In-house armed security staff.

[bvinton]

I'm trying to find the laws, rules and/or regulations that govern the employment of in-house armed security staff by a bank in Florida. Several calls to several state agencies and numerous web searches have been fruitless. I'm familiar with FS 493 but that applies mainly to companies that offer security services to others, I'm primarily interested in the requirements for a bank to hire its own armed staff. Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you!

Brad

"No plan ever survives first contact with the enemy!"

[Curtis Baillie]

I'm not aware of any laws, rules, or regulations. They just need to be willing to take sole responsibility for their actions and liability.

[mad_malk]

If the are armed and they get paid to be armed then they are still under 493 required to have G license. I believe they may need a "D" as well but not sure on that.

[bvinton]

I'd require that they attain and maintain "D" and "G" certifications among other minimum requirements so that's a given. I'm just not sure what, if any other, laws and regulations exist to govern in-house staff. From a liability standpoint, our policies and procedures would have to pass muster also....

[mad_malk]

First it is a license not a certification theres a big difference. I do know most In house security departments still obtain a Florida B security agency license for liability purposes. But it is not required by the state.

[secguy]

I'm trying to find the laws, rules and/or regulations that govern the employment of in-house armed security staff by a bank in Florida. Several calls to several state agencies and numerous web searches have been fruitless. I'm familiar with FS 493 but that applies mainly to companies that offer security services to others, I'm primarily interested in the requirements for a bank to hire its own armed staff. Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you!

Brad

"No plan ever survives first contact with the enemy!"

I too was considering the possibility of armed/unarmed work with a bank.
With all the local robberies here I thought it could lead to some work.
I even started to track the banks that were being robbed the most figuring
they probably would be the ones that would hire.

If your interested I can e-mail the banks that have been robbed the most in the Bradenton area.

There is a security company in Tampa that has armed detail work in the Ellenton area. I can share that as well.

Good luck with your search.

[mjw064]

why would a bank need armed security anyway?

[secguy]

why would a bank need armed security anyway?

I'm thinking that because the funds of most banking institutions are covered by insurance in the invent of a robbery they might want to protect their people?

If the bad guy(s) come heavily armed even an armed guard would probably
be unable to cope.

If a security guard was posted on the exterior of a Florida institution on a hot summers day saw a person(s) that were entering the bank wearing a hooded
sweat shirt and sunglasses he might could alert the staff?

[mjw064]

why not just arm the tellers?

[secguy]

why not just arm the tellers?

Interesting idea.........

Why not have a SO work as a "dummy" teller?

[CameraMan]

why not just arm the tellers?

Yeah, that'll fly. I can just see the employment ad now.


Wanted, tellers. Bank in S. Florida needs bright, enthusiastic, self motivated people for financial services position. Promotion opportunities available. Must supply own weapon, ammo. EOE.

[mjw064]

Why not just arm all the bank employees?

AL EL Airlines (the Isreali Airline) arms all its staff members aboard flights. The result is the terrorists are scared as hell to even try anything against AL EL.

Why not make the bad guys scared as hell to even enter the bank?

Maybe also install a 50mm Turret on the bank manager's desk?

[CameraMan]

Why not stop there? Why not execute anyone attempting to enter the bank? I bet that would encourage the use of online banking.

El Al employees may be armed, but El Al employees are trained to use force. Not to mention the fact that, due to (almost) universal conscription, all El Al employees have 4 years of military experience (El Al was a government owned enterprise until 1997, and even today the State owns a 13% share of the company, and you can't work for a government enterprise in israel without active-duty military experience).

So we can either train all bank tellers in use of force, which will be expensive, or we can just require them to all be armed at all times, which will be expensive in lawsuits and death benefits.

Or you're making an elaborate joke and I didn't get it, in which case I need to tell you to tune your Subtelty setting a little lower.

[HotelSecurity]

Grr, I've brought this up before. Down there in the US where everyone has the right to bare arms why have police & security? :p

[CameraMan]

Grr, I've brought this up before. Down there in the US where everyone has the right to bare arms why have police & security? :p

Not everybody has the right to bear arms, taht's why. At least, many municipalities and local governments make you jump through hoops to be allowed to purchase firearms legally, and nearly everyplace restricts your ability to legally carry firearms in public and semi private places.

Criminals, of course, are not bound by these restrictions, because criminals don't feel the need to follow the laws that restrict the law abiding citizen. Criminals, by definition, don't listen to the law. That's a big part of what makes them criminals. If theives, for example, started following the law, we couldn't call them thieves anymore. They'd have to be called mortgage brokers or stock traders or something similiar.

It's strange, I know, but that's how it is.

[Curtis Baillie]

Grr, I've brought this up before. Down there in the US where everyone has the right to bare arms why have police & security? :pI think it has something to do with the oppressive English and something called the Revolutionary War. I think everyone should have the right to 'bare' arms. :)

[Jedi]

I think it has something to do with the oppressive English and something called the Revolutionary War. I think everyone should have the right to 'bare' arms. :)

I just received my bear arm in the mail yesterday. It's great to be an American!

[HotelSecurity]

Not everybody has the right to bear arms, taht's why. At least, many municipalities and local governments make you jump through hoops to be allowed to purchase firearms legally, and nearly everyplace restricts your ability to legally carry firearms in public and semi private places.

Criminals, of course, are not bound by these restrictions, because criminals don't feel the need to follow the laws that restrict the law abiding citizen. Criminals, by definition, don't listen to the law. That's a big part of what makes them criminals. If theives, for example, started following the law, we couldn't call them thieves anymore. They'd have to be called mortgage brokers or stock traders or something similiar.

It's strange, I know, but that's how it is.

So maybe just the places where you are allowed to have guns with no restrictions should get rid of their police? :p

[CameraMan]

That's interesting, because places where you are allowed to carry a gun with few restrictions have a lower crime rate. So while those places still need their police, they need less police.

An armed society is a polite society.

[bvinton]

Why have armed security staff? As a deterent to those who aren't fully commited to pulling off a bank robbery. Those who have any doubts will usually find a softer target. That's not to say that there haven't been any idiots who went ahead with a crime even though there we police officers right there. You just can't fix stupid. But, those who are fully committed will go thru with the crime regardless of whether there is a deterent there or not.

Okay, that's not the real reason. The real reason is that in the event of a crisis, such as immediately after a hurricane, getting outsourced security is nearly impossible. Yes, you have a signed contract that states that company XYZ guarantees that they will have the staff, but when push comes to shove all you really have is a signed piece of paper that will work in a pinch when the TP runs out. I can't say that I will be able to completely rely on having my in-house staff show up but it would increase the odds of having someone.

[tanko]

In response to arming the staff of a bank, I know that some banks require their employees to have or be able to obtain a concealed handgun license before applying. I remember seeing an ad in my local newspaper with that requirement. Come to find out that a girl I was dating, her older sister (who I dated in the past), got a job counting money on Sundays. Apparently everyone had to carry a pistol, and there were shotguns at the ready.

I inquired about this with Oregon DPSST, because no one was an licensed armed security professional. The answer I got was basically, "Since the employees main job is to count money, they don't need to be licensed. They are armed for self protection and not for providing security services."

[darkenna]

Grr, I've brought this up before. Down there in the US where everyone has the right to bare arms why have police & security? :p

Because if it were not for my right to bare arms, my forearms would be as pasty white as the rest of me. :cool:

[gcmc security part 2]

Armed Officers in FL are required to have a class D and Class G license. It doesn't matter if it is in house or contract.

If the officer is a paid employee of the bank, then no agency license is required.