in Ames, IA. A former Loews Cineplex security guard who spent three years as an airport metal-detector operator, London now patrols the streets of Najaf.

"I had to retrain my eye to spot the particular dangers over here in sand-land," London said. "Yesterday, this kid with a bulge down his shirtfront comes around the corner. When I ask him to undo his jacket, wouldn't you know, there's a grenade launcher. Well, I hustled his keister right behind the falafel stand and told him the next time I saw his face around here, I'd turn him over to the coalition. Then I called his mullah to come pick him up."

Added London: "I never figured out where he shoplifted the grenade launcher from, so I took it to our lost and found. If any Najaf shopkeepers out there are missing a grenade launcher, they should contact me, Dale London, at the Five-Eagle Security station. It's near the grocery where they sell that funny sesame candy."

While the security guards' power is limited by international law, they are authorized to alert coalition forces in the event of trouble. Last week, a Marine platoon was dispatched after Adcock noticed that a vehicle had been parked unattended in an abandoned lot for several hours.

"We inspected the car, but it contained no bomb or weapons," Marine Sgt. Michael Shahinian, 25, said. "Weird thing is, turns out the call came from this guy Bobby Adcock, who was two grades above me at Bakersfield High School. I guess he's a pop cop working here now. Holy ****. I wonder if he ever did pass that shop class we had together."

Rebecca Chatelain, a research associate at the Institute For Defense Analysis, expressed misgivings over the use of mall security guards in Iraq.

"The situation there is extremely volatile," Chatelain said. "The guards may provide a layer of security, but it's more psychological than actual. Any determined insurgent will soon discover how easy it is to overcome a lightly armed, out-of-shape mall cop. I'd hate to see a repeat of what happened in Somalia."

Chatelain was referring to a 1993 incident in which several dozen American prom chaperones were sent to Somalia along with U.N. peacekeeping troops. All were shot by factional guerrillas within hours of their arrival.

[N. A. Corbier]

That article is proof that the DoD will award private security contracts for anything that sounds interesting or plausable. I would of expected KBR or Blackwater to be doing the patrols, though.

Now, find me their death toll rates. They're a visible reminder of American occupation, and most likely IED targets.

Also, I wonder if they're unarmed or armed? I wonder if the Iraqi Insurgents care.

The rest of this thread... Hell no. I'm not touching it.

On another note...

Why are there two The_Mayor's now? We have The_Mayor, and The__Mayor, with two underscores.

This is not Fark, Something Awful, or Encyclopedia Dramatica. But damn is this amusing me.

[YouWishYou WereMe]

LMFAO you wannabes are really funny :D

If you can do a better job than me (yes I am a REAL police officer) then you should apply at the department in your area and show us how to do our job. But something tells me that you already tried and you cant be me. So you took a low paying security job :rolleyes:

[Zebra One]

LMFAO you wannabes are really funny :D

If you can do a better job than me (yes I am a REAL police officer) then you should apply at the department in your area and show us how to do our job. But something tells me that you already tried and you cant be me. So you took a low paying security job :rolleyes:
I'm happy to see you referred to the wanna-be's and not the professional S/O's.

This Mayor character is definitely a wanna-be. There are a couple of more in here, but they have not merited my scorn. ;)

[N. A. Corbier]

I'm happy to see you referred to the wanna-be's and not the professional S/O's.

This Mayor character is definitely a wanna-be. There are a couple of more in here, but they have not merited my scorn. ;)

The user account's value is debatable, at best. I do have to wonder who the comment was directed to, as there is a difference between reality and perception. The perception most police officers have of private security is that they're either trying to take their job, or they're useless gangbangers who need one.

Of course, as we all know, awhile back (way back), the only people who could be cops were stupid irishmen (the NYPD concept) who could only drink, shoot, and beat up people.

Took the police brotherhoods a long time to change that public perception. It'll take a long time (and ALOT better screening of employees, and alot of shutting down idiots) to kill the perception of security officers.

[Zebra One]

It'll take a long time (and ALOT better screening of employees, and alot of shutting down idiots) to kill the perception of security officers.
Well, you could start with one Mayor, I mean person, at a time. ;)

[N. A. Corbier]

Well, you could start with one Mayor, I mean person, at a time. ;)

We shall see what the powers that be have to say on this. :) We shall see. Being smaller than officer.com and firehouse.com, SIW's moderation staff seem to have less time to devote to the forum.

But, damn, do they spend time on covering stories.

[S/O245]

As far as not getting a ticket because you are a S/O ? I dont agree with that. If I was pulled over because i made a mistake say for speeding, I would take the ticket if thats what the LEO or the SO wants to do. If they dont want to write me thats fine to. The same goes for LEO's. Just bnecause you got a badge dont mean you are above anyone. That goes for S/O's and LEO's.

I get so tired of seeing this police are better than s/o's & s/o's are better than leos. dont both have a saying to protect people and property ? So we want the same things. I think we would all agree that both a security officer and law enforcement officers job can be stressfull can be dangerous at times and deadly. So lets not try to be better than the other. How about we realize that we work to protect people and property of the united states of america and of other places. Both are Public Safety. Without Public Safety (homeland security) we would not have a country.

Stay Safe All :)

[The_Mayor]

Well, you could start with one Mayor, I mean person, at a time. ;)

You say that someone who informs a PD of officer misconduct is a "rat".
You are unethical at best and you smell like a dirty cop. I'm sure your next response will be some 7th grade dis.

I guess asking for an intelligent response is too much from you. :D

[jmaccauley]

To the leo's who have recently arrived: By now, I'm sure you realize that The Mayor is doing everything he can (and successfully I might add) to antagonize you. Why he has been allowed to continue his childish banter is beyond me, but try to contain yourselves. His remarks may incite, but they certainly have no merit. The immaturity that has been displayed is part of the reason why we have so much difficulty in respecting and supporting each other in our chosen professions; be it security or law enforcement.

[N. A. Corbier]

To the leo's who have recently arrived: By now, I'm sure you realize that The Mayor is doing everything he can (and successfully I might add) to antagonize you. Why he has been allowed to continue his childish banter is beyond me, but try to contain yourselves. His remarks may incite, but they certainly have no merit. The immaturity that has been displayed is part of the reason why we have so much difficulty in respecting and supporting each other in our chosen professions; be it security or law enforcement.

Geoff seems to the be entire moderation team, and is also having to prepare stories not on the usual Lexis-Nexis feed, interview people for webcasts, etc.

As I've said before, SIW is the red-headed stepchild of Officer.com and Firehouse.com, which means that we're kinda, well, on our own till Geoff gets a minute to regulate. :)

[The_Mayor]

Geoff will probably see how I was minding my business and that I have only responded to quell the childish atmosphere as instigated by Zebra One and a few other bad apples.

[N. A. Corbier]

Geoff will probably see how I was minding my business and that I have only responded to quell the childish atmosphere as instigated by Zebra One and a few other bad apples.

We will see what Geoff says by his public and private comments. Till then, a plea to comport yourself, to everyone, in a proper and professional manner is again advised.

I think we need some more forum topics, definately, to deal with the current influx of users. :)

[SEOHopeful1]

Agreed. I can do anything better than the police.
I dont have any comradery with them either. A while back I got pulled over. The officer approcahed my car and saw that I was in full Security Officer uniform. I asked for proffessional courtesy and he wrote me a ticket for not having my DL on me (my fault).....but still no professional courtesy The ticket was in the amount of $15.

Yea thats F'd up he should have given you courtesy because you guys are in the same profession thats why its PROFESSIONAL COURTESY. Whats the point of it if hes gunna write Security ESPECIALLY IN UNIFORM.

You figure he pulled you over for something else and rather than writing you for speeding or rolling through a stop sign or whatever he stopped you for he gave you a 15 buck ticket? come on thats not even a break. I woulda called his supervisor and given him an asskickin!

[davis002]

Yea thats F'd up he should have given you courtesy because you guys are in the same profession thats why its PROFESSIONAL COURTESY. Whats the point of it if hes gunna write Security ESPECIALLY IN UNIFORM.

You figure he pulled you over for something else and rather than writing you for speeding or rolling through a stop sign or whatever he stopped you for he gave you a 15 buck ticket? come on thats not even a break. I woulda called his supervisor and given him an asskickin!

Because you are a Security Officer in uniform does not grant you any "professional courtesy" during a traffic stop. If you were speeding, rolling through a stop sign, changing lanes without signaling, etc. then you broke the law and get a ticket. Seeing that i'm a former LEO, if I had pulled someone over for speeding and they happen to be a uniformed security officer... I won't show them anymore courtesy that I would normally show any other private citizen. If the security officer starts running his mouth about "professional courtesy", then yes I will cite him for anything I can. There are alot of laws on the books, you just have to make them fit.

Moral of the story is, you should never expect professional courtesy from a police officer after you have violated a law. If you are given professional courtesy, simply thank the officer for his kindness.

[The_Mayor]

I have read your posts and I think that you are interested in this profession for the right reasons. A good attitude and a desire to help others..these are positive things to bring to the job.


Yea thats F'd up he should have given you courtesy because you guys are in the same profession thats why its PROFESSIONAL COURTESY. I woulda called his supervisor and given him an asskickin!

It is impotant to keep your cool in this profession. As you can see the public, criminals, and even some law enforcement officers try to antagonize us. If I got angry with that officer..then he would have won. He is the sort of individual that takes in a pleasure by causing inconvenience to others. I smiled and accepted the ticket.

I can tell that you are not like that rotten egg..and I am glad that you want this job for the right reasons. :)

[Tennsix]

I bet you think Hitler was a hell of a guy.

[SEOHopeful1]

Mayor

What did he pull you over for to begin with? Sounds like he only gave you the license ticket. Maybe he did end up giving you a break right? But he should have gone all the way and just let you go. One day he's gunna be getting whooped up on and wish he woulda extended courtesy because you could save his rear

[SEOHopeful1]

And being better than the police? Hell ya my buddy works unarmed and he says everytime he has a problem with skateboarders, loitering, or curfew violation the cops take 4ever. They claim they have more important things to worry about like drugs, accidents, sex assualts, and murders. But if they were smart they'd stop the problems while they were little then they wouldn't have big problems

[The_Mayor]

He made the stop because I had an equipement violation (tail light out). I was pleased that he cared enough to bring it to my attention.


And being better than the police? Hell ya my buddy works unarmed and he says everytime he has a problem with skateboarders, loitering, or curfew violation the cops take 4ever. They claim they have more important things to worry about like drugs, accidents, sex assualts, and murders. But if they were smart they'd stop the problems while they were little then they wouldn't have big problems

Doesn't surprise me.

Where I patrol, the police are busy doing speed enforcement 2 blocks down the road, rather than busting drug dealers who sell to children.

[Tennsix]

And being better than the police? Hell ya my buddy works unarmed and he says everytime he has a problem with skateboarders, loitering, or curfew violation the cops take 4ever. They claim they have more important things to worry about like drugs, accidents, sex assualts, and murders. But if they were smart they'd stop the problems while they were little then they wouldn't have big problems
We have ANOTHER troll running loose. Davis002, I told you not to leave that bag of Purina Troll Chow outside. Now look, we have critters.

[davis002]

He made the stop because I had an equipement violation (tail light out). I was pleased that he cared enough to bring it to my attention.



Doesn't surprise me.

Where I patrol, the police are busy doing speed enforcement 2 blocks down the road, rather than busting drug dealers who sell to children.

Let me guess, lazy San Rafeal Police right? Letting the neighborhood go to hell?

[davis002]

We have ANOTHER troll running loose. Davis002, I told you not to leave that bag of Purina Troll Chow outside. Now look, we have critters.

They can smell it from miles away, I can't stop them...

[The_Mayor]

We have ANOTHER troll running loose. Davis002, I told you not to leave that bag of Purina Troll Chow outside. Now look, we have critters.

Tennsix's definition of Troll: One who gives constructive criticism about the police.

A kid called me a "fuzzle ball" the other day too. :rolleyes:

[The_Mayor]

Let me guess, lazy San Rafeal Police right? Letting the neighborhood go to hell?

Marin County is a cake walk...keep guessing........

[davis002]

Marin County is a cake walk...keep guessing........

Well that only leaves Sonoma, Solano and Contra Costa Counties. I haven't heard many nice things about Solano County, I know that...

[SEOHopeful1]

Doesn't surprise me.

Where I patrol, the police are busy doing speed enforcement 2 blocks down the road, rather than busting drug dealers who sell to children.


Yea who cares about speeders? get the dealers out there! But then again if people are speeding into that area You have PC to stop them and then you can catch them with drugs especially out of town buyers and also it lets potential buyers know that the police are active in that area and may actually drive down business right? but the cops prolly dont think of that, they only think of bustin dem their brothers in security for not having a license on em


u should get the dealers urself and shoe thenm what a real officer can do

[Tennsix]

Yea who cares about speeders? get the dealers out there! But then again if people are speeding into that area You have PC to stop them and then you can catch them with drugs especially out of town buyers and also it lets potential buyers know that the police are active in that area and may actually drive down business right? but the cops prolly dont think of that, they only think of bustin dem their brothers in security for not having a license on em


u should get the dealers urself and shoe thenm what a real officer can do
Are you serious???

[SEOHopeful1]

u dont think that using traffic as pc to gain access to potential buyers and sellers is a good idea?

[davis002]

u dont think that using traffic as pc to gain access to potential buyers and sellers is a good idea?

Security Officers cannot arrest on probable cause (some states or cities might allow it, but not most). More importantly Security Officers do not do vehicle stops, except in rare occasions.

For Police Officers using traffic to arrest for narcotics buyers and sellers, then I would say yes. If the officer feels that narcotics might be involved and the car has expired plates, then I would execute a stop for the expired plates. While i'm conducting the stop, I will search the vehicle if I have enough evidence to do so.

Security Officers though, in general, cannot and do not conduct vehicle stops.

[N. A. Corbier]

We have ANOTHER troll running loose. Davis002, I told you not to leave that bag of Purina Troll Chow outside. Now look, we have critters.

What we probally have is a sworn officer from Officer.com being bored. Oh, well. :)

[N. A. Corbier]

Oh, for those keeping score, there is a good way, in most states, to get drug dealers where they matter - on your property. Do a stop to determine if they have a legal reason to be on the property.

If they refuse to cooperate, then you have reasonable belief they're trespassing, and can have PD remove them, or remove them yourself.

If they do not have reason to be on the property, then have PD write a trespass. The officers in the area will probally know the area is bad and a drug hole, and will listen to "check this guy."

When you have trespass paper on them, and they return (your interfering with their livelyhood, they'll return, be sure of it), you now have an arrest/detainment for breach of the peace (trespassing).

They get popped again, and again, and they eventually learn its not worth it. They move on. Lather, rinse, repeat.

[Tennsix]

u dont think that using traffic as pc to gain access to potential buyers and sellers is a good idea?
Oh... That is what you were trying to say. My bad.

[SEOHopeful1]

Oh... That is what you were trying to say. My bad.
sorry for not saying it better the first time.

no harm no foul.

anyway back on topic i'm hoping i can use this job as a learning expereince for become a police officer. whatever happens happens. thanks to everyone for putting up with my newbie questions

[Tennsix]

sorry for not saying it better the first time.

no harm no foul.

anyway back on topic i'm hoping i can use this job as a learning expereince for become a police officer. whatever happens happens. thanks to everyone for putting up with my newbie questions
Don?t fail to notice the importance of post secondary education

[Mr. Security]

The bottom line for this thread is this: LE and Security each have different and distinctive roles to perform. Security doesn't necessarily do a better job than LE and vice-versa. When our duties do overlap, we need to put aside our personal gripes, work together, and respect each others jurisdiction.

Being a cop does not mean that you are trained to handle fire panels, CCTV consoles, and have effective conflict resolution skills w/o resorting to force. Being a security officer does not automatically mean that you have the same powers of arrest, the same training, experience, and equipment for dealing effectively with extremely violent individuals.

We both have our job to do. One is not better than the other. Remember, it's all in the individual's perspective. For instance, the Fed's often look down on street cops for the same reasons some cops look down on security.

LE is not going away, and security isn't either. The sooner we stop with the 'my daddy is stronger than your daddy' child-like mentality, the sooner we can start working together peacefully. Some on both sides will never change their perspective. The rest of us need to move on.

[Tennsix]

Most of the feds I know (if not all) were street cops. I trained several of them.

[Mr. Security]

Most of the feds I know (if not all) were street cops. I trained several of them.

I'm glad that your experience has been positive with the feds. My point is that there is rivalry and strife between different LE agencies, whether it's a turf/jurisdiction issue or some other dispute. One has only to read the various posts on officer.com to see it with their own eyes. This 'we're better than you are' mentality is a significant factor in the poor relations between LE and security. As long as this proud and haughty attitude exists on the part of some in LE and security, there is going to be friction. If individuals on both sides are unwilling to change, then they are part of the problem instead of the solution.

[N. A. Corbier]

Tennsix, I think Mr. Security has a point. I've seen rivalries between a city and county LE agency, to the point that deputies and city officers were actively trying to run traffic against each other for every little violation, jurisdictions were challenged, and shouting matches occurred.

While I think that the Fed vs. Local thing is more myth than anything, at least in the times I've dealt with Treasury over counterfit bills, and FBI for suspicious packinging, the FBI and USTS behaved quite well with the city, and the city wasn't miffed that our protocol required we call the SAIC-WMD or SAIC-Counterfiting.