Flashlights for self defense

[black bear]

FLASHLIGHTS FOR SELF DEFENSE

As strange as it sounds, some flashlights are used for self defense quite often in daily life.
Sometimes by professionals Police Officers in a way to avoid using deadly force in confrontations with suspects, and other times by civilians that are not permitted to carry lethal weapons.

In the US we have it quite good in that we are allowed to carry short knives and some others implements but in the majority of Europe such activities are illegal or highly frowned upon by the authorities.

If you defend yourself with a baseball bat even in your own home in certain countries you have to give reason for why you have such an implement with you.

One of my flashlights that I promote in the States as the Search and Rescue 852 lumens to use in emergency vehicles such as ambulances, fire trucks, helicopters etc. because is too heavy and too long to be easily portable (it is based on the Maglite 4 D). I have found appreciative customers in the European market to be used as self defense tool by civilians that go out for a stroll or to walk the dog situations.

Other lights use others means of incorporating defense mechanisms in their construction. I am thinking now about the ARES Defense Companion, a Maglite with 3 cells that incorporates a shotgun of 410 gauge (only one picture is circulating in the Internet and I think is not in production) or the Tiger Light that incorporates a pepper spray canister, or the several models of Surefire that come with crenellated bezels (one example is the popular E2D executive Defender).

Surefire was the first (to my knowledge) at popularizing the crenellated bezel and the SureFire Institute offers a class in basic defensive tactics called “The power of Light” which is open to all qualified civilians as well as law enforcement professionals .
The course is taught by certified instructor Steve Tarani (shown below delivering a carotid strike).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/SteveTarani.jpg


My own MAG 951 II or the EXP 852 can be had with the optional heavy stainless steel crenellated bezel that I offer in a limited production run.
Such bezels add 3 ounces to the weight of the head and the bezel even that is not actually sharp will be a good imitation of the broken beer bottle.
I don’t think that an aggressor, if he is in his right mind, will confront such a weapon that first will blind him with 951 lumens and then is ready to rearrange his facial features.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/cbezel.jpg

Some handy accessories have been produced to increase the defensive use of the Maglite. I am thinking of a quality item made with great care and good materials called the Piggy Back; it will keep a container of Pepper spray quite handy by screwing the accessory to the end of the MAG tail-cap.


Or from the same company the accessory tail-cap with carbide insert capable of breaking automotive glass.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/pgbk_1.jpg

My own Quick Detach Swivel, when used only with the nub for the lanyard, can be very hard on skulls and noses.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/swivelmag.jpg

This MAG 951 sports the heavy 3 inch head (the head is now out of production), more resembling a medieval mace. This is also a fantastic throw monster reaching over several hundred yards.


I have in my long association with the flashlight Industry seen a few models which spray OC from the front of the lens, flashlight that also incorporate a screaming siren, flashlights that incorporate a stun gun and others weird contraptions all of them gone from the market now.

What seems to prevail is just a good weight reliable flashlight that can be used as a baton or with the new crenellated bezels and the introduction of really powerful MEGA lights capable of blinding an assailant.

Best regards,
Black bear

[HotelSecurity]

In Canada the baseball bat would be legal. (Actually I have a hockey stick with the blade sawed off :D ). But everything else, OC, Tazers, stun guns etc are illegal. I also have a real protective dog.

[Mr. Security]

Using heavy flashlights for self-defense can put you in prison if it's not a life-threatening situation with no way to retreat. I carry a 6 cell Mag-Lite for use as a LAST resort only. Otherwise, it's considered assault with a deadly weapon here.

[Tennsix]

A flashlight is a recognized impact weapon and can be legitimately used as such. However, the news media has portrayed said use as brutality which as caused many jurisdictions to address the concept. The perception of a flashlight strike is the problem, not the act it’s self.

[Mr. Security]

A flashlight is a recognized impact weapon and can be legitimately used as such. However, the news media has portrayed said use as brutality which as caused many jurisdictions to address the concept. The perception of a flashlight strike is the problem, not the act it’s self.

Whether it's perception or not, check your state law before using it as a "recognized impact weapon," or you may be explaining the concept to a jury.

[Michael Ledgerwood]

I would not buy a flashlight like that for any reason. As mentioned a flashlight being used as a weapon would bring huge liability to you unless you were in extreme danger and had no other alternative. With that said if you had a regular flashlight (magcharger, etc.) and used it for defense you would be ok ASSUMING you were in jeopordy. Now when you start adding the options onto it such as the skull crusher you have effectively turned what was a flashlight into a weapon. Any attorney can say that by transforming your flashlight into a weapon your intent was to cause significant bodily injury rather than to defend yourself. In almost every jurisdiction you would be found liable for using that piece of junk. SureFire made a bezel that you described for their flashlights, however you will notice that they have it on their mini lights not full size beahemoths that pack some weight behind them. The SureFire bezel is designed to be used as a presure point device much the same way a Kubaton is used. Even if you were to strike an individual with the SureFire, the weight of the flashlight would not cause significant bodily injury. Remember, in a defensive situation it is not your intent to injure the perp, it is your intent to stop the aggressive act long enough to escape to safety. The bezel mounted on the front of your flashlight might be permisable (though I find it excessive personally) but the 'skull crusher' or whatever you called it is way to extreme. Case in point, when I was a police officer one of my officers got tackled and into a fight with a DV suspect. The suspect had ran into the backyard when it was pitch black and hid. My partner was tackled from behind and pinned down while the suspect start assalting him. My partner, unable to reach any of his other tools and fearing for his safety started striking the suspect in the head with his dept issued MagCharger. The suspect was severly injured as a result. That was with a standard flashlight, had he been using your light the suspect would have likely been killed in a situation that did not necessarily warrant deadly force. Any aluminum flashlight can be used as a defensive tool, there is no need for skull crushers or any other pieces of junk added to them.

[Tennsix]

Whether it's perception or not, check your state law before using it as a "recognized impact weapon," or you may be explaining the concept to a jury.
Not a problem in my state, as long as the force continuum is observed.

[black bear]

I would not buy a flashlight like that for any reason. As mentioned a flashlight being used as a weapon would bring huge liability to you unless you were in extreme danger and had no other alternative. With that said if you had a regular flashlight (magcharger, etc.) and used it for defense you would be ok ASSUMING you were in jeopordy. Now when you start adding the options onto it such as the skull crusher you have effectively turned what was a flashlight into a weapon. Any attorney can say that by transforming your flashlight into a weapon your intent was to cause significant bodily injury rather than to defend yourself. In almost every jurisdiction you would be found liable for using that piece of junk. SureFire made a bezel that you described for their flashlights, however you will notice that they have it on their mini lights not full size beahemoths that pack some weight behind them. The SureFire bezel is designed to be used as a presure point device much the same way a Kubaton is used. Even if you were to strike an individual with the SureFire, the weight of the flashlight would not cause significant bodily injury. Remember, in a defensive situation it is not your intent to injure the perp, it is your intent to stop the aggressive act long enough to escape to safety. The bezel mounted on the front of your flashlight might be permisable (though I find it excessive personally) but the 'skull crusher' or whatever you called it is way to extreme. Case in point, when I was a police officer one of my officers got tackled and into a fight with a DV suspect. The suspect had ran into the backyard when it was pitch black and hid. My partner was tackled from behind and pinned down while the suspect start assalting him. My partner, unable to reach any of his other tools and fearing for his safety started striking the suspect in the head with his dept issued MagCharger. The suspect was severly injured as a result. That was with a standard flashlight, had he been using your light the suspect would have likely been killed in a situation that did not necessarily warrant deadly force. Any aluminum flashlight can be used as a defensive tool, there is no need for skull crushers or any other pieces of junk added to them.

Well, your opinion come up too strong, specially when you call my bezel a piece of junk, as you are wrong that Surefire put them only in small lights as I have seem them in the Surefire M-6 and the M-4.

They teach a course called the Power of Light based in part in defending with the crenellated bezels.

Here is one

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/irawoodinc_1888_168468767.jpg

And here also the Surefire M-3

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/irawoodinc_1888_168423647.jpg

regards
black bear

[Michael Ledgerwood]

My opinion is just that, my opinon. I call it junk because that is what it is. Lets break this down then. First, so you know where I am coming from - I am prior LE and am certified in the use of impact and strike weapons. Now you are claiming the flashlight is for self defense right? I am going to say this, if you have a multiple cell flashlight then why do you need a bezel or 'skull crusher'. A multiple cell flashlight is hefty enough to be used as a self defense tool by itself without the additions of your so called 'options'. Now, lets assume you have a Magcharger flashlight equiped with a bezel and 'skull crusher'. Lets say you are working contract security for an apartment complex carying your 'tricked out' Magcharger. You get into a fight with a juvenile and start losing. Fearing for your safety you grab your flashlight and use it to defend yourself. You strike the assailant with the 'skull crusher' fracturing his skull. You are not sworn law enforcement. As a result, you get called to testify. Flashlight is entered into evidence. Defense attorney asks why you felt the need to add a 'skull crusher' when the flashlight by itself is adequete enough to be used as a weapon. Result, your intent was to create a weapon to commit assault - you lose. Several police departments have lost cases where they used a plain flashlight as a weapon, and you want people to modify theres? Won't fly in most areas especially here in WA. Now, let me explain my thinking behind the bezel. A fullsize flashlight has a rather large head to accomadate the large reflector. If you had a bezel onto the end of it you are encouraging the use of the head portion of the flashlight as the weapon. This creates a grab potential for the suspect to grab the flashlight from you and use it against you, while leaving you with no way to retain the flashlight. Trust me, a suspect will not hesitate to take your flashlight away from you. I am not discoraging the use of flashlights as defensive tools, nor am I trying to insult you so please don't take it that way. I am just trying to discourage the use of 'modified' flashlights when its not necessary. in this day and age of greedy attorneys and courts / public that side with suspects a lot of times you don't need that liability added to your already stressful situation. Bezels and what not would be fine on smaller flashlights like the size of a stinger or a 'plastic' flashlight like Streamlight makes. Magchargers and other "fullsize" aluminum flashlight just don't need it. Its a waste of money, especially when you could by a dedicated impact weapon. Also, one other thought, modifying your flashlight might make it an impact weapon and therefore render it illegal in jurisdictions that control the sale and use of impact weapons by civilians. Again, I am not trying to start a war or anything, I am just merely giving my opinion as to why I think these are a bad idea.

Mike

[N. A. Corbier]

I'll note that the E2D flashlight is designed as a "last resort impact weapon," as in, you are only to use it when justified in lethal force because you are afraid for your life. Its called the Executive Type 2 (Defender), for a reason.

[black bear]

With all due respect to everybody in this business, you all have had a lousy training in the way you fight with an impact weapon.

In my own country I have trained police officers thirty eight years ago to fight with flashlight or club.
First you don't get the suspect to close on you, second you don't try to club anybody over the head, shoulder or arms, the only blow should be directed to the knee cap.
The suspect will go down in excruciating pain unable to attack or retreat.
And that is all of it.

It is a non lethal blow, you should not end in court over it, and talking about courts I noticed that the courts have all running scared, you are more afraid of the courts than of the crooks you have to deal with every day.

The courts have it all wrong when they accept that you use a night stick, club etc. to subdue a subject but make a big outcry over the use of a flashlight!!!

It is a shame that they try to dissarm security people from the only tool that they have in many countries (Australia or UK included, most of my customers work securrity detail in Australia)

And to end, if the CRENELLATED BEZEL is a viable option for SUREFIRE LIGHTS and don't see why not for my MAG 951 lights!!!

black bear

[Mr. Security]

.... In almost every jurisdiction you would be found liable for using that piece of junk....

His flashlight is certainly not a piece of junk. From what I can tell, it is a high quality, super-performing torch unlike anything else on the market. I can't afford it, but for those that can, I'm confident that they will be pleased.

[Mr. Security]

.....With all due respect to everybody in this business, you all have had a lousy training in the way you fight with an impact weapon.


Saying that we "all" are improperly trained in the use of impact weapons is an over-generalization statement, wouldn't you agree?


.....
The courts have it all wrong when they accept that you use a night stick, club etc. to subdue a subject but make a big outcry over the use of a flashlight!!!


Perhaps. Nevertheless, as Tennsix alluded to, it really is up to the state to decide that issue. In his state, it's not a problem. In mine, it can be. Remember, s/o's in general have no more authority than a private citizen. Any s/o who fails to use caution when using takedown methods is bound to cross the line sooner rather than later. Also, some laws regarding the use of force can be somewhat ambiguous and therefore subject to interpretation. That can mean an arrest and a costly defense to prove that the officer used proper force. The officer may very well win in court, but the state isn't going to p/u the cost of his/her defense. That's enough to make anyone think twice before acting. We have good reason to fear judicial action based on past cases. :(

[Tennsix]

Unfortunately, the courts (and the public in general) will view a police action incident differently than a security action incident, even if the circumstances are similar. IN many ways, the police are afford more protection.

[Mr. Security]

Unfortunately, the courts (and the public in general) will view a police action incident differently than a security action incident, even if the circumstances are similar. IN many ways, the police are afford more protection.

That's exactly the point. :) It makes a big difference.

[black bear]

Saying that we "all" are improperly trained in the use of impact weapons is an over-generalization statement, wouldn't you agree?



Perhaps. Nevertheless, as Tennsix alluded to, it really is up to the state to decide that issue. In his state, it's not a problem. In mine, it can be. Remember, s/o's in general have no more authority than a private citizen. Any s/o who fails to use caution when using takedown methods is bound to cross the line sooner rather than later. Also, some laws regarding the use of force can be somewhat ambiguous and therefore subject to interpretation. That can mean an arrest and a costly defense to prove that the officer used proper force. The officer may very well win in court, but the state isn't going to p/u the cost of his/her defense. That's enough to make anyone think twice before acting. We have good reason to fear judicial action based on past cases. :(

Yes, you are right, I agree on both counts, sorry if my opinion come out too strong

It is that I saw some videos taking by civilians that shows several Police Officers using repeated blows on a man that was down in his knees face down.
It is a shame that such things happen and give a bad name to the others honest hard working normal human, cops.

It it was unnecessary as proper training will have shown those "police officers" how to subdue a suspect without using excessive force.

black bear

[Bill Warnock]

Yes, you are right, I agree on both counts, sorry if my opinion come out too strong

It is that I saw some videos taking by civilians that shows several Police Officers using repeated blows on a man that was down in his knees face down.
It is a shame that such things happen and give a bad name to the others honest hard working normal human, cops.

It it was unnecessary as proper training will have shown those "police officers" how to subdue a suspect without using excessive force.

black bear
Years ago that type behavior was named "the pack instinct." Officers questioned later had no recollection of what they had done.
Despicable yes, tolerated no, understandable, yes. I never fault the individual policeman, I am severely critical of poor or no supervision. Supervisors must be held accountable for the actions of their subordinates.
Enjoy the day,
Bill

[N. A. Corbier]

You realize, black bear, that in most US juristictions, a private citizen (NOT a police officer) cannot add that bezel to a mag-lite?

Here's the deal.

Surefire is a manufacturer that sells a flashlight with a curnelated bezel. However you spell that word, its not one I use that often. :) You are selling an after-market addition to a Mag Insturments Flashlight.

Think of it like this. If you buy a car with heavily tinted windows, the law says that "if it came from the factory, its ok" in most states. This is because Ford/Chevy won't sell cars that violate the tinting law.

If you go out and buy a tinting kit, and put 99% tint on your car windows, a police officer will write you a ticket, and may impound your car as its undrivable.

You took effort in buying an item, importing it into the country, removing your stock Maglight bezel, and replacing it with another.

People aren't afraid of the courts. They're afraid of the police officer who will arrest you for using that weapon, sooner or later, because its no longer considered a flashlight. You've modified it.

A police officer can use any level of force that is reasonable in his arrest. A private citizen cannot. Unless your afraid for your life, in which case you can use any level of force - including deadly force, you can only use the level of force that your state allows. Some get 'reasonable,' some get 'one level higher.'

As far as striking a suspect in the knee caps with a flashlight or a nightstick, in America, that is unacceptable unless you are trying to "kill" a man. That is "great bodily injury," as you could destroy the joint and render the man a cripple for life. Batons, and even defensive flashlights, are aimed at muscle groups and nerve clusters, not joints.

We have to deal with something called Section 1983 of the Civil Rights Act. If you use excessive force under color of law, you can:

Go to federal prison for a very long time.
Lose everything you own in the civil suit against you. These things settle for millions of dollars.
Lose anything left as punitive damages in the criminal trial against you. Millions of dollars in fines are assessed.
Lose your civil rights due to being a federal felon.

Now, the bezel looks nice, and may be useful in rescue operations, but the American law enforcer, public or private, is going to have a hard time getting something like that approved. Surefire, on one hand, is a manufacturer who markets their small flashlights to the public as a flashlight. They plainly say, "This is a last ditch impact weapon, for when you have no other weapon." In other words, they're covering their ass.

They market the larger flashlights to special forces and SWAT teams, who usually can use lethal force anyway in the situations they would strike someone with that flashlight - its mounted to the end of a rifle.

[Michael Ledgerwood]

Let me make myself more clear on this matter. Your flashlight looks well built and solid. However as I mentioned the credenzel and the 'skull crusher' or whatever you call them are what I am considering junk. I don't care how well built they are or how solid if I can't have one or its of no use to me then I consider it junk. Just like in my eyes a ferarri is junk, why? Because I can't drive a car 200mph why buy one even though it looks nice. I have been thinking about this for sometime and am also wondering if you are not violating US patent laws by making these modifications. I don't know much about the patent laws but might be worth looking into. As has been mentioned several times, the government here in the US takes a dim view over items such as your flashlight. The fact you mentioned that my training is bad or crappy is ignorant on your part. We go through extensive training in all the use of force we have available to us. We aren't allowed on the street until we can perform our use of force techniqes in our sleep. As N.A. Crobrier mentioned, a joint strike is out of the question. If you are training people to strike the knees then you my friend better update your curriculum. I understand your foreign but do not come over here and start bashing on our training. As I see it, your a nobody trying to sell a weapon without taking the time to research. It is obvious to me that you did not research US patent laws, or get permission from Maglight to use / modify their product. It is also very clear to me that you did not bother to do market research to determine if your product would be liked here in the US or did you even bother to research the legal aspect of it. Knowing that, I realize that my opinon is squat on here but anyone who will listen to me I will personally tell them to not buy your product or to do business with you. You sound like you got some great ideas in your head, but I think you need to learn how to properly do business in the US. Remember this is my opinion and only my opinion.

[black bear]

Michael Ledgerwood,
Don't you know that when you buy an item and it become your property you can do all the modifications you want?

You never hear of .45 pistols been modified by pistol smiths with extended safeties, beaver tail grip safeties, extended ejectors, modified bushing etc.?

Did you ever see a modified car?

Is there any law that prevents you from selling your property?

Where did you see legislation against crenellated bezels?

As for the training anybody that can not hit blinded men in the knee should get out of this business.

Black bear

[Michael Ledgerwood]

Michael Ledgerwood,
Don't you know that when you buy an item and it become your property you can do all the modifications you want?

You never hear of .45 pistols been modified by pistol smiths with extended safeties, beaver tail grip safeties, extended ejectors, modified bushing etc.?

Did you ever see a modified car?

Is there any law that prevents you from selling your property?

Where did you see legislation against crenellated bezels?

As for the training anybody that can not hit blinded men in the knee should get out of this business.

Black bear

Again blackbear you seem to be missing the point so I will take this step by step for you, try to follow along. When you buy an item you are allowed to modify it within the law. Likewise you are allowed to sell said item. You are not however allowed to market a product as your own by using another companies product. You are infact making a profit off of the Maglight. You are also using a protion of their name Mag951. I am not nor do I claim to be a patent attorney. Maybe I'm wrong but thats not my point. Now legislation against credentialed bezels. Where shall I begin. For starters there is Federal Law, State Statute, Municipal Code all of which may ban items such as yours. Now I will attempt to explain the training to you, though you seem to not have the capacity to understand. You see, here in the USA we have what are called civil rights. These are what we fought the British for. Now, you are sitting there telling me that you will blind a subject and then hit them in the knee. First off you just admitted to commiting a crime. Blinding a subject constitutes self defense. If said subject is blind and you take it a step further and strike said subject you and ONLY YOU will be arrested for the crime of assault 1st degree which is a class A felony in the state of Washington. You will be tried, convicted and sued why? Because you exceeded the amount of force necessary to defend yourself. This would be akin to you shooting someone after you pepper sprayed them. Now I carry actual certification in the use of strike / impact weapons. This includes the ASP baton as well as the PR-24 side handle baton. I am also trained in the use of unarmed defensive tactics as well as joint manipulation. In short, what this means is that I have a diploma sitting on my wall stating that I am a certified reserve police officer in the State of Washington. Your flashlight would be illegal in several places throughout the country. Now, the flashlight itself is great. I personally love the brightness, i own a 2 million candlepower spotlight myself. Adding your so called options are not acceptable in this state or this country. Areas of this country that would accept it would hold the user liable. You seem to be very ignorant and I think may be trying to run a scam. Maglight, Streamlight, and Surefire have all expiermented with defesive flashlights. There is a reason that you only see bezels on smaller polymer flashlight - putting them on anything larger would not be accepted. Likewise, it is complete overkill. You mentioned in a previous post that you train people to strike kneecaps and that a person should not get close enough to get their light taken away. I hate to break this to you but if you are close enough to be striking them then you are close enough for them to take the light away. You may say you have 38 years expierience but I don't buy it one bit. You to me sound like a total fraud. If you tried to tell me to do a knee strike I would laugh in your face then walk out of your class. You forget Blackbear, this is the US, land of the free and lawsuit happy. Do me a favor stop peddling a product that has no use in this coutry. If you want to sell your light then take off the options, otherwise byebye.

[N. A. Corbier]

...As for the training anybody that can not hit blinded men in the knee should get out of this business.

Black bear

That would be 90% of sworn police officers, and 95% of security officers in this country.

It's not that they "can't," its that its considered excessive force by American law.

[black bear]

You seem to be obsessed with trying to bait me into a internet duel with you by ofending me and trying trash my thread

I will not respond to you anymore, as I don't see any profit on educate you on your wrong views.
Stay out of my thread.
bye.

[N. A. Corbier]

You seem to be obsessed with trying to bait me into a internet duel with you by ofending me and trying trash my thread

I will not respond to you anymore, as I don't see any profit on educate you on your wrong views.
Stay out of my thread.
bye.
Which one? :)

I'm simply telling you the truth. In America, if a sworn police officer or a non-sworn security guard kneecaps someone with a flashlight, they had best be in fear for their life, or they're eventually being sued for excessive force.

Our range of target restrictions are nearly identical, we can only aim for muscle groups, nerve clusters, or other soft tissue targets. Hard bone/joint strikes are considered "Level Red," or lethal force, under the Monadnock (PR-24 maker) course, and the ASP course teaches do not strike the joints, and never strike above the shoulders (At the head,) instead transition to firearm and shoot the threat.

I don't know how PCs and SCs in the UK are trained, but in America: If your not in fear for your life from deadly force, you can't hit joints. If you are, you can do anything up to shooting them - pushing them off a tall building - breaking bones - or using your CASCO or Monadnock expandable baton like a baseball bat upside someone's head.

[Michael Ledgerwood]

You seem to be obsessed with trying to bait me into a internet duel with you by ofending me and trying trash my thread

I will not respond to you anymore, as I don't see any profit on educate you on your wrong views.
Stay out of my thread.
bye.

Mr. Blackbear,
First, allow me to educate you in the ways of this website. This is NOT your thread. Once you post a thread any registered member may make a response. Second, I am not obsessed with dueling with you. You have made some very wrong statements and I as well as everyone else have tried to correct you. You may very well have a good product, unfortunately it has no place here in America. Second, I have been offering you my opinions which are just that my opinions. You have not given me any evidence to support you. You posted 3 threads on Officer.com of which I am a memeber, and even on that site you aren't getting responses. What is it going to take for you to realize that you need to make some changes on your product. Allow me to make some suggestions. First, drop the price. Here in the US you can buy a multimillion candlepower spotlight for less that $50.00. No need to charge over $200.00. Second, if you are a legitamate business then post your company name and business license number so people can verify you. Noone will give you over $200.00 when no one knows you. Third, stop getting so defensive when people offer you critisizm (sp?). We are not idiots on this website. We know what we would like to see and what is allowed. Forth, do market research. Talk to police officers and security officers, find out what they want in a flashlight. You will find that most officers will want a combination of brightness, durability, and power. Fifth, make your OWN product. Do not modify an existing product. Modifications are good for testing and what not but when you actually go into production you need to have your own design and your own product. As it stands Mr. Blackbear I tend to stand by my original statements. Based on your attitude and your unwillingness to listen to not only me but others on this board who are telling you that your flashlight / weapon is a liability tends to presuade me to stand by my statements. If you are in fact legite and trying to improve exsisting products then I wish you luck and hope you learn from the people on this board - there are lots of good ideas here. You may think that I am a jerk but I infact have been trying to help you out by telling you what needs to change on your product to make it feasible here. I will not buy a product nor will I endorse one that creates liability for my fellow officers. Understand this Mr. Blackbear there are several jurisdictions in this country that regulate even pepperspray. Now I will not even say in a public forum why I think you are not legite. As I said this is my own opinion and if you care enough to know the reasons then you can PM me and I will be more than happy to tell you in private. With that said, rest asured Mr. Blackbear, I will in no way shape or form endorse or recommend your product. If you listen to me and others and make the changes and do the footwork you might have some happy customers. Keep in mind the goal of a business is to not sell a product that YOU think is want, but to sell a product that the CONSUMER wants. Without the CONSUMER you don't have business.

[black bear]

It seems to me that is what the consumer wants as you can get three different sizes from TAD GEAR (even is one for the L1P)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/tad-tic3_300x300.jpg

Or you can get them from G&P for the Surefire's

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/GPTacticalBezel6P.jpg

Or you can get a TID (tactical Impact device) also for the Surefire's.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/tid.jpg


black bear

[Mr. Security]

Items received. Thank you very much! :)

[1stWatch]

If we attach enough of those to our foreheads, will we turn into Borg?

[N. A. Corbier]

GG&G is a police and military contractor. They also make systems for attaching the Gladius to the accessory rail of an M16 rifle.

You must remember that GG&G's primary market are users, who under federal or state law, can strike someone with a personal or weapon-mounted light and not get thrown into jail for it.

Would I attach a Tactical Impact Device to a Surefire weapon light on my short-barreled M4? Maybe. Would I be justified in striking someone with it? Yes, because I would be defending my life against them, after all, I'm pointing a deadly weapon at them.

The market your referencing is well established and sells primarly to law enforcement agencies and military organizations at the quartermaster level.

They are registered with Dunn and Bradstreet, in the Department of Defense CCR registry, post SIC numbers on all bid proposals, and have GSA contracts.

I believe Michael is right. For the candlepower enthusiast, I can see dropping 200 dollars US on a neat flashlight. But, for the law enforcement, military, or security professional, there are better things to spend that money on.

Black Bear seems to be stuck on lumen output and offensive potential of the bezel. Its perfectly acceptable for a flashlight enthusiast to kitbash together a neat flashlight that optputs an insane amount of lumens.

Look at Blackhawk. Does Blackhawk make flashlights? No. They contract out. But every flashlight carries the Blackhawk name, and you'll be hard pressed to find the real manufacturer (Insight, I believe) on the item. The Gladius, for example. Would you spend $249 USD on an upgraded AA Mini-Mag that puts out an insane amount of lumens and strobes? No, of course not, its a kit bash.

Yet we will drop $279.00 on a Gladius.

[Michael Ledgerwood]

Blackbear, you will notice that one those products are marketed to police and military. You will also notice that the companies (surefire, etc.) make their own product - not modify an existing product to sell for an outragously high price. I don't have issues with you doing whatever it is your doing. My issue is when several of us, myself included, told you that the product is a potential liability you became very defensive. I also suggested to you to stop selling a modified product and to create your own. Again, this prompted a very defensive attitude from you. I am not going to sit here and argue with you. If you are a fraud and using another companies product as your own then you will get caught. If your a legitamite (sp?) business man then I suggest you open your ears (or in this case eyes) and listen to what your "customer" is telling you. If people are telling you your product is bad from a liability standpoint then you should be asking how you could reduce the liability. I will not even mention what I personally think of you blackbear. I will tell you that as long as you keep posting threads on here or Officer.com where you are selling another companies product as your own, I will be discoraging people from buying from you. I am all for people coming up with their own stuff, but selling a 'maglight' as your own product for an outragously inflated price is crazy. You may find that it pisses off the companie(s). Just my thoughts, which I know go ignored by you blackbear.

[black bear]

Modifying a pistol, flashlight or car for better performance and selling the product is completely legal and is done all the time.

What I do is take a regular Maglite 3 D (39 lumens) and exchange some components (and work on it cutting and soldering) to produce a 951 lumens flashlight.

I replace the Maglite reflector and plastic lens with a specially designed parabolic reflector made of heavy walled solid aluminum and Pyrex lens.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/FiveMeCarley.jpg

I modify and replace parts on the stock switch to run the bi-pin super bulb
Here is the stock switch on left and the special holder on right.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/twoholders.jpg

All rechargeable police flashlights use a Ni Cad 6 volts battery for 200 to 250 lumens top.

I use a special battery carrier that takes nine Nimhs high current high capacity batteries for over 12 volts of power for the 45 minutes run time.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/12.jpg

And I charge for the modification the outrageous price of $200 to $260 (depending on which of my three carriers the customer choose)

For that price the customers also chooses from four different reflector finish, smooth, Orange Peel, Light Stippled and Heavy Stippled.

How it compares with others Police torches?
Magcharger 200 lumens
Stinger 220 lumens
Tiger Light 250 lumens

Surefire M-4 (20 minutes run on 4 batteries for 350 lumens)
Surefire M-6 (20 minutes run on 6 batteries for 500 lumens)

MAG 951 II RECHARGEABLE 951 lumens to 1050 lumens depending on battery carrier used.

Those custom parts made in small run are expensive. When the Maglite was launched in '79 it was over $60.00. That now is so inexpensive is a miracle of modern high speed production, anybody that have a Maglite and can disassemble it, can see how much quality and ruggedness is inherent in the design.

Best regards to all
black bear

[Michael Ledgerwood]

Blackbear, you seem to not understand what I am telling you. You can modify anything you want and sell it that is fine. What is not fine is taking the exsisting product, modifying it, and then selling it as your own which is what you are doing. You are taking a Maglight, modifying it then selling it as the Mag951. This is called trademark infringement, and is in violation with the US patent laws. Maglight owns the patent for the shape, style, functionality of their product. Additionally the term Maglight is copyrighted by them. What does this mean to you. It means your flashlight cannot be sold and you are subject to legal action. Your flashlight looks like a maglight, functions like a maglight and is therefore copying not only the maglight product but the maglight brand as well. What you need to understand Mr. Blackbear is that your product as it stands now is ILLEGAL. Also, anyone buying your product may be subject to legal action as well. I sincerely hope that you start listining to me, but if you chose not to well you maybe subject to legal action.

[Mr. Security]

I think he understands what you mean. Nevertheless, merely possessing that flashlight in my state does not subject one to criminal prosecution. I may choose to have one because of the incredible light output of this torch. If I remove the bezel and replace it with a factory issued one, I can also use it at my place of employment.

If I use the modified bezel, then I can only use it for self-defense in my own home if my life is threatened. Each member on this forum must make a personal decision as to what they will do. Your position is clear. Others may share a different viewpoint based on the state and local laws in their area.

[Michael Ledgerwood]

I think he understands what you mean. Nevertheless, merely possessing that flashlight in my state does not subject one to criminal prosecution. I may choose to have one because of the incredible light output of this torch. If I remove the bezel and replace it with a factory issued one, I can also use it at my place of employment.

If I use the modified bezel, then I can only use it for self-defense in my own home if my life is threatened. Each member on this forum must make a personal decision as to what they will do. Your position is clear. Others may share a different viewpoint based on the state and local laws in their area.

I more than agree with you. His selling the light is iffy though but its his problem not mine. I won't buy it for self defense or light output.

[OzPatrol]

In Australia, the modifications to the bevel housing would be unlawful to use in the course of a security officers duties. We are restricted in regards to what size of torch / flashlight we can use here already. I am not sure however, if simple possession of such a light would be classed as illegal in any of the territories.

Take for instance, the regularly old 4 D-Cell Maglite. In Australia, you are required by law in most states to have a Baton Licence in order to carry it or anything above 4 D-Cell, as it is classed as, well, yeah, a baton. Not only must you be licenced, but according to the information I have on hand, the company you work for must ALLOW you to carry it in the performance of your duties and if I understand correctly, must be licenced to carry batons itself.

Granted, I do like the look of the upgraded torches, but I would be very wary of using them in Australia, except for personal use only...and that would mainly be for camping or being out in the bush.

There are restrictions here in Australia in regards use of force which seem to be somewhat similar to those in the US. You are allowed to only use 'reasonable' force. Reasonable force is somewhat open for discussion, as another thread on this site states in regards to the Australian security officer using lethal force upon a subject that assaulted her.

Unlike other security forces in different countries, in Australia, you are limited by what you may carry, not only by law, but by the company you work for as well. The one I work for, you are allowed to carry a torch, but the majority of us use the small Surefire type LED's for inside work, and spotlight torches for, well....spotlighting. :o

I'm sure someone may like to use those for personal use, and hold no grudge against someone doing so, but I would advise caution in using them for professional purposes, unless you are a professional LEO with the ability to use these in the line of duty.

.5 cents spent.

[N. A. Corbier]

That's my look at it. Would I buy one? Maybe. Would I authorize its carry? Hell no, I have enough to deal with without a lawsuit or media exposure over "killer flashlights."

"The ordinary metal flashlight, modified by the company, is now a wicked mace. The bezel attachment is not sold in the US, rather, the company had to import them from England... We asked a local police expert, who said, "The only purpose for that is to injure. We don't use our flashlights as impact weapons, only as flashlights. To put this thing on shows that they were looking to hurt people with those killer flashlights."

[black bear]

In the meanwhile Surefire is selling the L6 Porcupine like hot cakes and at $600.00 a pop.

The body is a gorgeous poem of high class machining, and the crenellated bezel is hard to miss.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/L6Porcupinesmall.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/L6Porcupine043small.jpg

[N. A. Corbier]

That is not a flashlight. That is a mace that happens to project light. :)

WTF is the intended audience for that weapon system?

[Mr. Security]

My concern is that the more flashlight manufacturers produce flashlights that have a menacing appearance, the greater the likelihood that some legislator is going to start regulating the industry. That means the police get the cool flashlights and security will end up with the plastic, safety yellow industrial flashlights. :(

[HotelSecurity]

I can see that happening here in Canada! Already there's no pepper spray, no Tazers etc etc. :(

[N. A. Corbier]

My concern is that the more flashlight manufacturers produce flashlights that have a menacing appearance, the greater the likelihood that some legislator is going to start regulating the industry. That means the police get the cool flashlights and security will end up with the plastic, safety yellow industrial flashlights. :(
You have a point. Look at the assault weapons ban, when it was active. It squarely relied on "features" and "look," not destructive capability.

[Mr. Security]

I can see that happening here in Canada! Already there's no pepper spray, no Tazers etc etc. :(

Canada is, if I understand correctly, much more restrictive when it comes to citizens owning handguns. The same seems to be true in England. I know that some bad guys there have firearms, but it doesn't even come close to the USA.

Until recently, most Bobbies were unarmed, except for a baton. Even in the USA, LEO's could effectively do their jobs with a revolver until the last twenty years or so. They usually carried 18 rounds. Now they must have semiautomatic side arms w/ 15 round clips and they usually carry 3 of those because the bad guys carry similar guns. And even then, the criminals sometimes outgun them.

I believe that Canada and Britain have a murder rate that is considerably lower than the USA because of their gun laws. I am definitely in the minority on this issue, but I believe the facts speak louder than anything I can say.

[HotelSecurity]

I agree that criminals don't follow laws. We have very strict gun laws here in Canada yet people are still killed with guns. However I think most of the killings happen during crimes. It is more likely that someone will get killed in the US by a student bringing his father's gun to school or by a wife by her husband during an arguement than in Canada. I deal a lot with drunks. I have never had to deal with an armed one. This would worry me if I lived in the US.

BTW are assault weapons still legai in the US? I thought they had been banned after that bank robbery in California where the bad guys were armed with AK-47s.

[Mr. Security]

...
BTW are assault weapons still legai in the US? I thought they had been banned after that bank robbery in California where the bad guys were armed with AK-47s.

I believe there is a grandfather clause for those who legally owned them before the law went into effect. In Connecticut, they have to be registered with the DOPS. They still make and sell them here, but they are only semi-automatic. The problem is that it is not difficult to get the parts needed to convert them to fully automatic. Not a good situation. :(

[N. A. Corbier]

The "Assault Weapons" ban sunsetted, and with good reason. Here's the deal about assault weapons.

I have, sitting next to me, an airsoft M4A2. This is the shorter carbine version of the M16, the seminal "Assault Weapon."

Under the old law, if this were a real firearm (I would not have a real M16 sitting next to my computer desk...) it would violate the law because it has three or more of the following elements on it. It can have up to two of them at a time, and not be considered an assault weapon.

1. It has a bayonet lug. This is a device that allows the M9 Bayonet to be attached, and turn the 1,000+ plus weapon into a close quarters weapon. The M9 Bayonet itself is not banned, only the lug is.

2. It has a "pistol grip stock." If you ever wondered why a lot of military looking rifles have a small piece of plastic running from the stock (the part you put your shoulder) to the grip (the part you grip onto), this is why. If the grip is not attached to the stock, its considered an element of an assault weapon.

3. It has a detachable box magazine with more than ten rounds (Hi-Cap Mag) This simply means that the weapon carries more than 10 rounds in it, at a time. The M16/AR15/M4 magazines come in 10, 20, 30, and 100 varieties. By itself, having a high-cap mag was not illegal via the federal ban, but may still be illegal in some states (California).

4. Collapsible Stock. The stock is the "assault" type that collapses, one of the hallmarks of the M4 carbine. This, by itself, is not illegal, but adds to the conditions of an "assault weapon."

I think there's more, but I can't remember if M1913 Weaver Rails are assault weapon modifiers or not.

Here's the thing. The fact that it has these elements, and the weapon looks scary, do nothing to lessen the amount of firepower on the street. By simply removing the bayonet lug, replacing the stock and grip with a "sporter" stock, etc, I have changed the M16 to be a "sporting weapon," yet have not changed the lethality of the weapon.

The AK-47, as well, was purposefully "post-ban" imported with sporting options such as the sporter stock with integrated grip. Here's a news flash, the "sporter stock" was actually from the AK-74 Sniper System. It made it even more accurate. Bayonet lugs were cut off, but who needs to attach a knife to a weapon that can hit the target with a 7.62mm round at 500+ meters?

Then we get into sniper weapons systems, such as the Remington 7xx series of sniper rifles. Match grade weapons, bolt action, extremely long range, extremely accurate. Their lethality is seen every time a police sniper (that uses the Remington platform) takes a critical shot to end an encounter.

The famed Barrett M82 .50 caliber sniper rifle, as well, is extremely accurate and extremely powerful.

You can buy the Remington in "Match Grade" at your local Wal-Mart. Your local gun shop will probably have an M82 they can order, unless your state banned .50 caliber rounds, then they can order you the .478 Barrett version which isn't banned.

If your going to ban guns, ban guns. Don't play the "this gun looks bad" game. Its silly, and it does nothing to stop the lethality of weapons.

Something else most folks don't know:

If you can pass a criminal background check, get your "chief law enforcement officer" to sign an ATF form attesting that you passed it, you can own a fully automatic weapon, a short barreled rifle or shotgun, or any other ATF restricted weapon. Why? Because they're restricted via a "ATF Tax." The weapon is contraband if the tax hasn't been paid. Most state laws preventing the ownership of "machine guns" and other such things contain a clause that states, "unless the owner is authorized by the laws of the United States to possess such automatic/short barreled/suppressed weapon."

[black bear]

CLIPSE HAS DONE A REVIEW OF THE BOREALIS 1050 LUMENS FLASHLIGHT (ex 951)

HERE IS THE LINK

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220352

He even tell you how to build a fire with one.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/blackbear11784/borealis_html_4d158c2e.jpg

Best regards
black bear

[SecureTN]

I carry a AA Maglite, and a 3? cell Maglite... They work fine for me. All these fancy lights look cool, but why exactly do i need to start a fire with a flashlight? That's why we have Lighters and Matches...Right?

[Mr. Security]

I found out about heat the hard way when I tried to place a cap over my Streamlight to protect the lens while carrying it in an open holster. I took a plastic spice bottle cap that was the same diameter as the torch, drilled an 1/8 " hole in the cap for ventilation and accidental activation. Even though the light switch is recessed, I inadvertently sat in a chair that kept the momentary on/off switch on for some time. The heat ended up distorting the cap, and may have started burning if I had remained seating. That's called the "hot" seat. :eek:

[Mall Director]

I found out about heat the hard way when I tried to place a cap over my Streamlight to protect the lens while carrying it in an open holster. I took a plastic spice bottle cap that was the same diameter as the torch, drilled an 1/8 " hole in the cap for ventilation and accidental activation. Even though the light switch is recessed, I inadvertently sat in a chair that kept the momentary on/off switch on for some time. The heat ended up distorting the cap, and may have started burning if I had remained seating. That's called the "hot" seat. :eek:

Umm, Wow.. I need to catch up on the latest light technology! LOL! This is getting scary!

What is the going price on one of those electric candles?

[S/O245]

Yes you are correct they are more restrictive. And you even said your self that security officers are restricted from having defense weapons of some kinds. Yet you talk to any violent criminal and they will tell you they do not fear the un armed person. Most of them will tell you they fear the armed victim. The thing is the violent criminal will use any and all weapons if they plan to harm or kill. And no one is going to stop them. Once they have it in his/her mind then they attack. The on,y chance a person has is defense or luck or both. In the Uniteds States a firearm is used over 2 million times to stop attacks. Yet most of those dont even have to use it. You ask why ? Because example trash bag comes up with a knife to try and attack a woman say in her home. She pulls out a handgun he goes oh no she aint an easy target and tucks tail and runs for the hills. Again most dont even have to use the weapon simply brandishing it stops the attack.

As for it being safer I dunno. From the area im from its a small city in ohio and across state lines into Indiana is small cities towns etc. They havent had a murder in that area in over 10 or more yrs. Yet someone had just graduated and got his high school GED. his parents sent him on a trip to england. He never came back. His throat was slashed by a thug. I read that your twice as lickely to be in a violent mugging on the streets there than you are here. Also during a debate NRA Vice President Wayne Lappiere showed many news paper stories that were writen by law enforcement officers in that country which said violent crime was up compared to the country's size. Our crime has droped to what is it a 30 yr low ? The City i was a police explorer with is much safer now than back in the 80's and before.

My feeling is when you restrict the good people to nothing thats what they have nothing. But the bad guys have everything. When you have that good people lose. Look at the airlines. They have a heck of alot of restrictions on people having anything for self defense. And on 9/11 they attacked america because of box cutter knifes. You can get them things for prolly what 3.00 at some places. Again i come back to more restrictions more trouble.

And dont think that police/military can protect you. Look at 9/11 when people called 9/11 they got a recorded msg. Sorry we cant take your call at this time due to the emergency in lower manhatten. People who called 9/11 couldnt get anyone. So who is going to protect you ? Answer you better protect you, because no one else may be avail to come.

Hurricane Katrina. They had lists of people who had called 911 five days before. Do you have 5 days to wait because no one was avail because of the emergency going on ? The men & women are our protectors i 110 % agree with that. But they can be everyplace at once. That is why our fathers had the 2nd amendment for good people. Because in such times like that no one is coming. Your it. And in my personal opinion: i dont feel that people should leave things up to others. Meaning you cant always expect others to help you.

When my grandfather lived in KY the county had 1 sheriff 3 deputies. They had times if you made a call you may have to wait an hr. People in KY handled defense them selfs. They had to. And I can tell you i would rather live in KY or IN anyday than my state of ohio. I know of many areas of both states that have much lower crime. Because they have better self defense laws i think for one.

And as you say facts speak louder than words one of your own very top Canada leo's came out that he is against restrictions against good people because its causing the violent crime rate to go up. Dont listen to the politicans. Why listen to them ? Are they working the streets ? Heck no. What do they know about that stuff ? Nothing unless they have done it or have some type of research in it that is good research and not junk. If people in government are so on it against violent crime why do they see to it that violent offenders are back on the streets ? Does that make sense to you. It dosent to me. When people in politics see to it that a repated offender is back on the streets they dont have to ask why the attacked again or killed.

im not at all saying you wrong or right on anything. Everyone has his.her opinion and i value everyones :)

STay Safe Everyone :)


Canada is, if I understand correctly, much more restrictive when it comes to citizens owning handguns. The same seems to be true in England. I know that some bad guys there have firearms, but it doesn't even come close to the USA.

Until recently, most Bobbies were unarmed, except for a baton. Even in the USA, LEO's could effectively do their jobs with a revolver until the last twenty years or so. They usually carried 18 rounds. Now they must have semiautomatic side arms w/ 15 round clips and they usually carry 3 of those because the bad guys carry similar guns. And even then, the criminals sometimes outgun them.

I believe that Canada and Britain have a murder rate that is considerably lower than the USA because of their gun laws. I am definitely in the minority on this issue, but I believe the facts speak louder than anything I can say.

[S/O245]

As far as school shooting from everything i have heard of study and research school shootings have droped over the yrs. Stuff happens. Many students bring knifes to school. What about knife attacks ? Check into that.

As far as most killings happening during a crime yes and killing is a crime lol. Most killings newsflash is dope related. Thats right drop heads killing dope heads. Look at Cincinnati the lead medical investigator said more than 90 % of the homicides in cincinnati are drug related. And its true. I have seen many murder victims in cincinnati with his./her pic put on the news guess what the pic was a mug shot. They were reppeat criminals. Most people in the united states will never face an armed attack. But it stills happens. I have a CCW permit and carry off duty. But i will probably never face a incident. I hope i never do. I train and prepare for it. But help it never comes. If our country was so bad than why do people everyday try and get in the illegal way. Because its not bad. The city i grew up in has never had a murder in way over 10 yrs.

As far as dope related murders. Canada has stated that the drugs are out of control in canada. I have a friend from canada she is not an officer or anything like that she is a civilian. She seen a man stabbed in day light in canada. I have many friends that arent officers in the united states and none of them have seen this sort of thing.

As far as dealing with drunks etc. Since i started as a explorer in 1998 and later i have never delt with a armed one yet. Again but that is a rule of officer survival just because it aint happend yet dont mean it wont. Dont be caught off guard. Search the same building because of an alarm ? Never find anyone. Dont get into "oh its just another false alarm. Because inside may be a gang of terrorists or just one. yes i call them terrorists, violent criminals are because they terrorize the innocent. I dont like people who terrorize good people. Why do you think they go after elderly they think they cant defend them self.

Stay Safe Everyone :)


I agree that criminals don't follow laws. We have very strict gun laws here in Canada yet people are still killed with guns. However I think most of the killings happen during crimes. It is more likely that someone will get killed in the US by a student bringing his father's gun to school or by a wife by her husband during an arguement than in Canada. I deal a lot with drunks. I have never had to deal with an armed one. This would worry me if I lived in the US.

BTW are assault weapons still legai in the US? I thought they had been banned after that bank robbery in California where the bad guys were armed with AK-47s.

[rentacop]

Looks like Blackbear should have listened to Michael Ledgerwood in the first time.

This from the web site he advertises his product on:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2053689&postcount=56

HI GUYS,

YES, it have been a name change, my light is called now the BOREALIS.

MAG Instruments (the owners of Maglite) has asked me to remove the name MAG from my light add
It seems that it is a registered trademark.

I am compliying with their request and calling my light BOREALIS.

Thank you
black bear

I do think this is a remarkable product. The power of the light and craftsmenship of the modifications looks fantastic. I do also agree with Michael on every aspect however. It is against the law to sell this product as his own. I'm confident that if Maglite really wanted to they could sue for a lot of money because he is modifying the flashlight that Maglite made and calling it his own.

[Mr. Security]

Looks like Blackbear should have listened to Michael Ledgerwood in the first time.

This from the web site he advertises his product on:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2053689&postcount=56


I do think this is a remarkable product. The power of the light and craftsmenship of the modifications looks fantastic. I do also agree with Michael on every aspect however. It is against the law to sell this product as his own. I'm confident that if Maglite really wanted to they could sue for a lot of money because he is modifying the flashlight that Maglite made and calling it his own.

Assets would need to be sufficient to justify it. Also, as long as he complies with Mag-Lite's stipulations, both parties will consider the matter resolved.