Metro Racine Safety Enforcement

[mallpopo]

Anyone heard of this company? Can you tell me anything about them? From the pics on their site they seem to have IT together!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[N. A. Corbier]

Anyone heard of this company? Can you tell me anything about them? From the pics on their site they seem to have IT together!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

I see red lights in front of that impala, that's not one of their cruisers, or they're suicidal. Only fire and LE are authorized red lights facing the front of a vehicle.

Other than that, here's another you might find interesting viewing:
http://www.cisworldservices.org/

[N. A. Corbier]

That's not entirely true. The college I work for equips their vehicles with red lights and siren. It's allowed under NYS Education Law. We're "public safety officers." It's a paperwork game.

I'll clarify, as I forgot to mention "In Wisconsin..."

Having contacted Racine Police Department, they advise me that you can run any color you want, on private property only. Turn those reds on a public street, and you get a ticket.

In Florida, you had best be a fireman/police/ambulance to have red on the front, in any fashion, anywhere. Blue is a felony. Green is a felony (EMS Supervisor).

I'm told in Missouri, by a police officer, that red can be run by God knows all sorts... Volly Fire, Doctors, EMS, Tow...

[N. A. Corbier]

As far as their uniforms... That's why I plan on spending money, to make sure people get actual uniforms that fit them, and aren't walking around with Uncle Mike's Retention Level 0 Sporting Holsters like that one guy is.

If anyone from Metro Racine reads this: Please - get better holsters. I do not want to read about an agency to the north of me having a successful gun grab.

[N. A. Corbier]

I wasn't talking about the uniforms if you catch my drift! :D

I do, but, you work with what you have, if you know what I mean... :) Then again, I do not compromise on uniform standards - including grooming.

[Arff312]

Wow that CIS department should just be a police department. Looks like a good place to work But damn they are basically officers. Running plastes and people damn. They must be like private police or something.

[N. A. Corbier]

Wow that CIS department should just be a police department. Looks like a good place to work But damn they are basically officers. Running plastes and people damn. They must be like private police or something.

ROTFL. In Florida, 29.95 a month to a company called FLPro will get you state-wide DMV access. What they don't tell people is that they can only run FLORIDA tags. :)

I worked for a competitor of CIS, and will be using alot of CIS's proven technology up here. Running plates and such things like that is easy in a state like Florida, where they sell DMV records to data warehouses. Because CIS is a private investigation company, the Florida Driver Privacy Act dosen't apply to them, they can run a tag even if the information is privacy or law enforcement blocked.

Best part about Florida was that through a web interface, you could run anyone for state-wide warrants, missing persons, and run property including weapon serial numbers. It motivates the police to respond alot faster when you can say, "We have this guy, he comes back as wanted, please come and verify." The dispatcher will immediately send a police vehicle, and the responding officer KNOWS he has something - not just aother stupid call.

The only thing I don't like about the way CIS uses their laptops is its all older cellular technology, not GMRS, Packet Radio, or Nextel iDEN. I'm not sure how much they have to shell out to replace the radios in all their cruisers.

[guest4468]

i wouldnt be so sure... i know the silver impala is a company squad and they are authorised to use lights on city streets and also allowed to respond to emergencies under direct order of an LEO or commanding LEO. i dont think everyones pics are on their website, i have heard that this company is quite the run for the money, not only do they work closely with the racine police dept. and surrounding depts. but they also carry most contracts for the areas the PD just cant patrol due to lack of officers and high crime. from what i understand metro is a great asset to racine and their guestbook says it all.

[N. A. Corbier]

i wouldnt be so sure... i know the silver impala is a company squad and they are authorised to use lights on city streets and also allowed to respond to emergencies under direct order of an LEO or commanding LEO. i dont think everyones pics are on their website, i have heard that this company is quite the run for the money, not only do they work closely with the racine police dept. and surrounding depts. but they also carry most contracts for the areas the PD just cant patrol due to lack of officers and high crime. from what i understand metro is a great asset to racine and their guestbook says it all.

The City of Racine Police Department, Public Affairs Office, has stated that it is illegal in the City of Racine to run red lights facing foward or blue lights at any angle, on city, county, or state streets.

A law enforcement officer may direct a civilian at the scene to activate them, however, without a written authorization from the Chief of Police, this can be countermanded at any time.

Having looked into "red to the front," it can be a useful asset, however, I will perfer to use red to the rear, white to the front, so that I don't have to go begging 20 agencies for letters of authorization.

[Mr. Security]

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I worked for a competitor of CIS, and will be using alot of CIS's proven technology up here. Running plates and such things like that is easy in a state like Florida, where they sell DMV records to data warehouses. Because CIS is a private investigation company, the Florida Driver Privacy Act dosen't apply to them, they can run a tag even if the information is privacy or law enforcement blocked.

Sounds interesting, but who monitors them for abuse. Having worked as a police dispatcher, I know that regular audits are performed in Conn. to ensure that all requests for such information by LE and dispatch are legitimate. Violators are subject to fines and/or prison time.

[N. A. Corbier]

Sounds interesting, but who monitors them for abuse. Having worked as a police dispatcher, I know that regular audits are performed in Conn. to ensure that all requests for such information by LE and dispatch are legitimate. Violators are subject to fines and/or prison time.

No one needs to. The information is freely accessable from third parties, you just have to buy it.

[Mr. Security]

No one needs to. The information is freely accessable from third parties, you just have to buy it.

Interesting.

[Charger]

Same thing in my area.... You can easily get DMV records & things like that, online in real-time... you just have to pay the $ for it...

One thing I've found that's nice in WA compared to OR where I was working, is WA actually has a site online to view court cases for criminal, DV, juvenile, etc... So if I make an FI stop with someone, I can plug his name in on this site, choose a type of case to look for, and see if he has a record at all... Doesn't show current warrants, unfortunately, but still comes in handy.. Especially since it's free.. lol

[davis002]

Same thing in my area.... You can easily get DMV records & things like that, online in real-time... you just have to pay the $ for it...

One thing I've found that's nice in WA compared to OR where I was working, is WA actually has a site online to view court cases for criminal, DV, juvenile, etc... So if I make an FI stop with someone, I can plug his name in on this site, choose a type of case to look for, and see if he has a record at all... Doesn't show current warrants, unfortunately, but still comes in handy.. Especially since it's free.. lol

In Minnesota I use my cellular internet-enabled PDA constantly to look up information on people. Most of the counties on the metro area allow you to search warrants, booking info, criminal complaints, etc. The DMV allows you access to the deputy registrar website (obviously all editing functions are deactivated, you can only search). It can get spendy at $4.00 per plate.

We also subscribe to several online data warehouses, that allow us to look up all sorts of records from every state (DMV, DOC, etc).

It's really nice to know who you are dealing with, especially if they have a warrant.

[ff000525]

Less than two years ago these guys only had 9 employees, checking the Dept of Reg and Licensing it shows now they have over 20 people working for them, looks up and coming..... maybe I'll apply there, or maybe I'll wait until N.A. starts something up :)....

[Mr. Security]

[QUOTE=EMTFirefighter]Real professional-looking crew they've got there!

http://www.metroracine.com/images/racineteam.jpg[/QUOT

Stop it! My side is hurting. :D

[ff000525]

That's funny.... anyways, that seems to be the norm up here in WI. I've seen Cops with beards....weird. Me personally, since I couldn't grow a beard to save my mother's life, I think I'd be ok.

[EMTGuard]

Save the beards for detectives or vice. Otherwise, I prefer clean shaven or a mustache. Old-fashioned? Maybe. Just my 2 cents. :)
I went ahead and started a thread on 'grooming standards-beards' so we can discuss this in more detail.

[Mr. Security]

I went ahead and started a thread on 'grooming standards-beards' so we can discuss this in more detail.

Good idea. I'll move my post.

[N. A. Corbier]

That's funny.... anyways, that seems to be the norm up here in WI. I've seen Cops with beards....weird. Me personally, since I couldn't grow a beard to save my mother's life, I think I'd be ok.

I look past the big freakin beard on that sergeant, once I found out that Racine and Kenosha PD allows beards.

Other than the fact they're all supervisors, all in tight with the company, and most of their duty rigs scare me (Zero retention)...

Go for it. Just make damn sure you have a good holster.

[1stWatch]

I could never wear a beard. It makes my face stink like last week's armpit and makes me look like Spock's evil twin.

[hemi444]

I see red lights in front of that impala, that's not one of their cruisers, or they're suicidal. Only fire and LE are authorized red lights facing the front of a vehicle.

Other than that, here's another you might find interesting viewing:
http://www.cisworldservices.org/
When I was working in a steel mill, the s/o's had red lights and sirens and the only time we had used them was for emergency responses and some security breach incidents. They were also approved by the state.

[hemi444]

I'm told in Missouri, by a police officer, that red can be run by God knows all sorts... Volly Fire, Doctors, EMS, Tow...
Rumor has that some New England states run that way and that pa was going to All red and sirens for fire/rescue/ems volunteers and doing away with blue lights and the state and local le's will have straight blue. I know my one friend went to North Carolina and was stopped for having a blue bar light on his truck.

[EMTGuard]

I know my one friend went to North Carolina and was stopped for having a blue bar light on his truck. He would have trouble here too. Louisiana reserves Blue for LEO only. I've been told by Volunteer firefighters from Texas, who are allowed blue lights, that they have been pulled over and given the third degree while visiting here in Louisiana.

[hemi444]

Real professional-looking crew they've got there!

http://www.metroracine.com/images/racineteam.jpg

Did the big guy put his finger in an electric socket?

This also reminds me of the officer appearance thread that I added.. everyone has different color pants and I bet the big guy has the 45 degree pitch going on underneath his coat.

[N. A. Corbier]

They're wearing three different uniforms. One appears to be a Class A with sweater, the second a Class C with Navy Blue BDU pants, the third a Class C with Black BDU pants.

[Mr. Security]

[=N. A. Corbier]
I'm told in Missouri, by a police officer, that red can be run by God knows all sorts... Volly Fire, Doctors, EMS, Tow...[QUOTE]


[QUOTE=hemi444]Rumor has that some New England states run that way and that pa was going to All red and sirens for fire/rescue/ems volunteers and doing away with blue lights and the state and local le's will have straight blue. I know my one friend went to North Carolina and was stopped for having a blue bar light on his truck.

If they are, I haven't heard it yet. NY and NJ have red or red/white for LE, and CT has red/blue. MA does have blue/blue and VT, NH, may have blue as well. In CT, POV volunteers must use blue/no siren for fire and green/no siren for ambulance. No one can run red on their POV unless they are a chief or deputy chief of fire, ambulance, or director of emergency management. Even amber requires a flashing light permit. To me blue/blue makes more sense for police and red or red/white for fire and ambulance. I'd like to see all volunteers with green courtesy lights and general security with amber or amber/white lights.

[hemi444]

I'd like to see all volunteers with green courtesy lights and general security with amber or amber/white lights.

I thought NFPA recognized green as a command post for fire service vehicles or not unless its just in pa.

[Mr. Security]

I thought NFPA recognized green as a command post for fire service vehicles or not unless its just in pa.

I not sure about the NFPA standard. I do know that in CT, green is used as a courtesy light for ambulance volunteers and blue for FD volunteers.

Some fire departments refuse to allow volunteers to use courtesy lights because of the potential for abuse/reckless driving. Personally, I don't have a problem with it. I always pull over and let them pass. Could be my house or family! :eek:

[N. A. Corbier]

NFPA designates green lights for Incident Command vehicles.

Of course, in most states, it is not a requirement to pull over for a green light, only red or blue facing forward. So, those green lights, alone, do not indicate an Incident Command vehicle, nor do they indicate you are required to yield. :)

I've always wondered what act or statute designated purple for funeral directors. It seems, very strange, for them to use purple. I've noticed, though, that up here - they throw an amber light bar on the lead car, and cannot violate traffic laws related to intersection traffic control devices. If the light turns red, the car line must stop. Police and Fire funerals have law enforcement officers providing escort, with lights, to keep the line whole.

[Echos13]

What is interesting that I have seen these purple lights in use here on Hazmat and special services units. Frankly it's hard to tell the differance at a moments notice the difference between this and blue. Though it is darker than blue most people will associate it as such. The FHP has changed it's lighting system after 40 years of blue. They are using a sensor computer system to have thier lights run red during the day and blue at night. Thats really going to be weird.

[N. A. Corbier]

What is interesting that I have seen these purple lights in use here on Hazmat and special services units. Frankly it's hard to tell the differance at a moments notice the difference between this and blue. Though it is darker than blue most people will associate it as such. The FHP has changed it's lighting system after 40 years of blue. They are using a sensor computer system to have thier lights run red during the day and blue at night. Thats really going to be weird.

The hell...

I'm guessing LED. That's weird. Very.

[Taser]

Wow...Metro Racine...what an outfit. Has to be some of the sloppiest looking security patrol people I've seen. That guy in the middle is quite the grizzly bear.

[Echos13]

The hell...

I'm guessing LED. That's weird. Very.


Yep, heres a picture.

http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL913/4314969/9115620/126727876.jpg

Gonna' take some getting use too!

[Taser]

Yep, heres a picture.

http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL913/4314969/9115620/126727876.jpg

Gonna' take some getting use too!
Ah, so pretty. :D

[Lawson]

Top Flite Security of the world!

I think that impala is a city unit and they're in cuffs. :D



Real professional-looking crew they've got there!

http://www.metroracine.com/images/racineteam.jpg

[Taser]

Top Flite Security of the world!

I think that impala is a city unit and they're in cuffs. :D
No kidding. They should have spent more on uniforms and less on new Impalas.

[Lawson]

The guy on the left has a uniform I can reasonably respect, the other two look like soup sandwiches.

[Lawson]

I like this one... the caption is "Squad in action" ... I call it... "We pulled up behind a parked van and turned our lights on"


http://www.metroracine.com/imp3.jpg

[Echos13]

I dunno' these two look more like Luke Skywalker and Chewbaca stand-ins to me.

[N. A. Corbier]

As noted earlier, in Wisconsin, so long as your on private property, you can run reds all you want. On the public road, you must be an authorized emergency vehicle to have red to the front. Authorized emergency vehicles, however, include tow trucks engaged in salvage or recovery operations (Wisconsin State Statutes).

As far as the pictures, someone needs to post the oblig anti-gang unit picture. When I showed this to a few friends here in Kenosha, they honestly believed that they were looking at a City of Racine Police Officer.

[guest4468]

"The City of Racine Police Department, Public Affairs Office, has stated that it is illegal in the City of Racine to run red lights facing foward or blue lights at any angle, on city, county, or state streets."

I would like to inform you that the company has written authorization from the County to run Red to the rear and white to the front on city streets, and red to the front only on private property, however for picture purposes most of the lights are all on and in some instances they are used on city streets when assisting with traffic control, or double parking while dealing with situation where parking is impossible (also opposite lane parking front facing on comming traffic) as well as PD requested incidents. i garruntee you wont find another company in wisconsin doing what metro does, they are a first to push past the norm. in security.

[guest4468]

as for holsters, i assure you that they are all triple retention holsters and have been observed and changed out. anyone with a zero level retention is an officer in low risk areas, however that should not matter... in my opinion you are correct some type of protection in retention should be used...

[guest4468]

and last but not least, photos... the first batch of photos on their site are old photos, extremely old, taken mostly of the LT as you can see and he at the time had the website post all his photos, metro is in the process of taking new photos and replacing the older photos that you all seem to find funny, as do i also...

and only 2 squads are equipt with front facing red lights, all the rest are set up with white front facing lights, and are rarely used.

[ff000525]

Guest,
Hope you didn't take offense to these guys, they're just not used the way WI guys love thier beards, its dang cold up here :). Well not this winter, but anyways. Not to be a butt kisser or anything, but I do actually appreciate the work you guys do. I work 2nd shift Security (***) in Racine and I know how crappy it can get. I work on S. Memorial so its not like I work in a great part of the city, we're always seeing cop cars and hearing chases (foot and vehicle) on the scanner. And that is why I reside 8 miles south of Racine.

[guest4468]

no offense taken, just not many people understand how bad racine is and when we are out here working it, rules tend to change from black and white, to a nice shade of grey... i would like to know what company you work for and see what you do... prolly thru a pm... i can fill you in more over pm.

the beard, hey your right and they are right, its new to law enforcement to wear beards...

[N. A. Corbier]

"The City of Racine Police Department, Public Affairs Office, has stated that it is illegal in the City of Racine to run red lights facing foward or blue lights at any angle, on city, county, or state streets."

I would like to inform you that the company has written authorization from the County to run Red to the rear and white to the front on city streets, and red to the front only on private property, however for picture purposes most of the lights are all on and in some instances they are used on city streets when assisting with traffic control, or double parking while dealing with situation where parking is impossible (also opposite lane parking front facing on comming traffic) as well as PD requested incidents. i garruntee you wont find another company in wisconsin doing what metro does, they are a first to push past the norm. in security.

The City of Racine Police Department, as well as my own Kenosha Police Department advised me that so long as red does not face the front, you can run red to the rear or sides all you want. They're considered "hazard flashers," not emergency warning lights.

As I've said before, the companies in Kenosha are all unarmed warm body companies. Basically, Metro Racine Safety Enforcement seems like the only competition that I will have in this area.

[N. A. Corbier]

as for holsters, i assure you that they are all triple retention holsters and have been observed and changed out. anyone with a zero level retention is an officer in low risk areas, however that should not matter... in my opinion you are correct some type of protection in retention should be used...

I can't read the guy's name on the left, the one in the sweater. However, looking at the (old) pictures, that man has a Uncle Mikes Sidekick for Law Enforcement Retention Level 1 holster. I know this, because I have seen WAY too many of those stupid things on my subordinates in other companies. :( I actually gave a Bianchi level 2 holster to someone, because I'd went from that to level 3.

[N. A. Corbier]

and last but not least, photos... the first batch of photos on their site are old photos, extremely old, taken mostly of the LT as you can see and he at the time had the website post all his photos, metro is in the process of taking new photos and replacing the older photos that you all seem to find funny, as do i also...

and only 2 squads are equipt with front facing red lights, all the rest are set up with white front facing lights, and are rarely used.

I take it that MRSE is having someone other than that employee do their website, and therefore it won't be the Chris Siebeneich Show?

[N. A. Corbier]

Guest,
Hope you didn't take offense to these guys, they're just not used the way WI guys love thier beards, its dang cold up here :). Well not this winter, but anyways. Not to be a butt kisser or anything, but I do actually appreciate the work you guys do. I work 2nd shift Security (***) in Racine and I know how crappy it can get. I work on S. Memorial so its not like I work in a great part of the city, we're always seeing cop cars and hearing chases (foot and vehicle) on the scanner. And that is why I reside 8 miles south of Racine.

ff000525 lives in North Kenosha? Hell, man, your braver than I thought. :)

As far as the beards. I really don't have a problem with the guy's beard. I'd just ask him to put some gel in his hair, or part his hair, or something. It looks unprofessional to have a pompador in a uniform.

[guest4468]

as for as the metro website is concerned... what do you mean by the chris siebeneich show?

chris used to be incharge of the website, then it was moved to an outside company and it went to crap, then the website was handed down to another employee who posted most photos of himself and other goofy things to glorify himself as the LT. , as of right now, chris has been given the opportunity to revamp the website but has not changed any of the photos due to not having any new ones, i assure you the copy right is there just to protect his new artwork, design, and graphics from being hacked and stolen as they were in the past as he is a professional web designer... chris has done a great job in making the site look more professional and getting the site addvertised on the web, however he also has to work with what he is given.

[guest4468]

Kenosha said they allow red lights to the rear, wow thats a first... their third shift hates metro thinks they have too much authority. trying to tell an officer on kenosha PD that its legal to run reds to the rear without getting shot or arrested for impersonating is a tough one, usually has to be complained up the ladder to the shift commander or higher... i would like to know who told you in kenosha they dont care about reds to the rear, because they raise hell with the metro officers that live or commute to the kenosha area.

(but then again, it takes one hot head that thinks hes a cop to screw it up for the honest working officers that are huffing it thru school to become real cops, as most of them are... but there are always a few that f it up for the rest of the company)

[guest4468]

hey n.a. what do you mean competition? are you a police officer or work for security, or do you own a security company?

[N. A. Corbier]

as for as the metro website is concerned... what do you mean by the chris siebeneich show?

chris used to be incharge of the website, then it was moved to an outside company and it went to crap, then the website was handed down to another employee who posted most photos of himself and other goofy things to glorify himself as the LT. , as of right now, chris has been given the opportunity to revamp the website but has not changed any of the photos due to not having any new ones, i assure you the copy right is there just to protect his new artwork, design, and graphics from being hacked and stolen as they were in the past as he is a professional web designer... chris has done a great job in making the site look more professional and getting the site addvertised on the web, however he also has to work with what he is given.

Now, see, this is the fun part. When folks noticed the site, it had Chris's name on every page, with the copyright. "Designed By."

If I remember correctly, there's a few other relatives of his in the company. (That WI site is scary, listing more information so easily that I've ever seen before...)

It looked like Chris has had control of the site since these pictures were up. So, it lead me to believe that Chris had lock, stock, and barrel control of the website - it kept being updated, and it kept his name on it.

This is why I perfer not to sign web projects with my name, only provide a link to the company. I usually don't even put the company name on a client's webpage.

Eventually you folks will get some more pictures, and things will look "better" on the website.

[N. A. Corbier]

Kenosha said they allow red lights to the rear, wow thats a first... their third shift hates metro thinks they have too much authority. trying to tell an officer on kenosha PD that its legal to run reds to the rear without getting shot or arrested for impersonating is a tough one, usually has to be complained up the ladder to the shift commander or higher... i would like to know who told you in kenosha they dont care about reds to the rear, because they raise hell with the metro officers that live or commute to the kenosha area.

(but then again, it takes one hot head that thinks hes a cop to screw it up for the honest working officers that are huffing it thru school to become real cops, as most of them are... but there are always a few that f it up for the rest of the company)

Kenosha has no choice. So long as those red lights to the rear are not activated, they're simply "hazard lights." If they want to issue a citation, -fine-, they can waste their time and the person driving as well. Then it gets fought and hopefully thrown out of the court, with a few harsh words by the Municipal Judge.

I contacted KPD's Public Information Officer, and he noted with some "strong language" cautioning me that "impersonation is a crime" that red lights to the rear, and nowhere else, are not illegal, but that a security company cannot run ANY lights on city streets, unless there is a "hazard" or "other dangerous event."

In other words, just like the plow trucks run amber light bars, and turn on their hazards which may be their brake lights... You can run red to the rear if your in a position where you need your hazard lights. That's on city streets. Off city property, on private property, guess what? Wisconsin Traffic Code dosen't apply. Its not a "city road, alley, highway or right of way."

I've had no issue debating or even arguing with a LEO who didn't understand the law, or wasn't trained in an aspect of it. Of course, in Florida, I didn't feel I needed body armor to disagree with a KPD Officer. Obviously... You know the stories as well as I do about KPD.

I also got this information from an Officer in Racine Police, who was a hell of alot more resourceful than the KPDPIO. I wish I still had the KPD mail. It was classic. They use Outlook, and it kept having forwards. From the web team to the PIO adjuant, with "You want to answer this guy?" then "Here's his information. I don't know what he's asking." and finally, "I'll take care of it." from a Captain.

[N. A. Corbier]

hey n.a. what do you mean competition? are you a police officer or work for security, or do you own a security company?

I own an IT company that is financing emough for a start up security company. Mainly because when I applied with the two security companies in Kenosha (once I came into town), they immediately went, "We don't have armed guards. You have a resume? Oh... OH. Did you know Kenosha Police is hiring?" Racine Public Safety and Racine Metro seem to be the only two within 25 miles of Kenosha that actually try to do more than put unarmed targets acting like valets at area hospitals and the public library system.

It took me a few minutes to realize the guy at the library wasn't a cop, because "Kenosha Private Police," to my southern mind, means he MUST be a police officer, it says "Police."

When a warm body company says, "Did you know the police department is hiring," I immediately lose all hope of getting hired. Securex Services, may their corporate decendants have better luck than they, used to say that to overqualified people, right after they said, "Security guards shouldn't carry loaded guns." They're out of business now, thankfully, and have been for a long time. Can't libel the dead! :)

[ff000525]

Clarification NA, I live North of the Park (ya know.....that wonderfully safe one with the skatepark) and actually live in a pretty nice area. My wife and I both work in Racine, and man, the part of town that we drive though to get to work, well makes me wish they'd pass this CCW bill and fast! As for Guest... feel free to PM me with questions, I just won't answer them in the forum (bad business to put my companies name out, as much as I moan about my crappy job).

[N. A. Corbier]

Clarification NA, I live North of the Park (ya know.....that wonderfully safe one with the skatepark) and actually live in a pretty nice area. My wife and I both work in Racine, and man, the part of town that we drive though to get to work, well makes me wish they'd pass this CCW bill and fast! As for Guest... feel free to PM me with questions, I just won't answer them in the forum (bad business to put my companies name out, as much as I moan about my crappy job).
Heh. My girlfriend's mother lives north of the skatepark. I live (publically available) in Downtown. No, not those freaking condos. :)

From what I've seen, the only place you have to "fear" around here is the 60th Street strip. Of course, once you get into Racine County, its time to lock the doors and wonder why a DNR hunting rules requires your weapon be trunked seperate from the ammunition - your not hunting, your being hunted.

[guest4468]

"Now, see, this is the fun part. When folks noticed the site, it had Chris's name on every page, with the copyright. "Designed By."

If I remember correctly, there's a few other relatives of his in the company. (That WI site is scary, listing more information so easily that I've ever seen before...)

It looked like Chris has had control of the site since these pictures were up. So, it lead me to believe that Chris had lock, stock, and barrel control of the website - it kept being updated, and it kept his name on it.

This is why I perfer not to sign web projects with my name, only provide a link to the company. I usually don't even put the company name on a client's webpage.

Eventually you folks will get some more pictures, and things will look "better" on the website."

well just so you know i am chris... and like i said it was done to protect my work, i can not really do anything about the pictures because those are better than none and its all i was on the server when i recieved the log on and password... but if you have any suggestions, just let me know. i would be more than happy to change things to make it look better. and no im not the LT with the zero retention holster. i also am told what to post and what not to post on the site, but will keep in mind that the name is probably bad practice, as i noticed by getting my name involved in previous posts...

however i dont have any family in security anywhere, i am the first in the field and in the family to choose police work other than an uncle with a different last name.

and as for racine public safety... they are a joke, 6 officers that dont work, one account, copied everything from metro including uniforms, and patches. they have been in lots of trouble and about to go out of business.

[N. A. Corbier]

"Now, see, this is the fun part. When folks noticed the site, it had Chris's name on every page, with the copyright. "Designed By."

If I remember correctly, there's a few other relatives of his in the company. (That WI site is scary, listing more information so easily that I've ever seen before...)

It looked like Chris has had control of the site since these pictures were up. So, it lead me to believe that Chris had lock, stock, and barrel control of the website - it kept being updated, and it kept his name on it.

This is why I perfer not to sign web projects with my name, only provide a link to the company. I usually don't even put the company name on a client's webpage.

Eventually you folks will get some more pictures, and things will look "better" on the website."


well just so you know i am chris... and like i said it was done to protect my work, i can not really do anything about the pictures because those are better than none and its all i was on the server when i recieved the log on and password... but if you have any suggestions, just let me know. i would be more than happy to change things to make it look better. and no im not the LT with the zero retention holster. i also am told what to post and what not to post on the site, but will keep in mind that the name is probably bad practice, as i noticed by getting my name involved in previous posts...

however i dont have any family in security anywhere, i am the first in the field and in the family to choose police work other than an uncle with a different last name.

and as for racine public safety... they are a joke, 6 officers that dont work, one account, copied everything from metro including uniforms, and patches. they have been in lots of trouble and about to go out of business.

Interesting. That's one of the reasons, if I use my name (Like here, and other places), I control exactly what its being used for.

I'm almost tempted to check the DOLR site again, just to see if my memory is faulty, but there's no need. I must of had a lapse of memory. There were several folks listed with the same last name working for RMSE.

You know, I had a card from Racine Public Safety. I looked at their patches, and went, "Gee, thats... really easy to copy." It took me 3 minutes in photoshop to make one from scratch. Knowing that RPS copied it from RMSE (Its easy to tell, RMSE was incorporated first), it gives me incentive to continue to work on the original design I had. I like the rounded box shape of the patches, though, it makes you stand out from the LE agency's patches.

Of course, I also do not want LAPD blue uniforms, because the local police use them. Dark Grey works just fine.

I also believe in extensive training, and giving equipment on loan so that you don't have people coming out with level 0 retention holsters or duty gear so worn you can no longer count the frays.

A good point is Kenosha County Courthouse, who just accepted a bid for 15 per man-hour for 3 unarmed guards. People local say they'll be paid 10 an hour. 5 dollars profit per man hour, for a warm body company? I'm guessing more along the lines of 6-7 an hour. With 6-7 an hour, you'll get high turn over, low morale, and no training. Would YOU want your company represented in a public venue like that, by someone who have no clue what they're doing?

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in reguards to the courthouse account, actually its 2 un armed, and one armed (not to carry in the building, but to be licensed in case of an emergency) and you are right that pay rate would result in a very high turn over rate... as for uniform color, state requires a different color than the city your office is based out of, i dont know how schmitt, KPP and per mar gt away with same colors as the city they are based in, but hey, i do however agree that the more you look like an LEO the better teh deterrent, however it can cause some complications such as hot heads that think they are PD and they are not. however, its a very good business to get into but a tough one to stay afloat. i am moving on to corrections for a year or 2 tops and then moving up to sheriff in the near future. so soon i will be out of the security game, but it is fun and can be extra money, and plus with the amount of time i have in with metro and all i have put into it, i would probably still help them out when they needed it.

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Wow, did not know that about the courthouse account. I actually thought that they'd be pretty squared. I checked out the website of the company that susposedly got the account and it seems pretty good, but you are right, $5 profit per man hour.......hhhhhmmmm that's probably not going to happen. Actually, the account I'm working at, I've found out that the company I work for makes about $30 an hour profit after paying us. We still can keep Guards, hey even I still have my resume ready to send in a moments notice.

[N. A. Corbier]

in reguards to the courthouse account, actually its 2 un armed, and one armed (not to carry in the building, but to be licensed in case of an emergency) and you are right that pay rate would result in a very high turn over rate... as for uniform color, state requires a different color than the city your office is based out of, i dont know how schmitt, KPP and per mar gt away with same colors as the city they are based in, but hey, i do however agree that the more you look like an LEO the better teh deterrent, however it can cause some complications such as hot heads that think they are PD and they are not. however, its a very good business to get into but a tough one to stay afloat. i am moving on to corrections for a year or 2 tops and then moving up to sheriff in the near future. so soon i will be out of the security game, but it is fun and can be extra money, and plus with the amount of time i have in with metro and all i have put into it, i would probably still help them out when they needed it.

An armed security officer, by definition I think we can all agree on, is only "armed" when he has is weapon physically on him and is required to carry it by duty.

I've never seen a WI Administrative Code that says "your uniform must be different color than the local PD," nor a directive from Division of Licensing/Regulation. But, then, I can see some judge making that case law decision. Any idea on the source of that rule? Personally, dark grey is good for me - nobody uses it and its not freaking white.

In case of emergency, I would think that the three unarmed would call 911 and fall back, letting the deputies handle the situation.

The "more you look like a LEO, better the deterrant" logic is foreign to me. Coming from a state where uniform design and such is strictly regulated (Looking like a LEO at 25 feet is impersonating), and no two companies may have similiar shoulder patches, nor may security companies use the words "police," or "security police," or even "patrol" if it looks anything like a law enforcement designation... The MRSE vehicles would all be impounded, and their drivers would be considered "impersonating." If they had markings indicating they're a security company, it'd be fine.

You can see my point? Just the statement "our vehicles look like unmarked police vehicles" would be used by Florida's Division of Licensing to terminate the agency license. So its a foreign concept to me.

[N. A. Corbier]

Wow, did not know that about the courthouse account. I actually thought that they'd be pretty squared. I checked out the website of the company that susposedly got the account and it seems pretty good, but you are right, $5 profit per man hour.......hhhhhmmmm that's probably not going to happen. Actually, the account I'm working at, I've found out that the company I work for makes about $30 an hour profit after paying us. We still can keep Guards, hey even I still have my resume ready to send in a moments notice.

You should of seen the website I did, total fiction, to demonstrate to a client. It was a fully functioning website describing our "Protective Services Group's Uniformed Services Division." I had to take it down after people started writing emails asking how to hire us. It was all done with photoshop and stock graphics from the internet.