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SecTrainer
05-31-2008, 10:22 PM
Apparently, they're now equipping billboards with cameras in order to study who looks at them and for how long. In other words, billboards that look back at you (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/31/business/media/31billboard.html?_r=2&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin). Some day, the billboard might analyze your gender, approximate age, and perhaps even your ethnicity and "present you with a customized message". Yippee. I'm old, your system tells you, so I would undoubtedly be interested in a special deal on Depends.

The developers claim they're not storing or distributing any personal data, and perhaps that's true - for the moment.

One problem with this technology, as with some others, is not "what it does or can do today", or "what we do with the information today", but "what it will be able to do tomorrow", and "what we will be tempted to do with the information tomorrow". Facial imaging tied to facial recognition tied to....

This is the biggest problem that exists with all surveillance and "information gathering" systems, namely the opportunity they create for the convergence of data gathered by disparate systems to create information super-databases that are much more powerful and intrusive collectively than the information gathered separately could ever be.

For instance, an ad agency placing a digital ad display for Budweiser outside a grocery store could arrange to merge their visual information about viewers with personal information about them that the store collects. Suddenly, the "anonymous" viewer who spent 30 seconds looking at an ad for Budweiser outside the store now has a name, an address and probably a credit card number. And, the store has his facial record, as well as some indication of his interest in Budweiser.

And this is a very weak example of the multiplying effects of information convergence. Put the information gathered by a bank together with information gathered by a gas station CCTV camera together with facial information gathered by a digital ad display together with travel information gathered by a travel agency with browsing information gathered by your ISP....well, you get the point I'm sure.

So, in the year 2010 or so, our Budweiser digital ad viewer suddenly notices that there seem to be a lot of commercials for Budweiser, Wells Fargo bank, Chevron and Caribbean cruises on his cable TV, and a lot of banner ads for these companies on the Web sites he visits, too. He has no idea how or why this "coincidence" might have happened.

Many who gather information protest that the information they gather is anonymous. The problem is, it is becoming too easy, by means of convergence, for "anonymous" information to be melded with information collected by someone else that does contain identifying information. And the monetization capability - read, the $$$ that I can get - for merging my data with yours is so great that it's a rare bird who would be able to resist the temptation. I might get $1 every time one of the 100,000 faces in my database is viewed by someone in your database. We're not talking $millions for superlarge databases with high levels of access...we're talking $billions, paid "view-by-view" by Coke, by Budweiser, by Hilton, by Chevron, by Travelocity, by....

Now, let's take this a step further and consider that information that can be collated in this way can also be legally "discovered" in a civil lawsuit and searched under court order by governmental agencies, and now the full extent of the problem begins to emerge. This is a very slippery slope, but it's much too late for society to recover from this slide, and the commercial interest in these super-databases is far too great to overcome.

CameraMan
05-31-2008, 11:44 PM
Except that anyone gathering this kind of information will soon be overloaded with mountains and mountains of data. It's like CCTV is England now, so much data that unless there's a terror attack they can never possibly hope to assign the amount of eyeballs needed to sift through all that data.

Bill Warnock
06-01-2008, 12:20 PM
Some retail grocery stores, discount houses and those offering "bonus cards" along with credit card companies carefully track buying habits of customers. The Air Force installed cameras in selected squadron bulletin boards to gauge how best to attract attention of those looking at the board to determine the most effective way of posting information.
If my facts are correct, DOD did the same thing on behalf of service recruiting commands with dramatic affect.
Enjoy the day,
Bill

bpdblue
06-01-2008, 08:52 PM
No matter what the use of such technology, all this means is commercial "big brother" is also watching us, as governmental big brother already does, and it bugs the hell out of me just that much more. :eek:

darkenna
06-02-2008, 09:25 PM
Now... take those same questions, and apply them to technology that is already nearly omni-present, and becoming more so daily, like RFID.

SecTrainer
06-03-2008, 03:31 AM
Some retail grocery stores, discount houses and those offering "bonus cards" along with credit card companies carefully track buying habits of customers. The Air Force installed cameras in selected squadron bulletin boards to gauge how best to attract attention of those looking at the board to determine the most effective way of posting information.
If my facts are correct, DOD did the same thing on behalf of service recruiting commands with dramatic affect.
Enjoy the day,
Bill

Yeah, and it's always done to "benefit us". They collect my buying habits on Amazon so they can "serve me better". They just stop short of buying books for me, and I wonder when they'll start doing that.

Soon, I'll be afraid to open my mouth in public in case some well-meaning robot crams a sandwich down my throat (after automatically charging my credit card). But I won't complain, nosir! After all, it will be my preferred sandwich, no doubt followed by my favorite beer, pumped through a tube jammed down my gullet. Then it'll tip me upside down, exhaust a couple of farts by way of a second tube (using a different route), stand me up, brush the crumbs off my lips and shoot me out the door on a conveyor belt, carefully recording that another satisfied customer was served his favorite meal in just under 19.6 seconds.

Meanwhile, analysis of the collected rectal gaseous efluvia (farts, to most of us ignoramuses) reveals that I had eggs and bacon for breakfast. This is confirmed by wireless communication with my refrigerator robot, and then my stove robot pipes up to report that I like my eggs scrambled....and another bit of information is added to the database, while my medicine cabinet robot tattles to the pharmacy robot that I'm months behind on taking my vitamins but years ahead on my Viagra. Later that day, my laundry robot, which has been malfunctioning, vomits up an email misdirected to my boss, advising her that it's high time she changed her shorts. And the satellites silently monitor everything...but hey! It's all for MY BENEFIT, and if I don't kick up a fuss the Big Robot might transport me to heaven when my circuit boards go blooey. Hallelujiah.

integrator97
06-04-2008, 03:17 PM
Cash. And tradin chickens. Much harder to trace. :rolleyes: